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  1. #41

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    @redline:

    i think you're the type of person who doesn't want to leave any stones unturned. and i think you'll be spending more time thinking of what language to start on than actually 'starting'. yet what you're going through is not uncommon.

    if you want to be a system developer then learn any C-like language. start with C++. it's powerful. it's an improved version of C (that explains the increment value "++"). it's Object Oriented. it has more features. and your transition to other languages wouldn't be that hard if you're coming from C++. if you're thinking to start with C to learn C++, i say you'll just be waisting your time. you will then have to unlearn C to learn C++. that sucks! you might rather wanna learn C++ then take a peek at C later. but then again other people here in the forum could say differently. but i strongly suggest you start with C++.

    if you want to be a web developer, i suggest you start with PHP rather than those .NET languages. why? first it's a C-like language. second, for starters you need to hard code your scripts and not rely on programs to do it for you. for example, Microsoft's Visual Studio. you can practically make a program without having to type a single code. you'll just be clicking and clicking and then you'll have a program. is this good? for Microsoft it is. because then you'll be reliant on their programs. without it you're not a programmer. but with PHP you'll be typing and typing and pulling your hair, racking your brain, biting your fingers... but then you'll learn a lot. and you'll be a good programmer! and third, you'll be in the 'open-source' environment which i personally think is an 'arduous challenge of the intellect' w/c most geeks love.

    also one thing to take note of, C-like programmers get paid more than the others. that's a fact.

    go grab a C++ book for beginners, get a compiler, and start studying - now! i mean now!

    if you want resources for C++:
    http://www.bloodshed.net/devcpp.html -> download the Dev-C++ 4 compiler (it's free and down-right good for beginners and intermediates)
    http://cboard.cprogramming.com/ -> very very good forum for C++
    http://freecomputerbooks.com/ -> for pete's sake get the C++ only, ok? don't confuse that head of yours..

    if you want resources for PHP:
    http://freecomputerbooks.com/ -> PHP ebooks
    http://forums.devshed.com/ -> forum for PHP, also very good
    >for an editor, you can use Dreamweaver, Zend Studio, or find a free one in download.com

    and last but not the least, focus on one. don't divert! if it's C++, then it's C++. if it's PHP then it's PHP.

  2. #42

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    nicely put morphz..

    bai redline, agree ko halos tanan gisulti ni morphian..
    anyway, to add more to that, u need to have a realistic goal in mind, that will keep you going..
    that's why i was asking to what end.. in my experience gud, i learned C back then, ang school
    (sa engineering specifically) wala kaayo realistic projects gihatag, puro na lng exercises
    and theory, wala kaayo practical application.. i have nothing against theory and all that,
    in fact its a must if you want to master the craft, pero what will keep you going is to have an end
    result in mind. i wanted to learn how to make a desktop application for data keeping of sales inventory,
    i ended up learning visual basic, kay nice man xa, windowed na.. later on in the book,
    pwede diay gamiton sa asp ang vb(script).. so i jumped from there after i have satisfied my
    quest for that desktop application.. and made me a website na nakadaug pa jud sa 1st cebu web awards,
    hehehe.. but i got frustrated with ASP coz there are some basic stuff i want to do unya kailangan
    ka mupalit sa component to do it (like file uploads, send to mail) or implement it myself which i didnt
    know yet how to do back then using C/C++ thru COM, i ended up shifting to PHP.

    but now, im so happy with what i know, i practically can do what i want given the time for research
    and development.. ud just need to learn the technicalities and protocols and stuff.

    Quote Originally Posted by morphian
    also one thing to take note of, C-like programmers get paid more than the others. that's a fact.
    hehehe.. true jud ko ani bai..

    ---

    go with C++ bai, since we're in the new age naman karon.. or you can take up C
    but have an object oriented paradigm.. pero mas-sayon kung C++ na lng diretso.
    get yourself a gcc compiler, i would suggest paginstall na lng ug linux diha, kay masdali.
    kung windows ka, there is cygwin and djgpp (i use djgpp kay native w32 compiled na xa,
    cygwin uses an abstraction layer for the linux api to windows api)..

    get yourself a good book!
    if you encounter problems along the way, post lang diri, tabangan ka sa padulngan..
    lisod kung kaw ra isa, perme ka bangga2x, atras, ug balik na pud agi-anan.. hehehe

  3. #43

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    Quote Originally Posted by morphian
    @redline:

    i think you're the type of person who doesn't want to leave any stones unturned. and i think you'll be spending more time thinking of what language to start on than actually 'starting'. yet what you're going through is not uncommon.

    if you want to be a system developer then learn any C-like language. start with C++. it's powerful. it's an improved version of C (that explains the increment value "++"). it's Object Oriented. it has more features. and your transition to other languages wouldn't be that hard if you're coming from C++. if you're thinking to start with C to learn C++, i say you'll just be waisting your time. you will then have to unlearn C to learn C++. that sucks! you might rather wanna learn C++ then take a peek at C later. but then again other people here in the forum could say differently. but i strongly suggest you start with C++.

