RELIGION....(part 2)

[mannyamador]

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The Antichrist Revealed

Crackpot revealed!

[mosimos]

Kuwan man gud. . . kining ang RCC. . . Popular man gud unya daghan kaayo ug members. Â*KINADAGHANAN! Mao na masuya gyud ang mga dili Catholics. Why? Sa kadaghan nilag paningkamot mag wali na sa dalan, mangdaut sa TV, manoktok sa mga balay, wa man gihapon sila makuha nga members.

Usahay kadtong mga naay bug-at nga problema ilang doulon. Â*Ilang dayun ingnon, " Brod, ang hinungdan sa imo kalisud tungod kay nagtoo ka sa relihiyon nga dili matoud."

Nagpanilap sila sa kwarta sa Vatican. Â*Kung kinsa ug daghan members ug kinsa ang mas naay impluwensiya (not to mention kwarta) mao gyud nay target sa atake.

Saun na lang niiingon man gyud atong Ginoog Hesukristo, "even the Gates of Hell cannot prevail over you."

[pokoman]

" SALABTONON KINI , ANG MAALAM MAKASABOT SA KAHULOGAN SA NUMERO SA MANANAP KAY ANG NUMERO SIMBOLO MAN SA NGALAN SA USA KA TAWO. ANG NUMERO NIINI 666 " (BUGNA 13: 1

VICARIVS FILII DEI (VICAR OF THE SON OF GOD) THE TITLES OF THE POPE

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Bravo!Â* Thank you for showing how desperate you are of trying to prove a connection.Â* Unfortunately, your desperation made you commit catastrophic blunder.Â* The most glaring is the fact that the Pope does not have a title of Vicarius Filii Dei.Â* The nearest papal title is Vicarius Christi --- Vicar of Christ.

Are you a Seventh-Day Adventist?Â* This blunder is so popular among them.Â* Would you like to add the phrases "The Latin Kingdom," "Italian Church," "Latin Speaking Man," and "Roman Kingdom"?Â* All of these phrases are said to equate to 666 if one uses the values of the letters in the Hebrew or Greek alphabets.Â* Would you want me to show who Ellen Gould White is?

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" Come out of her before its to late "

Most Filipino catholics became one not by affiliation through faith, but by birth. Do they have the chance to wean themselves from this church? What is God's commandment to all catholics?
" Then i heard another voice from heaven saying come out of her, my people, so that you do not take part in her sins, and so that you do not share in her plagues. ( Rev. 18:4) The first step that a catholic must do, is to come out of the Roman Catholic Church. That is a commandment of God! But it is not enough to leave that church. What more is to be done? What then is the second step ? Christ our Lord says; " I am the door anyone who comes into the fold shall be safe." (Jn.10:9)


"Doctrine of the devil"

The Catholic Church imposes celibacy on her priest:
" The discipline of the Catholic Church has been exerted from the beginning in prohibiting priest to marry after their ordination. " (The Faith of Our Fathers. p32
But according to Apostle Paul, the prohibiton to marry is a doctrine of the devil:
" Now the spirit speaketh expressly, that in latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of the devils; "Forbidding to marry, and commanding to abstain from meats,which God hath created to be received with thanksgiving of them which believe and know the truth." (1 Tim. 4:1,3)

The Catholic Church commands its members to abstain from meat during Lent:
"The second precept is, To fast and abstain on the days appointed. By fast-days are meant days on which are allowed but one full meal; days of abstinence are those on which we are forbidden to eat meat but are allowed the usual number of meals. The Catholic Church commands us to fast and abtain in order that we may mortify our passion and satisfy for our sins. "(Rev. John A. O'Brien, Ph.D. The Faith of Millions, p.417)
But the Bible assures that such doctrine is devilish:
" Now the spirit speaketh expressly, that in latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils;
"Forbidding to marry, and commanding to abtain from meats, which God hath created to be received with thanksgiving of them which believe and know the truth." (1Tim.4:1,3,kjv)

[pokoman]

FAITH... pwedi gani way Religion... basta Lig-on lang imong pag-tou...

