Atheist is a bad person?

[noynoy]

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human being as placed at the top of the food chain kills and eat lower kinds of animals. does that constitute a crime against another living beings?

Its a crime if they have laws..

[fingolfin]

.. Atheist is not bad. They just don't believe in God or dieties or other un-wordly beings coz they have a different way to explain how everything began and is and will end. In short, they rely on science.

[soulripper]

bad in what sense? i agree with the people who are on the "subjective" side... has somebody mentioned about the 'Catholic Inquisition' here other than the 'Nazi Germany' and the 'Stalinist Russia'? just to be on the other side of the coin....

[The_Child]

It falls down to this. There are people who believe that Morals are subjective, Reggiebuang & Co.
and there are those who believe that Morals are Objective; Houndedbyheaven and Moi and this is of course connected to the topic on Atheist a Bad Person?

The Subjectivists as i would like to call the other side, would like to point that we are all blabbering ballyhoos and whims nothing grounded on facts-of-reality, no objectivity, nothing Concrete, all in-flux according to one's fancy, our own personal beliefs, that ladies and gentlemen is the position of the other side when it comes to ethics which has its ripple effects on their concept of Everything-- that everything is SUbjective. There is no such thing as an Absolute Truth. There is no good and bad.

We on the other hand, the objectivists, believe that there is an Absolute truth, that there are Concrete standards, that there is what is Good and what is BAd, that there are facts-of-reality. We are realists in a way that we dont decide what is good and what is bad, but rather decide what is good and what is bad. There is such thing as good, and there is such thing as Bad.


if you believe that Good & Evil are universal constants and Morality is in itself absolute, well, that's your belief. we're all entitled to a few. i'm not here to make you believe what i believe in. i'm here to share what i believe in. i don't go about trying to prove other people wrong. i go about expressing myself, not impressing others.

but whether we recognize facts-of-reality or not, it exist. No amount of thinking would reduce them to not existing. For example, no matter how one would like to believe that an aeroplane like a Boeing 747 travel under water, the fact of reality is that it just cant. Like the concept of Good and Bad, a bit more abstract, they correspond to facts-of-reality, no matter how one likes to believe what it is and it is not, the idea of Good and Bad is still there, unchanging hinged not upon Man's fancy whim and subsequently of Culture and Society.

about the genocides in history... the perpetrators were tried and convicted of their crimes, as what IceInHell pointed out, and the greater part of humanity sees them as monsters, even though they believed and died believing that they were righteous... like i said... subjective. they believed that they were right and the rest of the world believed (and hopefully, still believes) that they were wrong.


As i said, no amount of self-inflicted blindness would change the fact that Nazi Germany for example was Bad. It is not merely important to understand the History of these nations but it is important to understand the Ideas that molded Nazism for example, because Nazism was a system that holds the idea that there is no "truth" embraced the "Will to Power", embraced Selfishness that is not rational and logical. Catholic inquisition was also Bad no question about that. For one thing, we have brains to think, to seek knowledge, to seek Truth in conformity to Reality, self-righteous without thinking is not righteousness at all.

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We on the other hand, the objectivists, believe that there is an Absolute truth, that there are Concrete standards, that there is what is Good and what is BAd, that there are facts-of-reality. We are realists in a way that we dont decide what is good and what is bad, but rather only try to discover what is good and what is bad. There is such thing as good, and there is such thing as Bad.

[sweetz]

No... depende ra na sa tao ang pagka good or bad nya not sa iya faith, pero naa sad gamay influences ang iya mga beliefs...

[wilner]

Bitaw its all faith lang gyud and what they believe in. Sa ila that is good man kay that what they believe in man. Then naa biya ta freedom to believe in what we want so i think let them be nalang....... :mrgreen:

[Streetcar]

Saon man mga Atheist they have their own logical explanation and reasoning. I wonder what they think about creation and existence.

[soulripper]

Saon man mga Atheist they have their own logical explanation and reasoning. I wonder what they think about creation and existence.

they don't believe in it of course... that's why they are called atheist!

[Streetcar]

they don't believe in it of course... that's why they are called atheist!

well, they got to believe in something

[soulripper]

well, they got to believe in something

evolution...