Tallo leaves Ateneo: Right or Wrong Move?

[groogie75]

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e.close na ta ni nga thread oi. fact of the matter is ' If you have game, they will find you'.

[Buzz Killington]

daghanag genius dri ui hehe frinedly advice lang mga bros ayaw mo pakiglalis dri kawy way magpapildi hehe

mao bitaw purpose aning forums.... to be updated and exchange opinion.... kung di ka kasabay ,aw sorry, gtfo....

[ayemamba]

right decision..... right decision for choosing the green and white...

[Jumperman]

If you talk to any casual Atenean or LaSallian UAAP fan, they won't even know who Tallo is. It is only Istorya.net that can get a 30 page discussion on this subject. Regardless of school, the casual fan doesn't keep tabs with the Team B players.

The only for Tallo to be a discussion-worthy topic would be the actually play in the UAAP and have his breakout game. Then all the fans will know him. Playing in Team B with all the playing time he wants - in gym practices - won't get Tallo known. His stock is plummeting fast and no one even knows him enough to care.

On the contrary, a lot of people did know Tallo, enough for him to warrant an announcement from the university website itself about his departure (it was later taken down though after the father cried foul to the local daily about the "character assassination" being made of his son). And while the Ateneans online only account for a small number and don't really speak for the school, you can really see a lot of them expressing dismay when the news came out. He was doing pretty good in practice and people noticed and got excited for the future. Scrubs don't generate that kind of attention. Had he been a "role-player" type, not too many people would've cared if he defected to DLSU.

You don't see too many Lasallians showing elation online yet because an official announcement hasn't been made, but the insiders know who Tallo is and they were pretty stoked when they heard of it. Some people behind Goarchers.com didn't want to believe it at first as not to get their hopes up but when it was confirmed they got pretty excited about it.

Understandably, we talk about Mac-Mac more here in iSTORYA because this is supposed to be a Cebuano/Bisaya forum. Is it a bad thing that the kid's decision (or his family's) is a hot topic here? He's one of our own, we've seen him grow up and develop his skills. Syempre ma-concerned gyud ta bisag gamay, ganahan ta kita niya mu-duwa.

Agree ko with what someone said - nga si Tallo gitago ra ni Black para dili ma scout sa uban team. I think he would eventually get playing time middle of the season when the going gets really tough. He was a hidden asset. Sayang iyang decision. One year of waiting is one year longer it takes to improve. Practice can never mimic competition.

Mao na even now sa lockout, NBA players are trying to find a league to play in - no matter how far from home it is. They need their bodies to be ready and fit. Remember the last NBA lockout? Look what happened to Shawn Kemp after that. NBA Superstar - went out of shape, got overweight and substance abuse problems.

Ateneo and some alumni benefactors invested on Tallo. They sent him with the team to the US and so many other trips. They would not do that if Tallo would just sit in the bench. Black wouldn't visit Cebu multiple times and insist on getting Tallo if he didn't believe in Tallo. Ateneans are not that dumb to invest so much on a kid only to bench him.

You mentioned how the NBA stars felt the need to go overseas during the lockout just to play so they can stay sharp. And you mentioned that "practices can never mimic competition". Mao gani ni-hawa si Tallo kay gi-bangko ra siya. Again, maybe premature ang decision kay pre-season pa man to nga wala siya hatagi ug PT but we've seen enough precedents with the Norman Black system to be able to say with conviction that it was all but a certainty that Tallo won't be seeing the court too often had he stayed on the team. Can you cite any player since Black got the coaching job that he used as a "secret weapon" in the middle of the season that didn't get any PT during the pre-season? He uses the pre-season as a sort of dry run. And let's not misconstrue his heavy recruitment of Mac-Mac. Any coach would want the best talent available for his team. Almost everyone on that talented squad was a top recruit coveted by different schools but Black doesn't give everyone regular PT (think Justin Chua, Tiongson, even Vince Burke whom UP wanted and is now not on the Blue Eagle roster). It's not any different for Mac-Mac. Taga-Cebu lang siya mao nang larga gyud si Coach Norman.

At the end of the day, I think sayop ang decision ni Tallo. You leave a championship school playing in the country's biggest college league to join team B of a non-championship school doing practice scrimmages in the gym? Then what if the coach doesn't give him playing time again next year?

I pity the kid. I think he is too young to make his own decisions and the advisers around him did not think this thoroughly.