To have faith in God and in Christ is not enough.Faith must be coupled with action or work , that is, specifically to enter Christ's true Church. To refuse to do so is to reject God's will. God considers any form of worship meaningless if it does not conform to his will.
Prophet Isaiah testifies:
" The Lord said, "These people claim to worship me, but their words are meaningless, and their hearts are somewhere else .Their religion is nothing but human rules and traditions."(Is.29:13)
Human philosophies must not be the basis for worshiping God. The Creator does not allow that his words be supplanted with man-made teachings. To do so is to reject his precepts; and to reject his precepts is tantamount to rejecting God himself.

[tolstoi]

any1..

what can you say about the on-going public [televised] clash between Iglesia ni Christo and Ang Dating Daan?..i say that they are just diminishing their reputation as a Christian sect/church..both are pathetic.

[dacs]

" Come out of her before its to late "

Most Filipino catholics became one not by affiliation through faith, but by birth. Do they have the chance to wean themselves from this church? What is God's commandment to all catholics?
" Then i heard another voice from heaven saying come out of her, my people, so that you do not take part in her sins, and so that you do not share in her plagues. ( Rev. 18:4) The first step that a catholic must do, is to come out of the Roman Catholic Church.

Where is it said that this applies specifically to the Catholic Church? Well, if I use your logic (can it be called that?), it says the same thing to your group. I then implore you to come out. Please.

That is a commandment of God! But it is not enough to leave that church. What more is to be done? What then is the second step ? Christ our Lord says; " I am the door anyone who comes into the fold shall be safe." (Jn.10:9)

2 Timothy 2:1-2 – "So you, my child, be strong in the grace that is in Christ Jesus. And what you have heard from me through many witnesses entrust to faithful people who will have the ability to teach others as well." The authority to teach is passed on from one generation of preachers to the next. Only the Catholic Church and the Orthodox Church can claim such apostolic succession of authority. Sorry, but your sect is not included. This apostolic succession is further reinforced by 2 Timothy 3:14 – "...remain faithful to what you have learned and believed, because you know from whom you learned it..." and by Galatians 1:8 – "But even if we or an angel from heaven should preach to you a gospel other than the one that we preached to you, let that one be accursed! As we have said before, and now I say again, if anyone preaches to you a gospel other than the one that you received, let that one be accursed!"

Romans 10:13-17 – "For "everyone who calls on the name of the Lord will be saved." But how can they call on him in whom they have not believed? And how can they believe in him of whom they have not heard? And how can they hear without someone to preach? And how can people preach unless they are sent? As it is written, "How beautiful are the feet of those who bring (the) good news!" But not everyone has heeded the good news; for Isaiah says, "Lord, who has believed what was heard from us?" Thus faith comes from what is heard, and what is heard comes through the word of Christ." Anyone who preach should be sent and should be able show who sent him. Foremost evidence is the proof of the laying of the hands as in 2 Timothy 1:6 – "I remind you to stir into flame the gift of God that you have through the imposition of my hands."

Your door, bro? It leads to nowhere. Hear the witness of these early Christians:

“In the Catholic Church, there are many other things which most justly keep me in her bosom. The consent of peoples and nations keeps me in the Church; so does her authority, inaugurated by miracles, nourished by hope, enlarged by love, established by age. The succession of priests keeps me, beginning from the very seat of the Apostle Peter, to whom the Lord, after His resurrection, gave it in charge to feed His sheep (Jn 21:15-19), down to the present episcopate.
“And so, lastly, does the very name of Catholic, which, not without reason, amid so many heresies, the Church has thus retained; so that, though all heretics wish to be called Catholics, yet when a stranger asks where the Catholic Church meets, no heretic will venture to point to his own chapel or house.
“Such then in number and importance are the precious ties belonging to the Christian name which keep a believer in the Catholic Church, as it is right they should...With you, where there is none of these things to attract or keep me... No one shall move me from the faith which binds my mind with ties so many and so strong to the Christian religion...For my part, I should not believe the gospel except as moved by the authority of the Catholic Church.�

- St. Augustine (AD 354-430 )
Against the Epistle of Manichaeus AD 397
[Contra Epistolam Manichaei Quam Vacant Fundamenti]


“If I am delayed, you will know how people ought to conduct themselves in God’s household, which is the church of the living God, the pillar and foundation of the truth� (but I thought the Bible was the sole foundation?)

St. Paul
1 Timothy 3:15


“Having founded and built the Church, the blessed apostles entrusted the episcopal office to Linus, who is mentioned by Paul in the Epistles to Timothy; Linus was succeeded by Anacletus; after him, in the third place from the apostles, the bishopric fell to Clement, who had seen the blessed apostles and conversed with them, and still had their preaching ringing in his ears and their authentic tradition before his eyes. And he was not the only one; there were still many people alive who had been taught by the apostles. . . . In the same order and the same succession the authentic tradition received from the apostles and passed down by the Church, and the preaching of the truth, have been handed on to us.�

St. Ireneaus (c. 130-200)
Against Heresies


“But look at the men who have those perverted notions about the grace of Jesus Christ which has come down to us, and see how contrary to the mind of God they are. . . . They even abstain from the Eucharist and from the public prayers, because they will not admit that the Eucharist is the self-same body of our Savior Jesus Christ which flesh suffered for our sins, and which the Father of His goodness raised up again.“

St. Ignatius of Antioch (d. AD 106; disciple of Peter and Paul)
Epistle to the Smyrnaeans


“It is to Peter himself that He says, ‘You are Peter, and upon this rock I will build My Church.’ Where Peter is, there is the Church. And where the Church, no death is there, but life eternal.�

St. Ambrose of Milan (c. a.d 340 - 397)
Commentaries on Twelve of David's Psalms


“He has come too near to the truth, and has forgotten that truth is a magnet, with the powers of attraction and repulsion. . . . The moment men cease to pull against [the Catholic Church] they feel a tug towards it. The moment they cease to shout it down they begin to listen to it with pleasure. The moment they try to be fair to it they begin to be fond of it. But when that affection has passed a certain point it begins to take on the tragic and menacing grandeur of a great love affair. . . . When he has entered the Church, he finds that the Church is much larger inside than it is outside.�

G. K. Chesterton
The Catholic Church and Conversion


“There are almost as many sects and beliefs as there are heads; this one will not admit Baptism; that one rejects the Sacrament of the altar; another places another world between the present one and the day of judgment; some teach that Jesus Christ is not God. There is not an individual, however clownish he may be, who does not claim to be inspired by the Holy Ghost, and who does not put forth as prophecies his ravings and dreams.�

Martin Luther


“I never approved of a schism, nor will I approve of it for all eternity. . . . That the Roman Church is more honored by God than all others is not to be doubted. St, Peter and St. Paul, forty-six Popes, some hundreds of thousands of martyrs, have laid down their lives in its communion, having overcome Hell and the world; so that the eyes of God rest on the Roman church with special favor. Though nowadays everything is in a wretched state, it is no ground for separating from the Church. On the contrary, the worse things are going, the more should we hold close to her, for it is not by separating from the Church that we can make her better. We must not separate from God on account of any work of the devil, nor cease to have fellowship with the children of God who are still abiding in the pale of Rome on account of the multitude of the ungodly. There is no sin, no amount of evil, which should be permitted to dissolve the bond of charity or break the bond of unity of the body. For love can do all things, and nothing is difficult to those who are united.�

Martin Luther to Pope Leo X, January 6, 1519
more than a year after the Ninety-Five Theses
quoted in The Facts about Luther, 356


