BEWARE OF PYRAMID SCHEMES posing as a legitimate MLM

[bugzbunny]

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gray_fox: If only ang Herbalife is retailed similarly to supplements, i'm sure daghang mopalit. Isn't it a wonder nganong dili i-retail?

And you can't claim mas daghang motuo the more nga modefend ka sa Herbalife, because wala gani gi-advertise sa Herbalife ilang products. Ang gi-advertise is ang company.

Analyze for yourself kinsa tong bilib kaayo sa Herbalife. It's not the consumers. it's the MEMBERS/ASSOCIATES. Kung bilib pa kaayo ang consumers sa product, angayan untang bisag ordinaryong labandera nga nibudlot ang tiyan sa katambok, makaila ana. Unfortunately, mas mopalit ang tawo ug Slenda ug Xenical. Why? Kay way hadlok-hadlok, ilang gipanghambog ilang product sa TV ug print ads. Which doesn't say the same for most MLMs, including Herbalife.

points for ncmknight.... cheers bro...

scam network marketing companies focus on people business and products are only there to make it legit kunuhay. just like Herbalife... its focus is people, and not products. plus... the products are highly jacked up compared to the UNILIVER products. Why compare it? because UNILIVER has a scientist/chemist/whatever lined up to make their products good but they sell it only cheap... while Herbalife has its scientist/whatever lined up but very high prices.

HERBALIFE cant even advertise localy. why exajurate localy? since herbalife is worldwide as they claim it... and DAKO kuno ug grabeh ang kwarta niani... why not advertise it localy? becuase they cant afford local advertisements. plain and simple...

karon pakita dayon sila ug pictures... and that is just what? PICTURE! not advertisement. why say that coz locally they cant even make a 5% advertisement... if naa man gani, gamay kaayo nga papel gikabit sa POSTE. tsk tsk tsk...

and they claim to be BIG... "whatever!"

[ncmknight]

obviously you dont know the products ug obviously wala nka apil sa among briefings and trainings since dli ka member or a customer. so its better kung dli nalng ka magpataka ug comments about Herbalife products.

FYI: Formula 1 Nutritional Shake is food. not a supplement.



opinion ra nah nimo bro. how would you know? nka apil ka sa Herbalife? obviously wala.



bro, kung member nka, why would you want to watch the jersey kung kabalo nka what is Herbalife is all about? hmmm....i guess wala ni nasulod nga thought sa imoha noh? hehehe...

its an advertisment bro. klaro ana.

you said earlier that ang Herbalife has money to sponsor LA Galaxy and yet you don't believe its comming from the products. asa man diay nila kuhaa ang kwarta bro.... nangawat sila sa reserve gold sa US? or gi magic? hehe. huna hunaa ug tarong bro. remember, naa ta sa real life ron. wala ta sa fantasy. dli makit-an ang kwarta sa mga dan nga imong gi agi-an ra. you have to work for it.



it doesn't matter kung asa ang mo daghan its either customers or the distributors. Herbalife's goal is to help people who wants to lose/gain weight and regain back their health. its as simple as that.

like i said... kung walay au ang products as what you said... wala na unta Herbalife ron. kung daghan nag complain sa Herbalife Products, then close down na unta ang company. and yet more people are still using them everyday because ingon ana ka effective ang products. ayaw lisod lisura imong utok ug huna² bro. naa ra dha ang tubag sa imong atubangan pero ang problema ninyo kay naa mo nag tan-aw sa layo.

Are your products really worth their price? I expect a grossly overpriced product to be excellent, not just good, especially kanang ga-preach sa iyang goodness inig katiguwang nato.

Of course motan-aw ang member sa jersey ni Beckham. Di ba mao na ang ipanghambog sa mga members sa ilang prospects (or victims) para makailad, ug mo-sign up? Without sa enthusiasm sa recruiters, no one cares about what's written sa jersey, in fact DB doesn't even care, as long as mokita siya. Asa gikan ang kwarta sa sponsorship? Obviously gamay kaayo mga percentage sa sales ug dako nga percentage sa recruitment.

Since you preach so much about having many end-users, I hope to see your product creating some noise, bisag diri lang sa Sanciangko, kay ang siomai gani nga bag-o pa gibaligya diri, sikat na man kaayo, kay gawas nga lami, barato pa gyud. I dunno nganong sa kadugay sa Herbalife diri sa Cebu, wa gani manimaho. There must be something, or there must be nothing in it, or there must be a very good reason nganong wala gi-advertise. INFERIOR quality based on the PRODUCT PRICE perhaps? More like getting a nice automatic multicab for the price of a Brand new Pajero?

Hangtod karon wa pa gyud intawon gasangyaw bisag sa Ayala na lang about aning Herbalife. Are you up to the challenge to change the perception of majority of Cebuanos nga ang HERBALIFE IS XXXXXXXXXX PERCENT RECRUITMENT and only X PERCENT SALES

[ncmknight]

Sa kadugay natong gasigeg post og rebuttals diri, ang panahon nga imong gi-post ug reply, inyo pa lang nang gi-advertise sa TV ug sa radyo? Tingali daghan nang nakaila ug namalit ana karon.

