RELIGION....(part 2)

[dacs]

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I read the articles and find them amusing... according to the 1st article you posted, anyone who does good, even though he worships another God(s) i.e. Socrates (who was used in the article as an example) still goes to Heaven, Roman Catholic version?

You should have read the whole article. Â*In Hebrews 10:16, it says that the laws of God are written in the hearts of men and not just of Christians. Â*Romans 2:13-16 ("For it is not those who hear the law who are just in the sight of God; rather, those who observe the law will be justified. For when the Gentiles who do not have the law by nature observe the prescriptions of the law, they are a law for themselves even though they do not have the law. They show that the demands of the law are written in their hearts, while their conscience also bears witness and their conflicting thoughts accuse or even defend them on the day when, according to my gospel, God will judge people's hidden works through Christ Jesus.") states that their individual conscience will defend or accuse them in the day of judgement according to their response since the laws of God is imprinted in their hearts to be their guide. Â*They surely can differentiate right from wrong. Â*By following his properly formed conscience and heart, Socrates becomes a member of the Church substantially but not formally. Â*Let me quote a portion of that text:

He could not know the Church. So he was saved, not by his false religious beliefs but in spite of them. He was saved by faith, and similarly protestants and others who do not formally join the Church today are saved not as members of e. g. , the Baptist church, which some seem to think is an integral part of the one Church of Christ -- no, they are saved as individuals, who make use of the means of sanctification they are able to find even outside the visible confines of the Catholic Church.

What about the commandment that "though shall have no other Gods..."? Ok ra diay to break the commandments AND the teachings of the Catholic Church as long as you do good? So when someone who devoutly prayed to Zeus/Buddha/Vishnu/Mithra/etc. dies, he meets Jesus? Wouldn't he die again of shock? (Who are YOU?!!! I want Buddha!)

All those people who lived and died before Christ was incarnated and actually proclaimed the Kingdom - at least, to you - would all have gone to hell. Â*They have not heard of Christ nor knew of the God Christ proclaimed. Â*Okay, let us exempt the Jews on that. Â*So, how many are condemned to hell because they had not known of Christ?

The Catholic Church teaches (as she had always taught) that those who fit the description in Romans 2:13-16 would be dealth justly in the day of judgement. Â*Additionally, such a belief will not fit the mindset of a Protestant.

As for the second article... it was very long and I just skimmed thorugh it since most of it didn't seem to pertain to my previous question. But it does clearly state:

Three conditions are requisite for a man to be a member of the Church.

Â* 1. In the first place, he must profess the true Faith, and have received the Sacrament of Baptism.

Just from that first condition... wouldn't that exclude everyone who hadn't had baptism?

Again, if you have just read through the whole article, probably you would understand. Â*Probably ...

As to your quoted text, it pertains to a formal member of the Church --- those who already know Christ and have accepted the truth of His gospel. Â*Baptism is a necessary part of the formal membership into the Church founded by Christ.

[dacs]

people should respect each others' beliefs di ba para walang away.

Yehey! At least, we have a pacifist here.

Respecting another person's beliefs does not exclude discussing the cohesion and logic of such beliefs. As much as I don't like it when people attack the Catholic faith, I praise God for giving me an opportunity to right what is wrong and to enlighten and strengthen those whose hearts are troubled. This I do in Jesus' name.

[tolstoi]

amen bro dacs

[soulshocked]

Just curious... so what happened to all the good Buddhists, Taoists, Moslems, Jews, Zoroastrians, Protestants, and all the members of all other religions past and present who have died after having done "good works" in their lifetime? They all went to hell?

And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works. And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works. Revelation 20:12-13

[soulshocked]

Sacraments?

No such thing. Only two ordinances, 1. Baptism (immersion) 2. Lord's Supper (Believer)

[mannyamador]

Sacraments? No such thing. Only two ordinances, 1. Baptism (immersion) 2. Lord's Supper (Believer)

And on who's authority do you base that claim?

[iloveyou4ever]

Sacraments?

No such thing. Only two ordinances, 1. Baptism (immersion) 2. Lord's Supper (Believer)

where did you get these information? From Erap Estrada?

[iamdede]

Sacraments?

No such thing. Only two ordinances, 1. Baptism (immersion) 2. Lord's Supper (Believer)

where did you get these information? From Erap Estrada?

hahaha.. ataya anang gkan ni erap uy.. ayaw jud mo tuo ana do..
hahaha

[soulshocked]

Just now. From what source? And you claim to believe on the Bible. The Bible is the final authority. And where did you get the sacraments? Margaret Thatcher? Mock! Poor souls.

[mosimos]

Ow come on. We know that Jesus did not make salvation dependent upon the ability to read or to own a Bible. Jesus did not command his apostles "Go and write down everything I have said so that people can read it." Rather Jesus say "Go and preach, go and teach."

With the proetestan churches it is the Bible as interpreted by each individual according to his own understanding of what he says. There is an old saw to the effect that he who tries to be his own doictor has a fool for a physician. Even more truly we might say that he who sets himself as his own Pope has a fool for a spiritual guide.

To the ignorant, the unwary and the sel seeking, the Bible can be twisted to yield almost any meaning a person may want to read onto it.

The Bible gives us warning on this score.

" In these epistles, there are certain things different to understand, which the unlearned and the unstable distort, just as they do the rest of the Scriptures also to their own destruction." 2 Peter 3:16