GRP - MILF agreement on ancestral domain

[godsaint]

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As long as naa ning grupoha wala gyud kalinaw ang Mindanao.MNLF,MILF and Abu Sayaf.Isa lang ni sila ngalan lay nakalain nila.

[weeker]

All of them belongs to what we considered as "radical muslims" but they are all different actually...

[giddyboy]

As long as naa ning grupoha wala gyud kalinaw ang Mindanao.MNLF,MILF and Abu Sayaf.Isa lang ni sila ngalan lay nakalain nila.

dili ta mgpataka bro oi. these groups have different histories why they are formed. And they are formed with each different ideologies and principles. Of course it's common knowledge that some members from one group would break away and join other groups like the bandit Abu Sayaff but that doesn't justify nga pareho ra na cla.

MNLF is a POLITICAL ORGANIZATION of the Republic of the Phils. which currently is the ruling party of ARMM. ARMM will be the pilot project for the automated elections 2010.

MILF is an offshoot group and became a Muslim SEPARATIST REBEL GROUP, who broke away from MNLF when MNLF refused to hold violent insurgency in 1981.

ASG is a TERRORIST GROUP admitting recruited members from MNLF and MILF.

[Motownkid]

Designed to fail

MANILA, Philippines—The Memorandum of Agreement (MOA) hammered out by government negotiators and the Moro Islamic Liberation Front is riddled with so many legal and constitutional flaws and political obstacles, it’s no wonder the administration of President Gloria Macapagal-Arroyo wanted to keep it under wraps for as long as it could. But now that its full details have filtered out, what remains a puzzle is how President Arroyo and her panel of negotiators could have agreed to terms so patently disadvantageous as to make the whole pact unacceptable to the Filipino people.

Firstly, the MOA expands the area of autonomy from the present Autonomous Region in Muslim Mindanao to places whose inhabitants never had any inkling that they could be part of a virtually new state called the Bangsamoro Juridical Entity. Even from the purely practical standpoint of government administration, there is little to recommend the inclusion of many tiny communities spread all over the southern Philippines, from the Zamboanga Peninsula in the south to Palawan Island in the southwest.

Secondly, so many provisions in the MOA violate the Constitution that it might as well have been written by people who either have not read the fundamental law or simply chose to ignore it. As Philippine Daily Inquirer columnist Raul Pangalangan, former dean of the University of the Philippines College of Law, has pointed out, the Constitution lists only nine functions that can be devolved to the region of autonomy, and these do not include the conduct of foreign relations and the establishment of a separate financial system. And yet the MOA would grant the proposed Bangsamoro government powers to “enter into any economic cooperation and trade relations with foreign countries”; “open trade missions in foreign countries”; and participate in international meetings, like those of the United Nations and the Association of Southeast Asian Nations. In addition, the Bangsamoro Juridical Entity (BJE) can set up its own banking system and financial institutions.

In defining ancestral domain, the MOA covers not only the areas owned or claimed by indigenous peoples, like the “lumad” who do not belong to the Islamic faith, but also the territorial waters. Pangalangan noted that control over internal waters and the territorial sea is vested in a sovereign state, making the BJE even more like one.

Given all these unconstitutional and objectionable provisions, why did the government panel, obviously with the consent of the President, approve the MOA? The Moro Islamic Liberation Front now says it doesn’t feel bound by the restrictions of the Constitution or by any decision of the Supreme Court. However, everyone in the administration agrees that the MOA would have to pass scrutiny by the Court and get Congress’ nod to go into operation. But how can the administration get the Court to put its imprimatur on provisions that are clearly in violation of the fundamental law? And how can it expect Congress to cooperate when even its allies are up in arms over it, especially those who come from areas that are proposed for integration in the Bangsamoro homeland? Has the administration become so confident of its influence over the courts and its hold on Congress that it believes it can make the two other branches bend according to its wishes, even to the extent of trashing the Constitution and cooperating in the partition of the country?