Gausik lang mog oras anang word of mouth advertising sa ingon anang klase nga product. Hain na ang kwarta sa Herbalife nga giduwa-duwa sa Stock Market? Syaro walay naka-suggest nga iadvertise sa TV ug radyo? Or tingali gituyo kay ... mabuking.

[Gray_Fox]

points for ncmknight.... cheers bro...
scam network marketing companies focus on people business and products are only there to make it legit kunuhay. just like Herbalife... its focus is people, and not products. plus... the products are highly jacked up compared to the UNILIVER products. Why compare it? because UNILIVER has a scientist/chemist/whatever lined up to make their products good but they sell it only cheap... while Herbalife has its scientist/whatever lined up but very high prices.

hmm.. like i said so many times and yet you guys are pretty stubborn.. if you just research on Herbalife. then you can't say things like these.

let me explain a small detail on our marketing scheme since i think this is the common mistakes of thinking Herbalife is a Networking using pyramid or binary and yes you guys are way too wrong about it because like i said so many times, Herbalife is a Network Marketing and yes.... nagpaka-uwaw ra jud tawn mo kay mga swito kaau mo murag kamo ang tag-iya sa Herbalife. nya wala mo nag research ug tarong nya nagpataka lang mo ug yawit dri. nyahahahaha

so here goes: (ill choose Mr. X as the distributor and Mr. Y is his customer)

when Mr. X sells the products to Mr. Y. when Mr. Y is satisfied w/ the products, he wants to reorder again. Mr. X recruits him to become a distributor and told Mr. Y what are the advantages of being a distributor. Mr. Y agreed so he becomes a downline of Mr. X.

Question: do you think Mr. X automatically gets even a single centavo when Mr. Y becomes his downline?
Answer: No

Question: how can you earn then?
Answer: when Mr. Y orders the products, thats how Mr. X gets his commission.

Question: Mr. Y dont know how to sell the products or how to recruit. how can he earn money?
Answer: there are 2 ways....
1.) attend free trainnings every Saturday
2.) when people notice you lose weight, people will ask how you do it... so business comes in naturally. for more info... join our Business Opportunity Meeting.

so basically... nagpataka ra mo. Since Network Marketing ang Herbalife, dha mi sa products nag concentrate. pag sure sad cguro mo wui...

EDIT: for me, this is better than Networking Business aside from its scams. if you dont have new recruits and your downlines dont have recruits also in a month in Networking Business, then you get Zero. but here in Herbalife, even you can't recruit or sold the products in a month same with your downlines, at least your downlines will purchase the products like the rest of the distributors so you can still earn money.

HERBALIFE cant even advertise localy. why exajurate localy? since herbalife is worldwide as they claim it... and DAKO kuno ug grabeh ang kwarta niani... why not advertise it localy? becuase they cant afford local advertisements. plain and simple...

pls back read nalng bro. kafoi na tubag ug balik² nga issue.

karon pakita dayon sila ug pictures... and that is just what? PICTURE! not advertisement. why say that coz locally they cant even make a 5% advertisement... if naa man gani, gamay kaayo nga papel gikabit sa POSTE. tsk tsk tsk...

pictures are evidence. duh!

and they claim to be BIG... "whatever!"

its just that there are 80 million satisfied customers worldwide for now and it's growing. so yeah.... you do the math.

i think its useless to talk to people here since balik² ra ang issues nya murag dli jud masulod sa ilang utok ang mga important things sa ilang ka debate eg. Herbalife is Network Marketing and yet... mo balik nsad sa issue about pyramiding... hahayz... nya mga swito sad kaau. daghan buot buot. puros pataka lang ug storya. mayta matubu-an mo ug utok tawn wui... hehehe. kafoi na jud cge balik² sa issues. CIAO everyone.

[ncmknight]

Kinda funny how some hard facts are given a distorted explanation to suit a non-pyramiding scheme.

In truth, Mr. X doesn't sell to Mr. Y. He recruits Mr. Y who places his order. Now Mr. X gets his commission from the order of Mr. Y, which he doesn't really sell, but pays up to become a distributor. Mr. X encourages Mr. Y, not to sell, but to recruit more downlines who can purchase outright, so he too can get his commission or investment back. There is no actual selling. It's recruitment for eternity.

Who's Herbalife fooling This is an obvious distortion of a simple explanation to hide a pyramid scheme

No wonder all those who've come to invite me to Herbalife never introduced me to the product properly. They're more concerned with how many downlines I can produce.

Now care to explain why Herbalife finds it so difficult to advertise in the TV and Radio? It must be really hard when you got many things to hide, especially when it flares up some old issues like class suits filed by your own distributors and many that have been duped.

And 1% of the entire Herbalife population earning for the company is not exactly what you would call successful in terms of sales.


If Avon or Natasha worked this way, they'd be long dead by now.

[Gray_Fox]

Kinda funny how some hard facts are given a distorted explanation to suit a non-pyramiding scheme.

