Mga Cebuano proud ba ni Winston Garcia?

[higanstolsdawen]

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it's not only about the understanding the meaning via one word or phrase alone like in a dictionary.

yes, analogy can also be described as a way of comparison but it's getting the proper context of the term. analogy is a rhetorical way of comparing things i.e. metaphors, similes, allegories, and parables, and sometimes by way of inductive and deductive reasoning. While a simple comparison is talking in concrete mathematical terms such as inequality/equality (<,>,=).

anyways, more on inductive/deductive reasoning to akoa to prove a point (many points actually).

you cannot say GSIS salaries should be equal to teachers pay coz GSIS is a GOCC and is not covered by SSL. unless u want to change, amend or upgrade the SSL mismo. and i already explained it via analogy or inductive reasoning.

i know and understand that what u imply is that it is quite unfair for GSIS employees for having high salaries, but they didn't violate any law or ethical issues for that matter. ang mas sakto, u should direct ur complaint against the SSL mismo, not against GSIS or any other GOCCs for that matter. gets?



and who said that kutob ra 10 yrs ang pension sa imong mama? c Winston diay? di ba ang front desk or cust service man? so why ur ire ur Winston when ur ire is supposed to be directed at those staffs below him. did u even bother to make a formal complaint regarding that matter? I'm afraid u didn't. basically, that is a problem within their level and not the level of a GSIS President to tackle with.

coz if ur mom's pension says it is lifetime, it is lifetime and not 10 yrs only. so if we take another analogy, kung naa ka sa Jollibee Colon Branch complaining about the service, u get their supervisor or branch manager and complain about the crew's service. You don't have to complain it to Jollibee Manila, or worse, maglagot ka sa National Sales Manager or something like that.

another example: if u got a beef w/ the service, u first complain to the supervisor ky nglagot ka sa tawo under him. if it doesn't work out, then u go to their manager ky naglagot ka sa supervisor ug tawo under him. if still it doesn't work, u go to their regional manager ky nglagot ka sa usa ka manager under him. if still not, then u go to their national manager ky nglagot ka sa regional manager.

dili ky tungod naglagot ka sa serbisyo sa usa ka GSIS staff or a GSIS branch , maglagot nlng pud ka sa Presidente sa tibuok GSIS or sa tibuok GSIS mismo...

duha ka radio station gepangayoan ug tabang sa akung mama para mureklamo. kay kung adto siya sa gsis dili man siya tagdon, engnun raman nga huwaton lang ang pension kay muabot ra. usa ka komentarista sa radyo ang nakigstorya sa official sa gsis para efollow up ang status sa pension. kay kung taga radyo gani manawag nila automatic man aksyonan man dayon. ang tubag geusab sa taga manila ang policy regarding sa iyang pension. kinsa man ang pinakadakong tai diha sa GSIS para mousab ane nga policy? di ba si Winston Garcia? or adto ko maglagot sa whole GSIS kay lousy kaayo ilang serbisyo?

[cdburgh]

duha ka radio station gepangayoan ug tabang sa akung mama para mureklamo. kay kung adto siya sa gsis dili man siya tagdon, engnun raman nga huwaton lang ang pension kay muabot ra. usa ka komentarista sa radyo ang nakigstorya sa official sa gsis para efollow up ang status sa pension. kay kung taga radyo gani manawag nila automatic man aksyonan man dayon. ang tubag geusab sa taga manila ang policy regarding sa iyang pension. kinsa man ang pinakadakong tai diha sa GSIS para mousab ane nga policy? di ba si Winston Garcia? or adto ko maglagot sa whole GSIS kay lousy kaayo ilang serbisyo?

korek bro, mao sad na sulti sa ako neighbor. after getting a run-around by GSIS here in cebu and in manila, nagpasahay sila and in the end niangkon na gyud na giusab ang pension policy ang resulta nitaas daw ang savings sa GSIS and nihatag pa man gani daw to billions sa malacanang. luoya sa mga elderly pensioner nga nagkagidlay support sa ilang medical expenses.

