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  1. #41

    on another note, unsa man ang dako nga project nga na implement ni gwen? Megadome? national government initiative man na.

    sige siya saway nga na'ay utang ang cebu city because of SRP, personally i don't care. our government and its finances will still be the same with or without SRP.

    ako pa ni gwen, magpa buhat siya ug studies to connect cebu from north to south via rapid transit and widen the highways bahala na ug magka utang-utang ang province instead of being a real estate agent brokering the property of the province.

    if you come to think of it, even the provincial government nabulahan tungod sa SRP.

  2. #42
    Can you imgine Cebu without the SRP? Grabe man sad cguro trapik hehehehe...

    I have have faith in the SRP and its promise... Time will come...

    Anyways, kapoy kaau ng Sun Star ky dayeg kaau anang Gwen... Pro Garcia kaau unya Anti-Tomas hasta na ilang mga columnist samot nana si Baboy Nalzaro...

    Sun Star is one big PR machine for the Garcias... Hinuon kang Alvin man pud nah...

  3. #43
    Quote Originally Posted by LytSlpr View Post
    this is not about me, i am just trying to point out that considering what minuano27 said, it was still an osmena who marketed cebu,

    during marcos time everything was owned by marcos.

    a good example is tourism, cebu was the tourism place during that time because of cebu plaza, tambuli, argao then the fonaciers opened bohol and cebu beach club. yes they were marcos cronies, but they made the initiative and marketed cebu as an island in the pacific not cebu philippines. with this premise, would you still say it was because of marcos? going back to the topic, it is the same thing as what lito did.

    kung wala si lito ni market sa cebu even after marcos put up MEPZA, EPZA, PEZA or whatever, mapuno kaha nga nag MEPZA ron? naa kaha ng cebu business park ron? trancentral highway? balamban shipmaking among others? nga sa una gibabagan ug gi question ni tingting sa una.

    a simple yes or no will do.

    The sad thing is that you still don't get it. You equate marketing with vision. Call Lito whatever you like, marketing man, developer but the plain truth is that it was Marcos who hatched the brilliant idea and that's a fact. Nobody can argue with you what Lito did and he has done a tremendous job in what is the MEPZ now. But marketing is marketing and vision is vision. Again credit should go where it is due. Si Marcos maoy nag architect ug si Lito usa sa mga panday. Ang problema man gud sa imong reasoning nga just because Lito has done so much for MEPZ you want to translate or morph marketing or whatever term you want into vision. Unsa man diay pagsabot nimo anang vision? Para nako ang mga tawo nga dunay vision maoy nagmugna sa maong ideya para sa umaabot.

    In fact, kung puede lang i-apil ug patent ang mga idea ni Marcos unya covered sa atong IP laws, Lito could be charged for copyright infringement.

  4. #44
    Quote Originally Posted by godwhacker View Post
    The sad thing is that you still don't get it. You equate marketing with vision. Call Lito whatever you like, marketing man, developer but the plain truth is that it was Marcos who hatched the brilliant idea and that's a fact. Nobody can argue with you what Lito did and he has done a tremendous job in what is the MEPZ now. But marketing is marketing and vision is vision. Again credit should go where it is due. Si Marcos maoy nag architect ug si Lito usa sa mga panday. Ang problema man gud sa imong reasoning nga just because Lito has done so much for MEPZ you want to translate or morph marketing or whatever term you want into vision. Unsa man diay pagsabot nimo anang vision? Para nako ang mga tawo nga dunay vision maoy nagmugna sa maong ideya para sa umaabot.

    In fact, kung puede lang i-apil ug patent ang mga idea ni Marcos unya covered sa atong IP laws, Lito could be charged for copyright infringement.
    now i'm laughing, so you're being technical. okay, let me rephrase it; Lito just simply "marketed" MEPZ and everything else was his vison. sheesh!

    btw, for the record, i got it the first time. i wasn't just "too technical" about it.

  5. #45
    Quote Originally Posted by knightcarl View Post
    ^^

    bai layu na kaau na si Lito.. kung unsa ang probinsiya karon, dili na tungod ni Lito.. Well partly naa siya accomplishment..

    After ni Lito daghan na kaau gobernador nga nilabay.. naa si TingTing dela Serna, ug si Pablo Garcia nga naka three terms.. tapos Gwen dayon...