In truth, Mr. X doesn't sell to Mr. Y. He recruits Mr. Y who places his order. Now Mr. X gets his commission from the order of Mr. Y, which he doesn't really sell, but pays up to become a distributor. Mr. X encourages Mr. Y, not to sell, but to recruit more downlines who can purchase outright, so he too can get his commission or investment back. There is no actual selling. It's recruitment for eternity.

Who's Herbalife fooling This is an obvious distortion of a simple explanation to hide a pyramid scheme

take a pause and try to think clearly, if the products works on you, its pretty much clear you want to order more. and becoming a distributor is the only way to avail the discounts. its up to the distributors if they want to sell the products or they just want to take the advantage of discounts. we're not forcing them. and like i said... recruiting people wont give a single centavo to its recruiter. i believe i already explained this before this post.

No wonder all those who've come to invite me to Herbalife never introduced me to the product properly. They're more concerned with how many downlines I can produce.

maybe they're practical. Filipinos are more concern of making money than their health. but along the way, being a distributor, you need to use the products inside your IBP (International Business Pack) so yeah... all distributor knows what's the difference between using or w/o using Herbalife products.

Now care to explain why Herbalife finds it so difficult to advertise in the TV and Radio? It must be really hard when you got many things to hide, especially when it flares up some old issues like class suits filed by your own distributors and many that have been duped.

And 1% of the entire Herbalife population earning for the company is not exactly what you would call successful in terms of sales.

ok. this is the last time i will answer this issue coz its kinda boring. How about when LA Galaxy Played in the soccer field? they have Herbalife on their Jersey. That is a type of TV advertisement. please use your head. not your mouth or fingers i mean...not just LA Galaxy. if you guys research on the net. there are lots of sports not just LA Galaxy sponsored by Herbalife so it means... its not just in Soccer that Herbalife is being advertise on TV.

you doubt that Herbalife is successful? very much successful indeed. how can they sponsor LA Galaxy if they can't even make money out of their own company? i believe i already ask plenty of times to anti-Herbalife on this thread and yet no one answered this question yet. care to answer this question now?

[bugzbunny]

Kinda funny how some hard facts are given a distorted explanation to suit a non-pyramiding scheme.

In truth, Mr. X doesn't sell to Mr. Y. He recruits Mr. Y who places his order. Now Mr. X gets his commission from the order of Mr. Y, which he doesn't really sell, but pays up to become a distributor. Mr. X encourages Mr. Y, not to sell, but to recruit more downlines who can purchase outright, so he too can get his commission or investment back. There is no actual selling. It's recruitment for eternity.

Who's Herbalife fooling This is an obvious distortion of a simple explanation to hide a pyramid scheme

No wonder all those who've come to invite me to Herbalife never introduced me to the product properly. They're more concerned with how many downlines I can produce.

Now care to explain why Herbalife finds it so difficult to advertise in the TV and Radio? It must be really hard when you got many things to hide, especially when it flares up some old issues like class suits filed by your own distributors and many that have been duped.

And 1% of the entire Herbalife population earning for the company is not exactly what you would call successful in terms of sales.


If Avon or Natasha worked this way, they'd be long dead by now.

yup yup yup... PERFECTLY CORRECT... and mr Herbalife explained it well... down to the perfect point. hahahaha. "busted"

[Gray_Fox]

yup yup yup... PERFECTLY CORRECT... and mr Herbalife explained it well... down to the perfect point. hahahaha. "busted"

lol? he misunderstand my post. i already explained it well on my last post.

ok... its been fun debating with you guys. but everything posted for anti-herbalife are all opinions. if you back read, most of them kay nag buot² or nagpa aron ingnon nga swito daw sila so i have to correct them so people wont confuse. so its better if you join our Business Opportunity Meetings and judge it for yourself. i hope you guys are not afraid to know the truth that Herbalife is very Legit and a very successful business. so its your call.

[bugzbunny]

pls back read nalng bro. kafoi na tubag ug balik² nga issue.

Oo... kay imong explanation is what most SCAM companies i've heard about.. why should i(that's WE) listen to it? its a SCAM anyways... nyahahaha...

pictures are evidence. duh!

yup, evidence how they cant afford local advertisements. nyahahaha...

its just that there are 80 million satisfied customers worldwide for now and it's growing. so yeah.... you do the math.

math... Oo... like the number of people no longer using HERBALIFE products because they were just USED-UP... you should know how to count them right? since you know mathematics.. nyahahahaha.


Lain maoy ato:
AVON & NATASHA products dont need to say they arent scam... products show that they are not.. now that is what i call NETWORK Marketing.

[bugzbunny]

lol? he misunderstand my post. i already explained it well on my last post.

ok... its been fun debating with you guys. but everything posted for anti-herbalife are all opinions. if you back read, most of them kay nag buot² or nagpa aron ingnon nga swito daw sila so i have to correct them so people wont confuse. so its better if you join our Business Opportunity Meetings and judge it for yourself. i hope you guys are not afraid to know the truth that Herbalife is very Legit and a very successful business. so its your call.

it was never mis-understood... you said it right... that what your doing is what most SCAM companies are doing.... nyahahahaha.