[giddyboy]

isn't it you guys the ones who brought up the salaries issue? funny, i shared my opinion and got accused of singling out GSIS. hahaha

if it's not u, then sorry for that mistake.

if it is not flawed, it doesn't need fine tuning. so stop telling us that it is not flawed. consult your dictionary again and check the meaning of flaw and perfect. that may enlighten you.

again, let us correctly bring the term "flaw" in the proper context of usage in this topic. it is also prudent to know what type and degree of supposed flaw we are talking about. yes, if we say there is no perfect law, then by logic, it is imperfect or not flawless, ryt? that is ur argument to which i would have to agree.

but what we are talking about here is a law whether to throw it out or just upgrade. so hello! reality check here. did the SSL ever been thrown out? wala. in fact all they did was just upgrade it.

you agree with me then that there is no cap? it's clear that there's no cap at the moment. AO 103 do not set a cap. even if WG cuts his pay, it doesnt mean there is a cap. not unless SB 1790 becomes a law, nothing can stop the GOCC to set higher pay package to its employees.

no i do not agree there is no cap. why? again, let's put the term in proper context. i am making the term synonymous w/ "limit". the slash in their executive pay via the AO is already a limiting act. it's because they can no longer do anything about it by increasing it. as i said before, the AO only allows the President to set limits on the compensation and can change if she wants it there and then.

that's why a law has to be passed in order to standardize all these. gets?

that is why Nograles has called on Congress to step in and institute amendments to existing charters of GFI's and GOCCs which have been exempted from the Compensation Classification System of the Salary Standardization Law; and, thereafter, pass a law standardizing the salaries of GOCC and GFI employees and executives.

and didn't u just read to what i'm saying? the GOCC's can no longer set higher pay package to its employees because Gloria has made it clear as one of her efforts for austerity and rationalization. and if these GOCC heads will defy her order, they get fired.

you just said that SSL is being fine tuned ergo it's broken, now their fixing it. now you're saying that "if it's not broken, why fix or replace it? ". let me guess, i think it's broken.
we all know that SSL do not cover GOCCs, their is a big disparity between the salries of GOCC and regular line agencies. if they really want to fix that, make a law that covers GOCCs and the agencies. why upgrade the old PC when you can get a new one for the same price? common sense 101.

wa gihapon ka ka G noh? another analogy: your cellphone. let's just assume u want to keep this cellphone for life in order to make this analogy closer to the issue.

your cellphone is OK but u r not contented w/ the firmware. so u plan to upgrade ur firmware to a new version to satisfy urself w/ whatever new apps it has in store...that's what im saying. why do u have to get a new cellphone if u only wanted to get a new firmware? common sense 101 and reality check 101.

u also did not get the old saying do u? "if it's not broken, why fix it?" means if the item in question cannot function anymore. (if the SLL cannot function anymore) another wrong context u got there.

and to think we are only talking about SSL here for teachers and other gov't agencies covered by it.

in all honesty, actually there is no SSL yet for GOCC's. and that's another cellphone in the making.

that's why i said ur complaint against GSIS and all other GOCC salaries are valid. efforts have been done to address it. don't single out GSIS only...otherwise u will only be making a selective objection.

[cdburgh]

if it's not u, then sorry for that mistake.

ok.

again, let us correctly bring the term "flaw" in the proper context of usage in this topic. it is also prudent to know what type and degree of supposed flaw we are talking about. yes, if we say there is no perfect law, then by logic, it is imperfect or not flawless, ryt? that is ur argument to which i would have to agree.

but what we are talking about here is a law whether to throw it out or just upgrade. so hello! reality check here. did the SSL ever been thrown out? wala. in fact all they did was just upgrade it.