    if you want to be a web developer, i suggest you start with PHP rather than those .NET languages. why? first it's a C-like language. second, for starters you need to hard code your scripts and not rely on programs to do it for you. for example, Microsoft's Visual Studio. you can practically make a program without having to type a single code. you'll just be clicking and clicking and then you'll have a program. is this good? for Microsoft it is. because then you'll be reliant on their programs. without it you're not a programmer. but with PHP you'll be typing and typing and pulling your hair, racking your brain, biting your fingers... but then you'll learn a lot. and you'll be a good programmer! and third, you'll be in the 'open-source' environment which i personally think is an 'arduous challenge of the intellect' w/c most geeks love.

    also one thing to take note of, C-like programmers get paid more than the others. that's a fact.

    go grab a C++ book for beginners, get a compiler, and start studying - now! i mean now!

    if you want resources for C++:
    http://www.bloodshed.net/devcpp.html -> download the Dev-C++ 4 compiler (it's free and down-right good for beginners and intermediates)
    http://cboard.cprogramming.com/ -> very very good forum for C++
    http://freecomputerbooks.com/ -> for pete's sake get the C++ only, ok? don't confuse that head of yours..

    if you want resources for PHP:
    http://freecomputerbooks.com/ -> PHP ebooks
    http://forums.devshed.com/ -> forum for PHP, also very good
    >for an editor, you can use Dreamweaver, Zend Studio, or find a free one in download.com

    and last but not the least, focus on one. don't divert! if it's C++, then it's C++. if it's PHP then it's PHP.
    thanks a lot morphian for taking me to my destination and guiding me for what im gonna do. coz lot of people just like me want to become a developer but the problem is they dont know how to do it and to start it. we're like a man want to become a soldier & get into the battle field but we dont know what weapon are we going to carry and how it to use and who is our target..

  4. #44

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    Quote Originally Posted by morphian
    @redline:

    i think you're the type of person who doesn't want to leave any stones unturned. and i think you'll be spending more time thinking of what language to start on than actually 'starting'. yet what you're going through is not uncommon.

    if you want to be a system developer then learn any C-like language. start with C++. it's powerful. it's an improved version of C (that explains the increment value "++"). it's Object Oriented. it has more features. and your transition to other languages wouldn't be that hard if you're coming from C++. if you're thinking to start with C to learn C++, i say you'll just be waisting your time. you will then have to unlearn C to learn C++. that sucks! you might rather wanna learn C++ then take a peek at C later. but then again other people here in the forum could say differently. but i strongly suggest you start with C++.

    if you want to be a web developer, i suggest you start with PHP rather than those .NET languages. why? first it's a C-like language. second, for starters you need to hard code your scripts and not rely on programs to do it for you. for example, Microsoft's Visual Studio. you can practically make a program without having to type a single code. you'll just be clicking and clicking and then you'll have a program. is this good? for Microsoft it is. because then you'll be reliant on their programs. without it you're not a programmer. but with PHP you'll be typing and typing and pulling your hair, racking your brain, biting your fingers... but then you'll learn a lot. and you'll be a good programmer! and third, you'll be in the 'open-source' environment which i personally think is an 'arduous challenge of the intellect' w/c most geeks love.

    also one thing to take note of, C-like programmers get paid more than the others. that's a fact.

    go grab a C++ book for beginners, get a compiler, and start studying - now! i mean now!

    if you want resources for C++:
    http://www.bloodshed.net/devcpp.html -> download the Dev-C++ 4 compiler (it's free and down-right good for beginners and intermediates)
    http://cboard.cprogramming.com/ -> very very good forum for C++
    http://freecomputerbooks.com/ -> for pete's sake get the C++ only, ok? don't confuse that head of yours..

    if you want resources for PHP:
    http://freecomputerbooks.com/ -> PHP ebooks
    http://forums.devshed.com/ -> forum for PHP, also very good
    >for an editor, you can use Dreamweaver, Zend Studio, or find a free one in download.com

    and last but not the least, focus on one. don't divert! if it's C++, then it's C++. if it's PHP then it's PHP.
    Try gcc http://gcc.gnu.org/

  5. #45

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    if you wanna be a systems/ web developer like you said, i suggest you learn Java/J2EE or C#/.Net.. naa ra ana.. if you dont know anything yet and just wanna learn how to program, try C/C++ then from there learn Java/C#.

  6. #46

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    @redline
    agree ko nla pro,coz they ben through wat wer going thru right now....i am also a beginners wen it comes to programming....but thanks to the people here im learning fast, i think..hehehe.....

    to All,
    thanks....you inspire us beginners, in programming....

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