It's too early to tell if the decision was a bad one. Let's wait til next year, when he gets to don the DLSU green and white. The way the DLSU guard corps is playing so far, I think only LA Revilla is a cinch. Tallo can easily nose out Vosotros and Sara for minutes. At least that's what I think.

[k-bai]

hayzzzzz., mghuwat nlang ta ani next UAAP season f Macmac can play njud sa UAAP., bsan asa nga team gnahan ko mtan-aw sa iya dnuwaan gyud..

[bb2]

You mentioned how the NBA stars felt the need to go overseas during the lockout just to play so they can stay sharp. And you mentioned that "practices can never mimic competition". Mao gani ni-hawa si Tallo kay gi-bangko ra siya. Again, maybe premature ang decision kay pre-season pa man to nga wala siya hatagi ug PT but we've seen enough precedents with the Norman Black system to be able to say with conviction that it was all but a certainty that Tallo won't be seeing the court too often had he stayed on the team. Can you cite any player since Black got the coaching job that he used as a "secret weapon" in the middle of the season that didn't get any PT during the pre-season? He uses the pre-season as a sort of dry run. And let's not misconstrue his heavy recruitment of Mac-Mac. Any coach would want the best talent available for his team. Almost everyone on that talented squad was a top recruit coveted by different schools but Black doesn't give everyone regular PT (think Justin Chua, Tiongson, even Vince Burke whom UP wanted and is now not on the Blue Eagle roster). It's not any different for Mac-Mac. Taga-Cebu lang siya mao nang larga gyud si Coach Norman.

Coach Norman does hardly go the secret weapon route. He doesn't play a player until he is ready. Maybe Macmac wasn't ready simple as that. However look at how that has turned out. Guys like Arao, Al Husseini, Monfort, who were not on anyone's lists are now all solid bball players.

As to Macmac being "famous" Jick is correct outside of ADMU and bball insiders, noone knew of him. He wasn't openly "highly recruited".

He wasn't as touted as a recruit because every college recruiter knew who has been nurturing the career on Macmac since 3 years ago. Spending for his training, for the camps like where he got his MVP/NBA Jr., which allowed Macmac go to to the US, spending for his trips to Manila, food allowances, shoes etc. Noone could imagine that such a nice kid could turn out to be so ungrateful.

The few times I have met him, the guy who took care of him is one of the nicest persons I have ever known and I can see that this was heart wrenching to him. He opened his arms, his family, and his wallet to the Tallos and this is what he got in return.

Have the Tallos ever bothered to call him even just to explain?

[stew_griff]

so asa nani siya karon?

[bb2]

Since murag sige mu uban ni Mr. Tallo can you tell us what the calls were about and since not from Norman was it official team business? I'm sure there are people who still want Macmac to play for Ateneo. Maybe those who have sacrificed to bring him there? Maybe those who took care of him while training locally and overseas. Natural ra man na na ganahan sila na mag-stay siya since sila sad mag-mahay ug ma-ulaw. If some people don't see the importance of paying respect to the people that took care of you (even with a phone call to talk it over BEFORE you jump ship) then you cannot do anything.


I'm sure Ateneo was under a deadline and wanted to be able to submit it's line-up. They could have wanted finality. Have there been calls after the submission deadline for line-ups?

I'm sure since penciled in na si Macmac sa Team A (the only ones who go abroad), mas ganahan sila to keep him rather than bring a player from team B up. Bisan kinsa man would rather keep a player who they have planned into the line-up, so up to last minute basin they were still hoping. What does that mean...naa sila plano for Macmac's future I guess.

All water under the bridge, a "burned bridge" at this point I think. The Tallos made a decision to leave the way they did. That way made them SEEM impatient AND ungrateful people. It could be far from the truth. They could be the most patient and grateful people on earth. Unfortunately they can only be judged by their actions, so far IMHO their actions show otherwise.


Since kauban nimo si Mr. Tallo can you ask him a few questions:

Does Mr. Mark Anthony have any plans to repay the costs of the training in the US?

Does he have plans to return items that they received uniforms, training jerseys, clothes, etc (I think Fr. Que has a jacket in there somewhere lent for the cold trip to the US.)?

Finally can you ask him what he means by saying Macmac has to keep his "status"?

Mr. Sia,

I noticed you posting in the CESAFI thread. Just wondering kung nag istorya namo ni Mr. Tallo lately re:my inquiries?

[kobe24]

storya na cla katawa2 paman gani

[bb2]

I guess they don't care then. Sayang I would've at least expected some sort of effort on Mr. Tallo's part to settle things like a man.

Just be careful the people you use on your way up may be the same people you meet on your way down.