hello, if it's not perfect then it's flawed.simple. i do not want to subscribe to your definition of flaw. no matter what degree, it is still flawed. when you start creating degrees or level of flaws, that will create confusions and misinterpretations. so hello, bad idea.

no i do not agree there is no cap. why? again, let's put the term in proper context. i am making the term synonymous w/ "limit". the slash in their executive pay via the AO is already a limiting act. it's because they can no longer do anything about it by increasing it. as i said before, the AO only allows the President to set limits on the compensation and can change if she wants it there and then.

cap = limit. ok, fine. but what is the limit? show me.

that's why a law has to be passed in order to standardize all these. gets?

didn't you think that i got that already? they are fixing the flawed SSL law. gets!

that is why Nograles has called on Congress to step in and institute amendments to existing charters of GFI's and GOCCs which have been exempted from the Compensation Classification System of the Salary Standardization Law; and, thereafter, pass a law standardizing the salaries of GOCC and GFI employees and executives.

good and not until correcting laws are made, government employees will just have to envy those in the GOCCs.

wa gihapon ka ka G noh? another analogy: your cellphone. let's just assume u want to keep this cellphone for life in order to make this analogy closer to the issue.

your cellphone is OK but u r not contented w/ the firmware. so u plan to upgrade ur firmware to a new version to satisfy urself w/ whatever new apps it has in store...that's what im saying. why do u have to get a new cellphone if u only needed to get a new firmware?

u also did not get the old saying do u? "if it's not broken, why fix it?" means the item in question cannot function anymore. another wrong context u got there.

oh, you're analogy is so sentimental. why would i keep a cellphone that's giving me a problem? i can buy a new one with the same amount for fixing an old phone. i'm sure you would want a new phone than keep an old phone. do not fool me that the SSL is not broken when they are already trying to fix it. you're trying so hard to make the old saying "if it's not broken, why fix it?" applicable here, well, my man, it is not applicable here unless you see thing that everything is well. a totally wrong and poor appreciation of what is happening.

[giddyboy]

ok.

hello, if it's not perfect then it's flawed.simple. i do not want to subscribe to your definition of flaw. no matter what degree, it is still flawed. when you start creating degrees or level of flaws, that will create confusions and misinterpretations. so hello, bad idea.

all laws are not perfect, right? i don't have any arguments against that. heck u can even say our entire Constitution has flaws! no question about that.

but the question is, is the flaw making the law non-functional, ineffective, or other adjectives like those so that a replacement has to be made? or is it just something that only needs an upgrade?

remember, we are talking about SSL here. what is the main issue here? The current disparity of salaries. as i said before, the current disparity of salaries between some gov't workers and private sector was never a flaw. dili na cya mistake or sayop sa balaud. gets? ang ila lang gusto ipa upgrade ang salary matrix para mka apas cla sa private sector ug para dili na manglupad sa laing nasud ang mga titser mag DH or mga public doctors mag nurse. wa gihapon ka kasabot?

cap = limit. ok, fine. but what is the limit? show me.

i think they are cutting their pay in half. i asked my mom about it coz she's in the gov't.

didn't you think that i got that already? they are fixing the flawed SSL law. gets!

no, u still didn't get it. they are making another salary standardization law for GOCC's and GFI's.

oh, you're analogy is so sentimental. why would i keep a cellphone that's giving me a problem? i can buy a new one with the same amount for fixing an old phone. i'm sure you would want a new phone than keep an old phone. do not fool me that the SSL is not broken when they are already trying to fix it. you're trying so hard to make the old saying "if it's not broken, why fix it?" applicable here, well, my man, it is not applicable here unless you see thing that everything is well. a totally wrong and poor appreciation of what is happening.

my analogy is clear but obviously u just refuse to understand and instead force the issue that the SSL is broken. it is not. proof that it is not broken is that it is still there. do u even know unsa ray ilang gi usab sa SSL? all they did was just change the numbers in the salary matrix. mura bag pletehan sa jeepney ba usbon ang matrix sa LTFRB. kana dili gihapon klaro? another analogy nana ha.

again, just like a GOOD WORKING CELLPHONE. u only wanted a new software to replace ur old software in order to get new apps. u only need to download the new firmware and install it into ur phone. then viola! unsa pamay gastohan nimo ana?!? effort ra. and remember, that old software was upgraded not because there is a flaw but due to your demand for new apps. di gihapon klaro?

why do u have to replace it w/ a new cellphone? where's the sense in that?