“There is one God and one Christ, and one Church, and one Chair founded on Peter by the word of the Lord. It is not possible to set up another altar or for there to be another priesthood besides that one altar and that one priesthood. Whoever has gathered elsewhere is scattering.“

St. Cyprian of Carthage
Letter to his Clergy and to All His People


“The Church, having received this preaching and this faith, although scattered throughout the whole world, yet, as if occupying but one house, carefully preserves it. She also believes these points of doctrine just as if she had but one soul, and one and the same heart, and she proclaims them, and teaches them, and hands them down, with perfect harmony, as if she possessed only one mouth. For, although the languages of the world are dissimilar, yet the import of the tradition is one and the same. For the churches in Germany do not believe or hand down anything different, not do those in Spain, not those in Gaul, not those in the East, nor those in Egypt, nor those in Libya, nor those which have been established in the central regions [Palestine] of the world.�

St. Ireneaus (c. 130-200)
Against Heresies


“When therefore, we have such proofs, it is not necessary to seek among others the truth which is easily obtained from the Church. For the apostles, like a rich man in a bank, deposited with her [the Church] most copiously everything which pertains to the truth; and everyone whosoever wishes draws from her the drink of life. Let us suppose that the apostles had left us no written records. Would we not have been able to follow the precepts of the tradition that they handed down to those to whom they entrusted the Churches? It is this precept of tradition that is followed by many barbarian nations that believe in Christ who know nothing of the use of writing, or ink.�

St. Ireneaus (c. 130-200)
Against Heresies


“The Lord says to Peter: ‘I say to you,’ He says, ‘that you are Peter, and upon this rock I will build my Church, and the gates of hell will not overcome it. And to you I will give the keys of the kingdom of heaven: and whatever things you bind on earth shall be bound also in heaven, and whatever you loose on earth, they shall be loosed also in heaven.’ And again He says to him after His resurrection: ‘Feed my sheep.’ On him He builds the Church, and to him He gives the command to feed the sheep; and although He assigns a like power to all the Apostles, yet He founded a single chair, and He established by His own authority a source and an intrinsic reason for that unity. Indeed, the others were that also which Peter was; but a primacy is given to Peter, whereby it is made clear that there is but one Church and one chair. So too, all are shepherds, and the flock is shown to be one, fed by all the Apostles in single-minded accord. If someone does not hold fast to this unity of Peter, can he imagine that he still holds the faith? If he desert the chair of Peter upon whom the Church was built, can he still be confident that he is in the Church?�

St. Cyprian, AD 251
The Unity of the Catholic Church


"But since it would be too long to enumerate in such a volume as this the succession of all the churches, we shall confound all those who, in whatever manner, whether through self-satisfaction or vainglory, or through blindness and wicked opinion, assemble other than where it is proper, by pointing out here the successions of the bishops of the greatest and most ancient church known to all, founded and organized at Rome by the two most glorious apostles, Peter and Paul, that church which has the tradition and the faith which comes down to us after having been announced to men by the apostles. With that church, because of its superior origin, all the churches must agree, that is, all the faithful in the whole world, and it is in her that the faithful everywhere have maintained the apostolic tradition".

St. Irenaeus (disciple of Polycarp, disciple of John)
(Against Heresies 3:3:2 [A.D. 189]).

