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    Quote Originally Posted by Romeojin View Post
    nalihok btaw sa last admin since 2003, perhaps nadugay gyud ang process. and recently lang siya ni ask ug PLEA Bargain gusto niya ug lesser punishment. ani man ang flowchart sa corruption sa pinas ... dont get caught-> if caught-> deny the crime -> if found guilty -> ask for bargain END -> go to jail ?? Y or N (endless loop)
    suicide if no more chance to hide and no more place to run out from truth...

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    http://www.gov.ph/2011/01/05/briefer...-plunder-case/

    The Maj. Gen. Carlos Garcia plunder case: Background
    In 2003, the sons of former AFP Deputy Chief of Staff for Comptrollership, Maj. Gen. Carlos Garcia was arrested by US Customs at the San Francisco Airport for failing to declare US$ 100,000. United States Customs officials subsequently tipped off then Ombudsman Simeon Marcelo, who started building up a plunder case against the Maj. General, who was prosecuted and arrested in 2004 for plunder and perjury. He and his family are accused of amassing P303.27 million in ill-gotten wealth while the Major General was in active service. Two of his sons are facing charges in the United States.
    Plea bargain: Last December, Garcia walked out of incarceration after posting bail at P60,000, which was granted after Garcia engaged in a plea bargain with the Office of the Ombudsman through the Office of the Special Prosecutor. Garcia’s counsel agreed to have him change his plea of “not guilty” of plunder and plead “guilty” to indirect bribery and violation of the Anti-Money Laundering Act—which led to a lesser sentence covered by time he has already served. Though accused of plundering at least Php303 million, the agreement has settled for Php135.43 million. Violating the rules of court, a petition for bail was filed, put on the agenda, and granted on the same day—December 16, 2010, when Garcia walked out of prison. The plea bargain was made presumably due to lack of evidence, which is inconsistent with the belief of former Ombudsman Marcelo.

  3. #413
    Quote Originally Posted by onig.heck View Post
    suicide if no more chance to hide and no more place to run out from truth...
    pwede pud na.

    pwede pud ni ang flowchart

    if in doubt --> terminate life

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    Quote Originally Posted by hulagway View Post
    hehehe...so your are sayng that sa TIME ni cory ramos ug erap walay corruption sa military? just because walay gen,garcia ato na time? hehehe,,nindot sadka ug logic sir..mao di dali ra kaayo ka mo too ug storya..

    so pasabot kato(cory.ramos ug erap) na time nindot jud d i kaayo ang atong nga military equipment? kay wala gud corruption kay walay gen.garcia ato....
    i never said that sir... corruption is a never ending issue.. sa katong unang panahon naa nay corruption bisag asa na agency or organization under sa government pero gibaliwala lang...

  5. #415
    Quote Originally Posted by garner View Post
    Guilty as charged?
    CTALK By Cito Beltran (The Philippine Star)
    Laying the blame on institutions that can’t talk back is something quite common in the Philippines. Rather than face our ghosts or confront inconvenient truths and issues, many of us will simply lay blame on a particular branch of government or an institution.

    It is they say, part of our culture and values not to make things “personal” through direct confrontation, or to shame or dishonor someone face to face. But unlike our “Asian” neighbors, whatever accusations we can’t take out directly against people, we Filipinos often take out on our institutions.

    Perhaps we do this because it’s a lot “safer” in terms of backlash or personal accountability, or maybe because attacking an institution gives us instant relief from our frustration and anger.

    This convenient, “harmless” act of attacking an institution may fall under the right to self expression and the concept of “No harm, no foul”, but in the end, how long will it take before the integrity, respect or value of our institutions begin to chip, crack and crumble?

    Contrary to the popular nursery rhyme: “sticks and stones may break my bones, but your words can never harm me”; WORDS do cause harm and even more. Ask a child psychiatrist, a historian, a Pastor or a Priest. Even in his book, the apostle James warned how words have the power of life or death.

    Unfortunately, as our nation turns a new leaf under a new President, we find ourselves confronted by revelation and exposé on corruption and abuse of authority. Faced by the sins of a few, Filipinos have readily condemned entire institutions.

    In the last month and a half, we have heard so many, damn and curse the Philippine National Police (PNP), the Armed Forces of the Philippines (AFP), the Commission On Audit (COA), and last but not the least; the Philippine Military Academy (PMA).

    The PMA has received probably the most blistering of insults where its acronym PMA has been changed into derogatory insults intended to ridicule and dishonor the academy.
    Ever since the “plea bargain” controversy erupted concerning Major General Carlos Garcia, many in broadcast media and their audiences have cursed, cussed and accused the PMA for being nothing more than a training ground for economic opportunists in the military.

    Others charge the PMA as a failed institution that raises both the corrupt and those who entertain military adventurism and launch mini rebellions to get what they want. Sadly, the critics conveniently overlooked the thousands of cadets and officers who served with dignity and honor.

    Out of all the people that have thrown insults at the PMA, I wonder how many have actually walked through the corridor dedicated for heroes from the PMA and read their tales of valor? How many have actually walked on the PMA grounds where many true soldiers have been recruited, educated and trained to live by a code of honor and discipline?

    Do they even know the statistics on how many percent of each graduating class served with pride or brought dishonor to the academy and to the nation?

    It would be justified to condemn an institution if it were truly a curse or utterly useless, but can “You” speak truthfully that the PMA is such? How many of their fallen that died in Action, do you know personally? I know at least one personally, if not a few. And just like them, there are more graduates of the PMA that have served well than those who have brought it shame.