    Kung unsay accomplishment ni Lito wala na tu kay dugay na kaau tu.
    mao gyud...

    nasuya ra na sa mga Garcia c The Good$ pre. what is "envy" but a common denominator of the typical Pinoy. I'm not even immune to that.

    in fairness, most of the Garcias are achievers. IMHO, they deserve to be in their current positions. Winston - GSIS, Gwen - Cebu guv, Pablo Sr. - congress, Sonny Jr. - Sun.Star, Armi Garcia - consul to Russia, Pablo John - congress, Byron - CPDRC...

    (and i don't like the way some people undermine Byron's accomplishments in CPDRC. the algorithm dances are not only for show or for Byron's credit. there are a lot other benefits derived by inmates from this. the credit actually goes to the inmates themselves. and also, the dances are not only what's accomplished by Byron in there...)

    now sa pikas, knsa may sa mga living Osmena ang mga achievers? Tomas - Cebu City Mayor, Margot - plight of street children, Lito - former Cebu guv, Serge - congress, Sonny - former congress.

    anyway, as for Tomas saying Gwen is "jealous" re Lapu Lapu, he might be right. But as to the question that "is Gwen reasonable to get jealous", kamo nalay tubag...hehe
    Last edited by giddyboy; 08-24-2008 at 06:40 PM.

  6. #46
    Say what you like bai... Not here to argue...

    Feedbacks lang na akoa nga majority dli ganahan ni Gwen ug sa mga Garcias ky tikasan, plastic unya kurakot from my fellow nurses and doctors employed in her agency Powerline, jeepney drivers, LGU workers, our patients in the hospital, even our helper nagsulti grabe pamayaray ni Gwen atong election sa probinsya ala Atan Guardo...

    Only the gullible and the ignorant ang ma dala sa mga pa O.A. anang mga Garcia ug ego-tripping ni Gwen...

    Disdain is not synonymous with envy bai...
    Last edited by The Good$!!!; 08-24-2008 at 09:46 PM.

  7. #47
    Quote Originally Posted by LytSlpr View Post
    now i'm laughing, so you're being technical. okay, let me rephrase it; Lito just simply "marketed" MEPZ and everything else was his vison. sheesh!

    btw, for the record, i got it the first time. i wasn't just "too technical" about it.
    Bai now you are contradicting yourself. Ikaw ra bitaw gaingon at first that MEPZ was the vision of Lito. When Minuano27 introduced you a bit of history because obviously you seem to feign knowledge about it but turned out that you haven't got the overall picture actually. And it is not good to peddle here false information just to make your man (Lito) look more handsome. Karon palusot na ka nga "just to technical about it". Let us discuss here about facts and not falsehoods. Mao nay giingon unsa ang giangkon ni Pedro kang Pedro. Unsa ang kang Juan kang Juan.
    Ang problema kay lugawon nimo ang imong mga asserttions then mangita ka ug palusot.

  8. #48
    Quote Originally Posted by godwhacker View Post
    Bai now you are contradicting yourself. Ikaw ra bitaw gaingon at first that MEPZ was the vision of Lito. When Minuano27 introduced you a bit of history because obviously you seem to feign knowledge about it but turned out that you haven't got the overall picture actually. And it is not good to peddle here false information just to make your man (Lito) look more handsome. Karon palusot na ka nga "just to technical about it". Let us discuss here about facts and not falsehoods. Mao nay giingon unsa ang giangkon ni Pedro kang Pedro. Unsa ang kang Juan kang Juan.
    Ang problema kay lugawon nimo ang imong mga asserttions then mangita ka ug palusot.

    i think i already explained that part. what falsehood? again the MEPZA was a bastardized project by Makoy. it may have been lito's idea or it was parallel with Lito's idea taking into consideration how they planned Cebu to be at that time in sync with their other projects.

    if i am not mistaken, MEPZA was the model or the pioneer that started PEZA because of the very active export industry and geographical advantage of Cebu but then again this is just a speculation.

    the export processing zones during marcos' time never became a reality that is way PEZA was created in 1994. so technically, it was realized by a local leader for cebu. that is for this reason lito realized it for cebu because of what his vision of cebu to become.

    so taking into consideration what minuano27 said, it can still be claimed that it was lito's vision for cebu.
    Last edited by LytSlpr; 08-25-2008 at 02:30 AM.

