Catholic Church has billions invested in BPI, Philex, San Miguel

[tokidoki]

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in fairness pud with the Catholic Church, naa say ubang religions nga nangolekta ug kwarta... maayo na lang gani sa Catholic Church kay pwede ra piso imong ihug sa kolekta.. But sa ubang relihiyon, naa juy specific nga kwarta nga imong ihatag, like 10 percent, etc...

Bro, I respect your ideas but I would like to point out the "between the lines" with the RCC's subtleties. Walay fixed rate ang simbahan because DAGHAN man followers. Unlike those churches in the philippines where gamay ra ang ilang "flock" they require a fixed amount to insure their income. The church has the luxury to be lax in these collections but lately not anymore. It is no secret that the church currently suffers from dwindling collections every year.

Also, you have to clarify what you said. You said persecution from the Romans and you must remember your a talking about the ROMAN catholic church.

Hence, the same people who persecuted christians have assimilated their beliefs into their culture.

[miyay]

wow! millions of usd paid as settlements for abuses. CHILD SEXUAL ABUSE. wow!
so meaning part sa atong donations gigamit para pagpanalipod og mga molestors/rapists/pedophiles?!?

[koontz_circle]

Topic is about church's investments. Were talking about where our Donations go. IF theres information that the donation just ends up as settlement money for child abuse victims, then it is a big blow to the church as an institution.

Assuming settlements are made out of their investments for the wrongdoings by some priests, isn’t it their right to protect the rests of the priests nga walay gibuhat nga dautan, Knowing that the trust and confidence of people towards the Church had been tarnished as a whole?

I don't think people are expecting the church to be perfect. BUT we do expect these Church people to have a higher standard of morality since they themselves are supposed to be our role models and guides. In short, being good and doing good is their PROFESSION and is expected from them.

That is right. Mao bitaw gi correct nila everytime naay indignity nga involve ang pari, padayon japon sila sa ilang objective. Even the Pope admitted the weaknesses sa mga members sa Church. Continue sila sa pag serbisyo, commitment despite their flaws.

If you treat the church like any other organization like a corporation then it has a lot of unnecessary expenses due to violations from its employees. It should be a non profit organization, yet its employees are enriching themselves with fancy houses, cars and other expenses like support for the families of its employees. Despite being non-profit, It has amassed billions of pesos while millions of people are poor, hungry and suffering.

You have an issue with the system, not entirely with the Church.

IF the church was an organization.....it surely is being mismanaged.

An organization that knows how to invest is not a bad organization. Strong institution like the Church survives.

[redhorse1L]

naunsa na neh oi!
Catholic Hate thread naman neh??

[tokidoki]

Assuming settlements are made out of their investments for the wrongdoings by some priests, isn’t it their right to protect the rests of the priests nga walay gibuhat nga dautan, Knowing that the trust and confidence of people towards the Church had been tarnished as a whole?

This doesn't make sense to me. Why would you protect the GOOD priests with investments? If good sila then they do not need to be protected. We are at this point discussing that issue that part of that money is used to fund the BAD priest's lawsuits.

[tokidoki]

naunsa na neh oi!
Catholic Hate thread naman neh??

For the people who DO care bai, yes we CAN hate the church. For you who doesn't care you can always continue to give in to their manipulations.

Churches are a dying breed. Giving law to the then lawless land of the ancients and giving hope to the hopeless and ignorant.

The structure paradigm hasn't changed. Build mountains out of molehills and entrusting our faith to the divine.

If you are a person with low self esteem and no spine to make your own decisions, the church is for you. As if it wasn't enough that your mother was telling you how to run your life.

[necrotic freak]

^^pila na diay nahatag nimo sa church bai?

[koontz_circle]

This doesn't make sense to me. Why would you protect the GOOD priests with investments? If good sila then they do not need to be protected. We are at this point discussing that issue that part of that money is used to fund the BAD priest's lawsuits.

Not literally, what I’m trying to imply is that the organization aren’t gonna let the Church and their teachings fall down just because some of their members are doing faulty. using their financial flexibility to settle things up para dili pod tawn madamay ang mga buotan nga pari, the entire organization and their core mission is an astute move.

[vipvip68]

Assuming settlements are made out of their investments for the wrongdoings by some priests

If I gave you 100 pesos with the understanding that the money will go towards the poor, then you instead use the money in investments which earn you 10 pesos giving you 110 pesos total.

Does that give you the right to own the 10 pesos since the money used to earn that wasn't yours in the first place?

, isn’t it their right to protect the rests of the priests nga walay gibuhat nga dautan, Knowing that the trust and confidence of people towards the Church had been tarnished as a whole?

they can spend millions to protect themselves IF they really are innocent. BUT as we know, those who are guilty end up just paying off the child abuse victims and get transferred to another location.

That is right. Mao bitaw gi correct nila everytime naay indignity nga involve ang pari, padayon japon sila sa ilang objective. Even the Pope admitted the weaknesses sa mga members sa Church. Continue sila sa pag serbisyo, commitment despite their flaws.

You have an issue with the system, not entirely with the Church.

however you slice it.. they should do a better job. The current performance is unacceptable.

An organization that knows how to invest is not a bad organization. Strong institution like the Church survives.

So the gauge of your organization is in how much wealth it amasses and not in how it improves the community around it?

It may be that the church is more concerned with its survival than actually helping the poor that it would rather amass itself with wealth rather than use the money for helping people out of poverty.

[redhorse1L]

For the people who DO care bai, yes we CAN hate the church. For you who doesn't care you can always continue to give in to their manipulations.

Churches are a dying breed. Giving law to the then lawless land of the ancients and giving hope to the hopeless and ignorant.

The structure paradigm hasn't changed. Build mountains out of molehills and entrusting our faith to the divine.

Like what I've said, you're still trapped on the old notions about the Catholic church. Set aside Noli Me Tangere and El Filibus Tirismo. Check out Church's website so you would be fully updated with it's activities / programs.

If you are a person with low self esteem and no spine to make your own decisions, the church is for you. As if it wasn't enough that your mother was telling you how to run your life.

Yati ra! ang mosimba, mo-alagad, ug mo-donate sa simbahan mga low self esteem persons jud?
Kana si Bo Sanchez, usa pud na sa na-ilad sa mga Pari? Dako2x ra ba intawn na iyang gi-amot sa simbahan.

Kadaghan mga engineer, abogado, doctor nga Katoliko ah. And they're giving donations heartily. Mas bright pa diay ka nila kay wala "daw" ka magpa-ilad sa simbahan? ? ?