"Doctrine of the devil"

The Catholic Church imposes celibacy on her priest:
" The discipline of the Catholic Church has been exerted from the beginning in prohibiting priest to marry after their ordination. " (The Faith of Our Fathers. p32
But according to Apostle Paul, the prohibiton to marry is a doctrine of the devil:
" Now the spirit speaketh expressly, that in latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of the devils; "Forbidding to marry, and commanding to abstain from meats,which God hath created to be received with thanksgiving of them which believe and know the truth." (1 Tim. 4:1,3)

This is a very good example of selective reading and 'truncated' interpretation. How would you then square off that verse with the words of Jesus Christ Himself in Matthew 19:12 ("Some are incapable of marriage because they were born so; some, because they were made so by others; some, because they have renounced marriage 9 for the sake of the kingdom of heaven. Whoever can accept this ought to accept it."). How about what St. Paul said in 1 Corinthians 7:32-35 – "I should like you to be free of anxieties. An unmarried man is anxious about the things of the Lord, how he may please the Lord. But a married man is anxious about the things of the world, how he may please his wife, and he is divided. An unmarried woman or a virgin is anxious about the things of the Lord, so that she may be holy in both body and spirit. A married woman, on the other hand, is anxious about the things of the world, how she may please her husband. I am telling you this for your own benefit, not to impose a restraint upon you, but for the sake of propriety and adherence to the Lord without distraction." The worse will be your case if you continue the reading to verses 36 to 38 ("If anyone thinks he is behaving improperly toward his virgin, and if a critical moment has come and so it has to be, let him do as he wishes. He is committing no sin; let them get married. The one who stands firm in his resolve, however, who is not under compulsion but has power over his own will, and has made up his mind to keep his virgin, will be doing well. So then, the one who marries his virgin does well; the one who does not marry her will do better.").

In fact, Jeremiah the prophet was commanded by the Lord to be celibate (Jeremiah 16:1-2 – "This message came to me from the Lord: Do not marry any woman; you shall not have sons or daughters in this place…"). If celibacy is abhorrent to God, why did He commanded Jeremiah not to marry?

The Catholic Church commands its members to abstain from meat during Lent:
"The second precept is, To fast and abstain on the days appointed. By fast-days are meant days on which are allowed but one full meal; days of abstinence are those on which we are forbidden to eat meat but are allowed the usual number of meals. The Catholic Church commands us to fast and abtain in order that we may mortify our passion and satisfy for our sins. "(Rev. John A. O'Brien, Ph.D. The Faith of Millions, p.417)
But the Bible assures that such doctrine is devilish:
" Now the spirit speaketh expressly, that in latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils;
"Forbidding to marry, and commanding to abtain from meats, which God hath created to be received with thanksgiving of them which believe and know the truth." (1Tim.4:1,3,kjv)

Again, your familiar self-interpretation which is forbidden to Christians as can be read from 2 Peter 1:20 ("Know this first of all, that there is no prophecy of scripture that is a matter of personal interpretation..."). Let us first take a look at what happened to Nineveh (Jonah 3:4-10 – "Jonah began his journey through the city, and had gone but a single day's walk announcing, "Forty days more and Nineveh shall be destroyed," when the people of Nineveh believed God; they proclaimed a fast and all of them, great and small, put on sackcloth. When the news reached the king of Nineveh, he rose from his throne, laid aside his robe, covered himself with sackcloth, and sat in the ashes. Then he had this proclaimed throughout Nineveh, by decree of the king and his nobles: "Neither man nor beast, neither cattle nor sheep, shall taste anything; they shall not eat, nor shall they drink water. Man and beast shall be covered with sackcloth and call loudly to God; every man shall turn from his evil way and from the violence he has in hand. Who knows, God may relent and forgive, and withhold his blazing wrath, so that we shall not perish." When God saw by their actions how they turned from their evil way, he repented of the evil that he had threatened to do to them; he did not carry it out."). Is abstaining from food prohibited? What was the result of the abstinence? How about Matthew 4:2 ("He fasted for forty days and forty nights, and afterwards he was hungry.")? If abstinence is abhorrent, why did Jesus practice it?

Come on, bro. You can do better than this. Read the Scriptures.

[dacs]

To have faith in God and in Christ is not enough.Faith must be coupled with action or work, that is, specifically to enter Christ's true Church. To refuse to do so is to reject God's will.