  9. #49
    Quote Originally Posted by giddyboy View Post
    mao gyud...

    nasuya ra na sa mga Garcia c The Good$ pre. what is "envy" but a common denominator of the typical Pinoy. I'm not even immune to that.

    in fairness, most of the Garcias are achievers. IMHO, they deserve to be in their current positions. Winston - GSIS, Gwen - Cebu guv, Pablo Sr. - congress, Sonny Jr. - Sun.Star, Armi Garcia - consul to Russia, Pablo John - congress, Byron - CPDRC...

    (and i don't like the way some people undermine Byron's accomplishments in CPDRC. the algorithm dances are not only for show or for Byron's credit. there are a lot other benefits derived by inmates from this. the credit actually goes to the inmates themselves. and also, the dances are not only what's accomplished by Byron in there...)

    now sa pikas, knsa may sa mga living Osmena ang mga achievers? Tomas - Cebu City Mayor, Margot - plight of street children, Lito - former Cebu guv, Serge - congress, Sonny - former congress.

    anyway, as for Tomas saying Gwen is "jealous" re Lapu Lapu, he might be right. But as to the question that "is Gwen reasonable to get jealous", kamo nalay tubag...hehe
    You are right, they are achievers "for themselves" because of politics and connections but at the end of the day or shall i say term, it is the tangible and long term programs that is what is enjoyed, seen, remembered and benefited by the people.

    We can always put good leaders in different agencies but if their agency's project and programs are just geared towards "efficiency" and no long term consistent programs or tangible projects to speak of which can be their legacy, these leaders will just fade to dawn.

    It is even ironic that the osmenas gave more for their people locally which also has a national impact, more than the higher achieving garcias.


    what did pablo and gwen do to cebu except being an active real estate agent for cebu province lots?

    sonny jr.s stint with DOTC? we all know what happened. the department and agencies beneath it are still as corrupt as hell and the system still sucks. no significant change whatsoever there.

    winston's gsis stint which is tainted with controversies and failed systems implementation project which has been lambasted by our senior citizens for 3 years now.

    yes, byron did a good job with CPDRC but for an "achiever" that is a pretty small project. any good manager could have done it.

    well, armi garcia is just simply running the family newspaper business which they acquired from a marcos cronie 2 decades or so ago.
    Last edited by LytSlpr; 08-25-2008 at 02:31 AM.

  10. #50
    Quote Originally Posted by LytSlpr View Post
    . what falsehood?

    again the MEPZA was a bastardized project by Makoy.
    if i am not mistaken, MEPZA was the model or the pioneer that started PEZA because of the very

    PEZA was created in 1994.

    so taking into consideration what minuano27 said, it can still be claimed that it was lito's vision for cebu.

    Again call it bastardized or whatever, MEPZA was the "grand old man". That's where it all started. That's what you call vision from Marcos which he created in 1972 as Presidential Decree # 66. And nobody can take it away from him. Not even you or your man Lito. That is recorded in history. And regarding your PEZA, nope it was not created in 1994 but 1995. And here is your vision man Lito per wiki. (Wa gani mahisguti kung iyaha ba gyud what is MEPZ today.)Pildirong daku man diay ni.


    Emilio Mario Osmeña
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    Emilio Mario R. Osmeña
    Presidential Chief Economic Adviser
    1993–1997
    Governor of the Province of Cebu
    1988–1992
    Political Party: Probinsya Muna Development Initiative (PROMDI) (1997-present) Lakas-Christian Muslim Democrats (1992-1997)
    Born: September 11, 1938
    Cebu City, Cebu
    Spouse: Annette Versoza

    Emilio Mario Renner Osmeña, also known as Lito Osmeña, is the founder and chairman of PROMDI Party (Probinsya Muna Development Initiative or Provinces First Development Initiative) where he ran for the position of President in the 1998 elections but lost to Joseph Estrada. He also ran for the position of Vice President and running-mate of Fidel Ramos in the 1992 Elections but lost to Joseph Estrada. He is the grandchild of Philippine President Sergio Osmeña and younger brother of former Senator John Henry Osmeña.

    Contents
    1 Early life and career
    2 Political life
    2.1 Weakening political influence
    2.1.1 2004
    2.1.2 2007
    3 Personal life
    4 External links



    [edit] Early life and career
    Osmeña was born on September 11, 1938 in Cebu City, Cebu to Dr. Emilio V. Osmeña and Ma. Louisa Renner. He graduated with a degree of Bachelor of Science in Business Administration at the University of San Carlos, Cebu.