Those who cannot conceive of the administration committing treason see a different reason for the approval of the MOA. In their view, the MOA’s ultimate objective is not peace but keeping Ms Arroyo in power. If Congress can be persuaded to help amend the Charter to put the MOA into operation, it can also be convinced to slip in another amendment that would allow Ms Arroyo to hang on to power, most likely through a shift to a parliamentary system.

As if that is not bad enough, another scenario gaining currency casts the administration in an even more devilish light. In this scenario, the MOA was deliberately designed to self-destruct as soon as it was announced, precisely because of its many constitutional flaws and unacceptable features. Having smelled victory and now feeling betrayed and frustrated by the MOA’s rejection, the Moro Islamic Liberation Front starts making trouble, giving Ms Arroyo a good excuse to declare martial law.

Far-fetched? Past experience has shown that Ms Arroyo can be crafty, even devious, when her political survival is at stake. While it may be unkind to think that she can be so reckless and irresponsible, it is for her to disprove such suspicions. She can begin by firing her peace adviser and peace negotiators and repudiating the pact they tried to foist upon a worried people.

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hahaha.. posible pod kaayo.

[godsaint]

dili ta mgpataka bro oi. these groups have different histories why they are formed. And they are formed with each different ideologies and principles. Of course it's common knowledge that some members from one group would break away and join other groups like the bandit Abu Sayaff but that doesn't justify nga pareho ra na cla.

MNLF is a POLITICAL ORGANIZATION of the Republic of the Phils. which currently is the ruling party of ARMM. ARMM will be the pilot project for the automated elections 2010.

MILF is an offshoot group and became a Muslim SEPARATIST REBEL GROUP, who broke away from MNLF when MNLF refused to hold violent insurgency in 1981.

ASG is a TERRORIST GROUP admitting recruited members from MNLF and MILF.

I grew up in Mindanao.I have relatives in Cotabato.Kabalo gyud ko sa batasan sa Muslim.Para nila their muslim blood is thicker than their ideology.Bisan unsa pa kagamay sa tawo ila gyud ng tabangan kung isa nila ang makasangka niini.Same as thse MILF and MNLF.Dha lang na motago ang ilang mga partidos nga Abu Sayaf once gukdon sa MIlitary.Sagaran ani nila mga relatives lang man.Kita lang gibuang nila.Naka sayop lang sa atong gobyerno,wla kini backbone para bulbuson ning grupoha.Dugay namn unta ni nga samok2 sa nasod.Gusto nila ila ang Minanao.Sa negosyo mas daghan pa sila sa Visayas and Luzon.Basin kadugayan angkonon na nila ang Pilipinas.

[giddyboy]

I grew up in Mindanao.I have relatives in Cotabato.Kabalo gyud ko sa batasan sa Muslim.Para nila their muslim blood is thicker than their ideology.Bisan unsa pa kagamay sa tawo ila gyud ng tabangan kung isa nila ang makasangka niini.Same as thse MILF and MNLF.Dha lang na motago ang ilang mga partidos nga Abu Sayaf once gukdon sa MIlitary.Sagaran ani nila mga relatives lang man.Kita lang gibuang nila.Naka sayop lang sa atong gobyerno,wla kini backbone para bulbuson ning grupoha.Dugay namn unta ni nga samok2 sa nasod.Gusto nila ila ang Minanao.Sa negosyo mas daghan pa sila sa Visayas and Luzon.Basin kadugayan angkonon na nila ang Pilipinas.

well, op kors that is ur personal stand based on ur childhood experience and from ur relatives. But that doesn't mean u r right.

I know Muslim blood is thicker than their ideology. I also know Chinese blood is thicker than water. I also know Garcia or Osmena blood is thicker than water...All these are almost the same thing. While Muslims are more into the political and their religious aspect, the Chinese is more into the business aspect.

I also know that some ASG's are relatives of some MNLF members. But it is just like saying some NPA's are relatives of some partylist members...it is also like saying a carnapper is a relative of somebody who works in LTO.