    Yes, I dare say that the Academy, the PMA, has produced generations of true soldiers and dedicated citizens. If some have failed to live by the code, they confessed that it was not the academy that failed them but the reality of life after the academy.

    Several young captains from the rebel Magdalo group once confided in me that while in the Academy, they lived a life made “perfect” by a code of conduct. There was only one code and it was all about discipline.

    But once outside the Academy, they found themselves living in a “moral” Hell. Senior officers made up the rules, bent the rules or did not believe in rules. They controlled every aspect of life; from food, allowances, work details, assignments and promotions.

    If the Academy was “the Field of Dreams”, outside its walls was the “World of Chaos”.

    If senior officials and politicians ruined the code of conduct, the real world flooded the PMAers with immoral poison. If the Academy had but one failing it was forgetting to equip their soldiers with spiritual weapons and capabilities to fight off alcohol, sexual promiscuity, pride, rage and violence.

    Ultimately, it is not the Academy’s fault if men sold their souls for profit or raised their weapons in rebellion. It is society’s fault. We expect them to “obey”, but who are they suppose to obey; corrupt officers and politicians? When they rebel against the corruption and breakdown of discipline, do we as citizens of the Republic hear them out or do we not brand them as military adventurists or rebellious misfits?

    That in fact was the case in the Oakwood Mutiny, was it not?

    When the young officers from the PMA rebelled, we the citizens were inconvenienced. The business community was incensed because of the effects on the economy while media were all over each other for scoops more than the fine print and real details. The Filipino people stood by the sidelines and watched.

    So the PMAers went to jail for many years, one day many members of media were hauled to jail by the very forces the “mutineers” rebelled against. The businessmen realized they could hardly do business in an environment they had helped to corrupt, then the politicians discovered they too were being singled out or being disenfranchised. So they all decided to cause a change.

    Yet through it all, your PMA soldiers remained in jail or had to enter into their own plea-bargains and dishonorable discharge for doing the honorable thing.

    Even under a new President, they still had to apply for amnesty for an act of mutiny against the very people who are now being charged or investigated for plunder.

    Please don’t blame the institution for the sins of men.
    brava! Super Like! This goes to rex Robles. ..i..

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    Please don’t blame the institution for the sins of men.
    agree... culture or not... a mistake is a mistake. madakpan ka onya ang uban wala madakpan... malas lang nimo kay ikaw ang nadakpan.

  7. #417
    Quote Originally Posted by onig.heck View Post
    for 9 years? of course dili gyud ing ana ka dali ang justice system sa pilipinsa kay kahibaw gyud ka nah kung naa kapit sa higher authorities dili gyud na ma handle dayon ang issue....
    pasabot nimo nga kani nga style(hinay nga justice system)(kapit sa higher autorites) hitabo ani sa time ni gma?

    ang point is..kaning problema karon nasunod rani sa past admin..kato jud unta sa time ni cory naa na unta to chance sa pag usab pro wala jud..l

    Quote Originally Posted by onig.heck View Post
    back to the topic kay morag na layo na tah... again, committing suicide means guilty but i cannot say heis guilty in all the allegations against him but ther's a BIG chance that his involvement in all the corruptions are true....
    if naa man gali sila sala ug sakto nga evidence dapat sa court sila mg daug dili lang sa senate or congress na hearing...pa lakasay na diha..

  8. #418
    Quote Originally Posted by onig.heck View Post
    i never said that sir... corruption is a never ending issue.. sa katong unang panahon naa nay corruption bisag asa na agency or organization under sa government pero gibaliwala lang...
    so unsa imo point ngano ni ingon ka nga walay gen garcia ato na time?.
    so kung gibaliwala lang pasabot nga ok ra? walay investigation unya kay sa admin man ni GMA dili ok ang corruption?dapat naa investigation? senate or congress hearing? tama ba?

    ang kanang imong gi ingon nga gibaliwala ra ang currption sa past admin..mao nay hinugdan nga gahitak ang corruption sa pinas..ug dili nana mawala maski kinsa ang president.maski si noynoy dili maka buwag ana...busa ayaw ninyo i single out ang mga tao nga na igo lang sa trial sa media..kana tanang politiko corrupt na...

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    RIP to Angelo Reyes

    "A man's greatness is not measured by his success, but on how well he accepts defeat."

    I feel sorry ni Reyes kay dli tngali cya kadawat ug ingon ani na problema... dli tngali cya pareha ka baga ug face nila ni Jinggoy, Erap, GMA n et. al...

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    Quote Originally Posted by hulagway View Post
    so unsa imo point ngano ni ingon ka nga walay gen garcia ato na time?.
    so kung gibaliwala lang pasabot nga ok ra? walay investigation unya kay sa admin man ni GMA dili ok ang corruption?dapat naa investigation? senate or congress hearing? tama ba?

    ang kanang imong gi ingon nga gibaliwala ra ang currption sa past admin..mao nay hinugdan nga gahitak ang corruption sa pinas..ug dili nana mawala maski kinsa ang president.maski si noynoy dili maka buwag ana...busa ayaw ninyo i single out ang mga tao nga na igo lang sa trial sa media..kana tanang politiko corrupt na...
    that's why i said "guilty si Reyes", he is corrupt... (all of them are corrupt in any sense)

    walay Gen Garcia sauna mao wala na open ang issue... simple ra nah sir... (but am not saying na walay corruption sauna) karon lang na na bulgar about anang pabaon and kanang ill gotten wealth piga investigahan kay morag imposibli na kaay ilang kadatu....

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