Why Is God Always Innocent?

[josephdc]

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yes that's correct. do you seriously believe everything that was written in the Bible? if so, what makes any other mythical books mythical, and the Bible NOT mythical as what you are trying to claim?

But you were the one who brought up the idea that the Bible contains stories that are myths, didn't you? You made that assumption and it is up to you to give your reasons why you think that's true.

i believe in a historical Jesus but the divinity of Jesus is better viewed as sleight of hand.

Why do you think it's better viewed that way? Why think it's a "sleight of hand"?

it was a response to one poster here who implied that GOD wasn't toying, so I responded, what could his other reasons be besides toying?

I don't know. I don't presume to know what God's reasons are. On the other hand, you claimed in effect that you do know what His motives are, and that is to toy with Abraham's emotions, didn't you? So why do you think that that was His motive?

well, bro, it could be only a day or four days, who knows? it was written, we don't have evidence that it actually happened. but if ever it did, and it took only a day, then i'm saying yes, it is scientifically possible. but FOUR DAYS?? you just made the story of Lazarus more fake than it already is.

Yes, so if it did happen, it was literally a miracle right? So the so-called Lazarus syndrome that you brought up cannot account for what happened to Lazarus in the gospel account.

four days? come on bro, a person who's been dead for FOUR DAYS will NEVER come back to life. have you ever done CPR on someone? you will realize how hard it is to resuscitate a person whose heart stopped beating for just a FEW SECONDS---what more FOUR DAYS. now put on the critical thinking cap, a person's been dead for FOUR DAYS, and he comes back to life? to make it worse, Jesus said abrakadabra and there he was, alive and well. what a good BS story.

well, like they say, put the faith card out and ANYTHING is possible. LOL.

Yes, it's not possible scientifically. So if it did happen, it was literally a miracle, right?

You mentioned earlier that accounts like these in the Bible couldn't have happened. You're saying that they couldn't have happened because these events involve miracles, and miracles cannot happen, right?

[josephdc]

yeah, but all you do is ask and not explain. it already comes down to being annoying. no offense. but hey, i'll still answer your question since i have nothing to do as of the moment. am i saying that religious people are brainwashed? yes. do i see religion itself as a brainwashing organization? heck yes!

I'm sorry, I have no intention of annoying you at all.

That's exactly my point, when you make claims such as "religion brainwashes people", etc., you shoulder the burden of proving your conclusion, so it's only reasonable that I ask why you believe that's true. Otherwise, you're not really making an argument, you're only expressing an unwarranted opinion.

So why do you say that religious people are "brainwashed" or that religion "brainwashes" people?

[josephdc]

let me make this clear. i don't ever claim that GOD didn't do it. on the other hand, i'm not also claiming GOD did it. if you read my first post, i am merely making a valid point---which is that, why is that when good things happen it's always GOD, but when it's bad, he always seems to be innocent. do you see the contrast bro? it is a valid point directed towards a society who believes in a GOD who does anything possible.

You seemed to imply that God was responsible for those calamities. Okay, I stand corrected. So you're not saying that God is not responsible, and you're also not saying that He is responsible. So you're position is neutral...

[Hellblazer 2.1]

By that bro do you mean that good and evil are just relative terms and are not really objective?

So when things like tsunamis and earthquakes happen and people suffer, one can't really say it's evil because "evil" is just a label?

If that's the case, why do we assess whether God is innocent or not when "evil" is just a relative term, so that some people may see God as "guilty" while others may see Him as "innocent", but in the end no one is really right about his or her own judgment?

the whole idea of assigning an Entity to a calamity or good fortune is a story told by our forefathers and transmitted to generation to generation. but we never dared to ask if these stories are historical or fictional, or at its best mythological. there could be a million reasons why calamities or good fortunes happen. why of all the reasons should the "usual suspect" always be God? the only answer to the question is that we are conditioned to think it is so by our religions.

[munzter666]

What do you mean, what claims are you referring to?

my answer to your previous question was a QUESTION.

Are you saying then bro that the leaders of the Church are deranged or malevolent?

how do you know they are? how do you know they are NOT? if one keeps pulling the faith card...one blissfully complies. like those guys who drank the kool aid mix.

[Tirong-say]

yeps, follow the blood trails from the Old to New Testament.

Man's contribution, a perceived righteous deeds by establishing a unified body of righteousness, but no commandment from GOD to do so, it is essentially of Man's deeds.

[Tirong-say]

ot: kinsay kita sa history channel about moses? ingon ngadto na si moses is a hired mercenary. his army looted some villages of egypt which was why ramses II(?) went after him. the red sea was actually the sea of reeds, it can be crossed kung maglow tide. not sure on the veracity of these claims, though.

No biblical accounts, it could be another "some place", Ramses just want to keep the slaves, but Moses wishes to emancipate them.

[josephdc]

.. the all important scapegoat line

god moves in mysterious ways

.. i dont know why some people here still defend "god" when it's very clear that IF there is a God then he really doesnt care about humans or his creations in general.

.. ok, here's one example ..

.. when i took the board exam, we have one classmate who is very religious and during our review, she always goes to church and prays and do novenas and reads her notes seriously. But, she failed the exam. WHY Why is that so Why didn't God answered her prayers

.. and here I am, a freaking atheist, i broke every myth during the exam, I never went to church nor ask God for guidance, of course, coz I dont believe in god and I barely studied. But I passed the stupid board exam.

... why is that ??

How do you know that God doesn't have a reason for not answering your classmate's prayers bro? It could be that she was really not that prepared to take the exam, or maybe she was not in the proper mindset when taking the exam. There could be many reasons why she did not pass.

[josephdc]

the whole idea of assigning an Entity to a calamity or good fortune is a story told by our forefathers and transmitted to generation to generation. but we never dared to ask if these stories are historical or fictional, or at its best mythological. there could be a million reasons why calamities or good fortunes happen. why of all the reasons should the "usual suspect" always be God? the only answer to the question is that we are conditioned to think it is so by our religions.

I think that some atheists tend to blame God whenever evil things happen. If God does not exist, then I don't see why there should be any problem for them in light of their worldview of naturalism. If God does not exist, then the "evil" things that happen in the world are just the result of natural phenomena like earthquakes and tsunamis. But the fact is, evil does exist, so the problem of evil and suffering is not just a problem for the theist, it's also a problem for the atheist (perhaps a more difficult problem).

But I don't understand how that is related to what you said, that "good" and "evil" are just labels.

[bcasabee]

Yeah, this has been asked many many times already, by many people through out the ages. Honestly, I don't have the exact answer either. It is even asked by the convicted criminal when Jesus was hanging on the cross, he said something like "hey, if you were God, help yourself and us and continued to fool himself". The other criminal though didn't point finger instead he acknowledges that he is the one to blame for the mess he is in.