Being relatives doesn't make it "pareho" ra cla. Abi kay puros man cla Muslim, ing ana nlng atong panglantaw nila...parehos ra. i beg to disagree bro. Muslims in the Phils. have their share of radical and criminal elements. But Christians too.

MNLF is not MILF or ASG.
MILF is not MNLF or ASG. (kung sa uban pa, bastos na ang MILF...hehe)
ASG is not MNLF or MILF.

anyway, murag nilihis na ta gmay sa topic bro. Let's talk about the MOA.

[TAMB0K]

negotiations? diba panahon paman ni ni marcos? if i were the president i say ethnic cleansing is the only solution.

[godsaint]

These people must be crushed(MILF,MNLF,Abu Sayaf).Samok2 lang ni sila sa nasud.They are always talking about ceasefire but look at what they are doing.

[tingkoy13]

sakto ka bai, wapajd kaluoy pamotlan ug ulo bsan patay na, d ni angay sila tagaan ug cease fire d gani sila kamao mu respito ug patayng lawas,

[moz_k2]

Air Force planes bomb MILF lair - INQUIRER.net, Philippine News for Filipinos


PIKIT, NORTH COTABATO—Philippine Air Force planes Sunday bombed suspected Moro rebel positions and ground troops pounded them with cannons and mortars after hundreds of guerrillas defied a government ultimatum to withdraw.

Eyewitness accounts put government casualties at three dead, while officials said one Moro Islamic Liberation Front (MILF) rebel was killed in the clashes that erupted mainly in North Cotabato province.

Armed Forces Vice Chief of Staff Lt. Gen. Cardozo Luna said fighting was taking place “eyeball-to-eyeball” in some areas and that the military and police were “prepared for a long drawn-out action,” Agence France-Presse reported.

Some 500 guerrillas were involved in the fighting with Army units, including those from the 602nd Brigade, the 40th Infantry Battalion, and 7th Infantry Battalion, according to Brig. Gen. Jorge Segovia, acting AFP command center chief.

Military reports mentioned no deaths among soldiers but said at least six of them were wounded in skirmishes that occurred in areas largely outside the Autonomous Region in Muslim Mindanao (ARMM), where regional elections were to be held on Monday.

There was no indication that the new flare-up was directly related to the ARMM elections. But some of the fighting spilled over to two villages in Northern Kabuntalan, in Shariff Kabunsuan, where the rebels suffered one dead, according to Chief Supt. Joel Goltiao, the ARMM police director.

Thousands flee

The weeks-long tension has forced some 100,000 villagers to flee their homes, relief officials in North Cotabato said.

Guided by troops on the ground, OV-10 Broncos, SF-260 planes and MG-520 attack helicopters hammered MILF positions in North Cotabato with 260-pound bombs and rockets, a senior PAF official monitoring the military operation said.

“We already launched air operations using OV-10s, MG-520s and SF-260s. Bombs, rockets and machine gun fire were delivered to targets given by ground troops,” said the official, who asked not to be named because he was not in charge of releasing statements to the media.

The bombs were dropped in the area “of the 105th Base Command of the MILF, which is out of control already,” the official told the Philippine Daily Inquirer (parent company of INQUIRER.net).

Further air strikes were expected until MILF troops heeded the government’s demand for a pullout.

Withdrawal ordered

The government had given about 800 guerrillas until 10 a.m. on Friday to vacate several villages they had occupied supposedly in violation of a 2003 ceasefire.

Officials accused the rebels of burning houses, destroying farms, stealing cattle and driving tens of thousands of people from their homes.

The fresh conflict came at a crucial point in peace negotiations between the government and the MILF rebels, who have reached an agreement calling for the establishment of an independent Bangsamoro homeland.

The formal signing of the accord was stopped last week by the Supreme Court, acting on petitions filed by Christian politicians opposed to the inclusion of their areas in the proposed Muslim homeland.

On Saturday, the rebels were ordered by their leaders to pull back but later complained that their withdrawal was hampered by government troops and armed villagers in areas where they were to pass. The rebels said some had sporadically fired at them.