The KOBE vs JORDAN Debate

[KRS-One]

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@footlose - mao lagi.. blinded by the love sila.. hehe.. i mean i love kobe, defend jud ko niya sukad sauna, their style of play is similar man gud that's why people compare them, even the way they talk!.. but in terms of accomplishments.. hahays.. kobe has a long way to go pajud..

put it this way, kobe arguably is the best today and even did some things jordan never did(12 3-pointers,50 pts. in 4 straight games, 40 in 9 straight games)... but to be the greatest ever like you mentioned LAYO pajud kaayo.. he needs more CREDIBLE accomplishments, such as DPOY,nba finals mvp or even another scoring title lang, and ofcourse preferably the ultimate prize, championship!

Jordan always managed to silence all his critics.. kato last year sa finals statement na unta toh ni kobe, instead he faltered. sakit toh, but it was a lesson learned.. evidently in the first 5 games this season it made the lakers tougher jud..agree? blessing in disguise maybe..

but i'm feeling good about kobe's chances for back to back mvps this season especially the way the lakers are playing under his leadership! that should add to his already great resume.

[grovestreet]

ang resulta sa polls tungod na ani. I think Jordan became the first basketball player to become a global household name.

Michael Jordan had such a big impact on basketball financially and economically. In the early 80's, the league was in recession and basketball wasn't that big. When Michael Jordan came around, the league and its sponsors (Nike, Gatorade, etc), took a great player in Michael Jordan and turned him into an icon. Michael was a master of controlling his image, and appealing to the people. This is something Kobe has not managed to do. Jordan could do no wrong with fans, and possessed an almost saint-like status. It is this nostalgia and this image of Jordan that fans have come to love. This is why they cannot accept that Kobe Bryant is better than Michael Jordan. By better, I don't mean statistically. Jordan will always have better numbers, averages, and accolades than Kobe. Period. But skill-wise and ability-wise, Kobe has surpassed him in this tougher era of basketball.

[kamikaze426]

kobe has surpassed jordan?

[cornroll]

Kobe is not in the same league with Jordan..

Jordan is way way better than Kobe and Kobe will never surpass Jordan's accomplishments.

[jutai]

di man sad imposible ma hitabo. But daghan pa jud kaayo siya ug agi-an para ma labwan niya si MJ. Grabe ang record ni MJ. His known for winning shots...

[jiggy101]

Kobe will never be MJ and MJ will never be Kobe. But, the fact that we are having this conversation is a testament of Kobe's greatness, albeit unfinishied.


jiggy101
jiggycerna@yahoo.com

[lanch]

kobe has not proven anything yet...
it is like comparing wilt and russell
yes wilt wins the offense but bill russell has 11 rings and has always led his team to the promise land... same as mj
kobe has not led the lakers to the promise land yet the 3 rings that he has... was because of a giant named shaq...

[jutai]

posible bro,grabe paman kaayo ang threat ni Shaq ato na time pag champion nila.

[sadahkingjam]

ang resulta sa polls tungod na ani. I think Jordan became the first basketball player to become a global household name.

Michael Jordan had such a big impact on basketball financially and economically. In the early 80's, the league was in recession and basketball wasn't that big. When Michael Jordan came around, the league and its sponsors (Nike, Gatorade, etc), took a great player in Michael Jordan and turned him into an icon. Michael was a master of controlling his image, and appealing to the people. This is something Kobe has not managed to do. Jordan could do no wrong with fans, and possessed an almost saint-like status. It is this nostalgia and this image of Jordan that fans have come to love. This is why they cannot accept that Kobe Bryant is better than Michael Jordan. By better, I don't mean statistically. Jordan will always have better numbers, averages, and accolades than Kobe. Period. But skill-wise and ability-wise, Kobe has surpassed him in this tougher era of basketball.

then nagpasabot diay ni na ang ni vote ni MJ walay knowledge sa basketball lol....

sa ako pud no, if kobe is better than MJ I would vote for kobe. but as of now perti pa gyud niyang layoa..

dili ma question na siya ang pinakamaayo karon na player, but being the greatest impossible pa kaayo...

then nagpasabot pud ni imo post na weak ang Detroit Pistons, Weak ang New York Knicks, Weak ang Boston Celtics..... hahahaha ka weak. oy

ayaw pud kalimot sa Indiana Weak pud... Dale Davis og Antonio Davis plus Rick Smits. gagmay ra kaayo nya weak pa gyud hahahaha


BASIN SA PANAHON RA KA NI KOBE NAGTAN AW OG NBA.... tan aw pud og NBA Classics haron naa pud ka idea sa panahon ni MJ.

were: read this mga BAG - ONG TUBO HARON KASABOT MO

The Style
Go watch ESPN Classic some time, or even NBA TV, and check out some old NBA games. In between the run-and-gun years of the 70s and 80s, and the similar hustle-and-flow flavor of today's game, there was the 90s.