    In the 70s, he was imprisoned during Martial Law in 1973 at Fort Bonifacio for nine months and placed under house arrest for four years after the escape of cousin Sergio Osmeña III.


    Political life
    After the reorganization of local governments and the ratification of the 1987 Constitution, he ran for the position of Governor for the province of Cebu in 1988 and won. He held the position from 1988 to 1992. During his term as Governor of Cebu, Osmeña was able to increase the provincial budget to 1 billion pesos per annum. He made possible the construction of flyovers and causeways, and purchased heavy equipment that caused the opening and maintenance of several barangay roads and bridges as well as the farm-to-market roads. Osmeña launched a Water Distribution Program in the entire island, making water available to 90% of the population, as opposed to the 56% before his incumbency. Osmeña initiated the modernization of Cebu's International Airport. He also initiated direct flights from Cebu to the different parts of the world. He was elected as Chairman of the League of Governors of the Philippines from 1990 to 1992.

    After Fidel Ramos bolted the LDP in 1992, he invited Osmeña to his new party Lakas Tao and offered to be his running mate in the May 11 elections. Osmeña accepted Ramos' invitation and accepted his offer citing his vision to follow his grandfather's footsteps. He however lost to Joseph Estrada in a 7-way race for Vice President.

    Osmeña served as Executive Vice President of Lakas-NUCD and Chief Economic Adviser of President Fidel V. Ramos from 1993 to 1997.

    After hearing news about Jose de Venecia's nomination as president in the Lakas-NUCD convention, he bolted the party and formed his own party he called PROMDI Party (Probinsya Muna Development Initiative or Provinces First Development Initiative). With Ismael Sueño as his running mate, he ran for the position of President in the 11-way presidential election but lost to Joseph Estrada.

    Osmeña returned to private life after the elections handling the party he founded as a party-list party. In the House of Representatives, the party was represented by Joy Augustus Young. Osmeña did not run in the 2004 elections and supported his former political rival Raul Roco for president. His party was disqualified in the party list elections, citing that the party was a political party. The party field candidates in the local elections in Cebu.


    Weakening political influence

    2004
    Osmeña threw his support immediately behind Roco after President Gloria Macapagal-Arroyo changed her mind and decided to run in the 2004 elections. He went on to speak out and raise support for his former presidential rival from Bicol and at the same time attacked Arroyo for "political treason". During an interview with the media, Osmeña said he preferred a straight candidate like Roco and with a smile, he said "We don't want another Gloria."

    But in spite of his efforts, over a million Cebuano voters ignored Osmeña's endorsement for Roco and voted for Arroyo instead. Roco who was then ill with cancer, also suffered a setback over a public relations blunder in Cebu. He received less than 5% of Cebu's votes in the 2004 general election. The loss of Roco was a major embarrassment for Osmeña and was clear evidence that his influence with the people of his province had weakened significantly.

    Osmeña was also a staunch idealist and vigorously promoted his Republic of Cebu plan, in which Cebu would be declared separated from the rest of the Philippines and be an independent nation on its own. He had stressed that Cebu no longer needed support and supervision from the national government and that the province on its own would have been able to attract massive investments and tourists soon as it became a republic. While many in Cebu had embraced the idea, the Republic of Cebu masterplan was forgotten and lost virtually all support it had.


    2007
    For the 2007 Philippine general election, Osmena endorsed Antonio Yapha and Clavel Martinez for Cebu governor and vice-governor in a bid to replace the current Garcia administration. Already known for his wide rift with the Garcia political clan, Osmena complained that the incumbents were mismanaging the province's budget surplus by focusing more on beautification of projects instead of delivering basic services to the people.

    Despite his strong support for the challengers, both Yapha and Martinez suffered landslide defeats to their respective opponents.


    Personal life
    Lito, as he is often called, is married to Annette Versoza and has three children namely Mariano Antonio, Maria Luisa, and Emilio III. He has 8 grand children- Annette, Santino, Marie, Katrien, Alexander, Emilio IV, Illeana, and Julia. Lito is part of the Osmeña clan, a very influential political family in the Philippines. Other prominent family members include Senators Sergio Osmeña III, John Henry Osmeña and Sergio Osmeña Jr.; Cebu City Mayor Tomas Osmeña, former President Sergio Osmeña, former Cebu Vice Governor John Gregory Osmeña, and ASUC Senator Christian Osmeña.

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