[giddyboy]

Anyone of you can name me someone who has done better than Winston during his term of office as GSIS president? Imbis mag cge ug kiaw2x let let us know, if nobody has done better than him in GSIS then I should be proud of him.....nobody is perfect so if some of us may think he should do that, do this blahblah, but overall GSIS has improved A LOt...thru Winston's efforts, and he is a Cebuano so we from Cebu should be proud....

amen to that. name me any past GSIS President who has done better than Winston and i will take back my supporting him. in fact, if not for Winston, GSIS had been bankrupt na unta years ago pa and should be facing the same demise as with CAP and PEP, facing tons of lawsuits. but look now, due to WG's presence there, GSIS is one of the best performing GOCC's so far, a feat nobody has done by previous GSIS Presidents. if and only if there is a local counterpart of Guinness World records, GSIS will be surely in it!

but this is not to deny that there are still problems bugging GSIS like their computerized system. but in fairness, we should bark more at IBM instead who gave GSIS a run of the money by promising a good system when in fact all we got is a problematic one later on. and who would have thought IBM w/ a solid international reputation can f*ck up big time?

nakaila lang ko anang winston garcia tungod sa mga coruption issue niya
no comment

corruption issues that still remains an allegation up to now...unfortunately, w/ today's mentality thanks to the media and partisanship, an allegation is as good as a guilty verdict nowadays...

[mishyl]

i don't like politics.

[johnjhet2012]

Dili gyud ko proud, kai nag hatag lang na og bati nga imahi sa taga cebu, nalambigit sa mga anomaliya.

[giddyboy]

Dili gyud ko proud, kai nag hatag lang na og bati nga imahi sa taga cebu, nalambigit sa mga anomaliya.

again, corruption issues that still remains an allegation up to now...

just because one is accused of anomaliya or corruption means guilty na cya. just check the people behind this allegation or their effort to oust him. it says a lot of things...left-wingers, caught-in-the-act insider scammers, Manilenyos w/ superiority complex, crabs, to name a few...

mao nka ingon btaw ko, w/ today's mentality thanks to the media (like that feeling-superior National Press Club in Manila) and partisans (like JDV et al), an allegation is as good as a guilty verdict nowadays...if some Cebuanos have this thinking already, that goes to show these propagandists already won against Winston Garcia. kaluoy pud niya oi gisamotan ug duso paubos sa iyang ubang isig Sugbuhanon.

Politics is a game of perception man gud. way dag-anan ang Cebuano basta ibutang nka sa teritoryo sa Manila...they look down on you as a Promdi...and the more u stand up against them, the more mura rakag gahikug.

i don't hate Manilenyos. it's just that a lot of them think that way. even if they tell u "oh from Cebu palaka? rich ka noh..." but in the back of their mind they are saying "Promdi pa rin, baka mg apply dito pgka maid or taxi driver ay". anyways....guilty man pud ta ana usahay.

if u come to know Winston gyud personally, down to earth gyud ni cya. no bodyguards man gani mag shorts ra mosuroy ug SM. mag bitbit pa usahay ug grocery...

what im arguing is not really defending WG. im arguing on fairness here...

[joshua259]

hahaha ngano man gud nang pugson ang usa ka tao nga naka buhat siya og dili maayo? nga wala may tarong nga ebidensya mapakita.

pareha gud sa presidente, mag sige og pugos ang mga tao nga corrupt siya pero dili gud maka prove nga corrupt siya.