Quite Catholic - to a point. Catholics do good works (i.e., charity) because they love God and that love manifest itself through charity to others. They are not taught to do it to enter His Church because, unless you are already in His Church, your 'good works' amount to nothing.

God considers any form of worship meaningless if it does not conform to his will.
Prophet Isaiah testifies:
" The Lord said, "These people claim to worship me, but their words are meaningless, and their hearts are somewhere else .Their religion is nothing but human rules and traditions."(Is.29:13)

Correct. Yet, remember that the book of Isaiah is an Old Testament book. How did the Israelites worship God during their time? They have priests and they have sacrifices --- as commanded by God. Yes, it was God who actually chose the Levites to be a priestly tribe. They have ceremonies. They have rituals. These same ceremonies and rituals were followed by Christ throught His life here on Earth. The most memorable of all is His last celebration of the Passover.

Human philosophies must not be the basis for worshiping God. The Creator does not allow that his words be supplanted with man-made teachings. To do so is to reject his precepts; and to reject his precepts is tantamount to rejecting God himself.

Bible-alone doctrine is unbiblical and indeed is a product of human philosophy. You should reject it. The Catholic Church is the pillar and foundation of truth (1 Timothy 3:15). She alone has the power to teach even the angels in heaven (Ephesians 3:10). Romans 13:1-2 – "Let every person be subordinate to the higher authorities, for there is no authority except from God, and those that exist have been established by God. Therefore, whoever resists authority opposes what God has appointed, and those who oppose it will bring judgment upon themselves." – says it well. Read the book of Acts, bro. There you will find that even St. Paul did not consider himself having the authority to pronounce doctrines and practices. Sts. Paul and Barnabas has to refer it to the rest of the apostles and as they traveled from city to city, they handed to the people for observance the decisions reached by the apostles and presbyters in Jerusalem (Acts 16:4).

[bfg9000]

They are not taught to do it to enter His Church because, unless you are already in His Church, your 'good works' amount to nothing.

Just curious... so what happened to all the good Buddhists, Taoists, Moslems, Jews, Zoroastrians, Protestants, and all the members of all other religions past and present who have died after having done "good works" in their lifetime? They all went to hell?

[estor_boot]

any1..

what can you say about the on-going public [televised] clash between Iglesia ni Christo and Ang Dating Daan?..i say that they are just diminishing their reputation as a Christian sect/church..both are pathetic.

i love watching it. its like watching one great reality show! especially when there will be a bogus debate in which Eli would just pick any of his member as his opponent and make it appeared like a member of other sects. wow!

[dacs]

Just curious... so what happened to all the good Buddhists, Taoists, Moslems, Jews, Zoroastrians, Protestants, and all the members of all other religions past and present who have died after having done "good works" in their lifetime? They all went to hell?

Let us first clarify what 'good works' means for a Catholic. Catholics understand 'good works' as charity (Latin : caritatem). This is different from philanthropy. Philanthropy is an active effort to promote human welfare (a definition from Merriam-Webster Online Dictionary). The end of such an effort then is the person being helped. In Christian charity, the end of such an act is God. The act is 'consummated' to manifest the love of the Christian toward God. Paragraph 1822 of the Catechism of the Catholic Church states that charity is the theological virtue by which we love God above all things for his own sake, and our neighbor as ourselves for the love of God. This theological virtue is discussed here in greater detail.

Regarding the question whether what happened to good Buddhists, Taoists, Moslems, Jews, Zoroastrians, Protestants, and all the members of all other religions past and present who have died after having done "good works" in their lifetime, let me provide a short answer. The late Catholic theologian, Fr. William Most, wrote about the doctrine that there is no salvation outside of the Church (i.e., extra Ecclesiam nulla salus). Click here. Another article on the same issue can be found here. The part that discusses the doctrine of extra Ecclesiam nulla salus can be found in section VI.

If you really are looking for the truth about this Catholic doctrine, you would read the two articles. I hope so. I pray so.