Seriously, try and find the time to watch this stuff. Granted, I'm sure your recollection serves just fine in general, but you would be surprised how the details resurface in a different light now, contrasted against the way the game is played today.

Watch closely. Reggie Miller gets bumped and grabbed one too many times going around screens back in his old Pacers days; you almost find yourself yelling "foul" at the TV, already reconditioned to the touchy feely standard of officiating games these days. MJ gets cracked an elbow in the ribs, once, twice, three times, at the top of the key by his defender. "Damn," you find yourself muttering under your breath, "isn't that a foul?" Today, yes. Back when they played real ball, no.

Hand checks were frequent, and not only accepted, but encouraged. And if your quickness, handles, and upper body strength could keep you on balance and on course enough to manage a drive down the lane or towards the baseline, there would be seven feet and two hundred and seventy pounds of pain waiting for you at the rim in the form of an opposing big man. No touch fouls here. If you went up, you were going to get hammered. And this was in the days when contact around the rim wasn't considered an automatic trip to the free-line, just the usual routine drive, bang, and bucket of the NBA in the 90s.

If you wanted to score, you had to earn it - the hard way.

And that was just the guards, playing down low was a battle on an entirely different scale. The big men in the 90s may have been the best group of post players, league wide, that the NBA had seen since the days when Wilt Chamberlain and Bill Russell battled it out. Hakeem Olajuwon, David Robinson, Patrick Ewing, Alonzo Mourning, Shaquille O'Neal, Dikembe Mutombo. There won't be that many truly great centers in the NBA for the next twenty years, much less all in the same decade.

The 90s were the time when big men were real big men, warriors, giant forces of intimidation and dominance - they were colossal, not merely in stature but results. There were no Barbie Doll Princess, "please don't touch me," big men like Dirk Nowitzki in the 90s, there couldn't be. Mark my words, players like Dirk Nowitzki couldn't even survive in that era. (Technically Dirk did play half a season in the '98-'99 lockout campaign, in which he sucked, thereby proving my case.)

Big men pounded and battled for position in the lane like sumo wrestlers contend for space in a circle that's too damn small, pushing, shoving, elbowing, treating every inch of painted real estate like it was priceless. Today, if you get hit down low you instantly get put on the line. Back in the day? There was no 'if' involved, you were going to get hit, and unless you got the living @!$%# smacked out of you and hit the hardwood, you probably weren't getting a call.

So what does all this mean? Why does it matter? And most importantly, why does it make the 90s better than any other NBA era? Because players were tougher, both mentally and physically, then they are now. There was a style of physicality that has been deliberately removed by the league in favor of a softer, gentler, more offensive driven league, all because the networks and David Stern believe high scoring, no defense, basketball is the only thing that can get ratings. The 90s weren't just the era of Jordan, or the era of some of the best big men ever, it was the era of the badass.

dapa o ta aw sa video kung unsa ka lisod pag 90's YouTube - Michael Jordan vs 90's defenses, the breakdown Vol 1 Part 1



Larry Brown in an interview said:

"The league wants that. You can’t guard anybody anymore, If Michael (Jordan) played today he’d average 60 a game, as much as they call fouls on the perimeter. You’ve got to have people that can keep guards in front of them without fouling. It’s unbelievably important now. And now you need guys that can penetrate and play pick-and-roll and get people involved."

MJ was also the better defender of the 2 YouTube - michael jordan defense


And remember MJ also played in 2001 - 2002 were the zone defense was implemented that the thread starter said was tough. lol tsk tsk tsk

pila ave. ni MJ ? 20 ppg pila iya age - 40... the question here what if MJ was in his prime pila kaha iya ma score/ave in todays league? tubag!!!!!!!!!

[weezur]

wa tingale nag utilize zone ang Raptors katong naka 81 si Kobe. still mas rougher/physical ang duwa sa days ni prime days ni MJ.

nya maka play ug mind tricks sa iya opponents, mayo mo demoralize tingale. he's the reason wa naka ring sila Stockton ug Mailman.