We can learn from the Saints!

[petite fleur]

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ako ge post na taas kau ba na wagtang. ahak.

@Libraun yep siya ang first official.

[koralstratz]

Hello Springfield! I am no expert in saints but I agree to them that it is the Virgin Mary who is our (the) first saint nga dili out of martyrdom.

But anyway, it was St. Ulrich of Augsburg ang first saint to be canonized by Pope John XV. Dili sad siya martyr.

Hahaha ... tanawa ra gud ni si bro libraun,,,,padugay dugay pa ug answer kamao man diay...Mao gyud ni siguro tong gina pangutana ni springfield...Si St. Ulrich (karon pa gyud ko ani nga sya diay first official CANONIZED saint

This is also one of the reasons that many Catholics get confused on who's who (who was the first ).. he he he.. for clarification lang gyud para sab sa uban nga nag libog pa .......There are official CANONIZED saints and official DECLARED saints, but both are definitely OFFICIALLY in Roman Catholic Lists of saints

As what petitefleur and wenlove posted above, the process or CANONIZATION of saints as we see NOW did not materialized until the medieval period (10th century A.D.) and yet even BEFORE that, there were already a lot of existing (DECLARED) saints,,,,were they(declared saints) officially recognized by the Church?? .. YES, they were / are still officially in the roster of saints.

And to further simplify things using St. Ulrich as an example of the 1st officially CANONIZED saint which was not martyred......Yes St. Ulrich may have been the 1st CANONIZED but is definitely NOT the first un-martyred DECLARED saint.....St. Ulrich was born on 890 A.D. and died on the year 973 A.D. ..meaning a lot of saints were already been venerated by the early Chritians even BEFORE St. Ulrich was born.

[SPRINGFIELD_XD_40]

All your answers are correct but the title of QUEEN of ALL SAINTS remains only a title .

By logic , she is a saint but we are discussing here about SAINTS who got CANONIZED , SAINTS who used to be just regular people subjected to human errors and imperfections yet lived an almost PERFECT LIFE being in the STATE of GRACE .

By the way , when we say we limit ourselves to resources confined in a CATHOLIC POINTS of VIEW , it should have a NIHIL OBSTAT and IMPRIMATUR authorization and you know what is next to that . Its the validity of the content of information .

Reason being for that authority of information is that , what appears in the copy is the official list . Now if some of you can name names here that appeared to be a DECLARED SAINT before St. ULRICH of AUGSBURG na di martyr , I would really appreciate if naay ma come up nato .

Examples are the 12 apostles , dili ba ang 11 nila na SAINT man out of declaration ? But kani sila wala mo agi ug canonization .

@LIBRAUN ...

Thanks for the answer . Indeed St. Ulrich of Augsburg is the FIRST CANONIZED SAINT that is not a martyr .

I am only emphasizing about MARTYRDOM because most MARTYRS we know , we only acknowledge their lives sa mga later part of how they lived it . Who knows mga salbahis na sila yet at the very last minute of their breathe , they change hearts .

Unlike the martyrs , the SAINTS who got canonized because of living EXTAORDINARY LIVES of HOLINESS are the ones we should be learning from in example .

Another question , how about the YOUNGEST CANONIZED SAINT ? Who is the youngest saint canonized ? Dili na man daw si St. Dominic Savio ? Although is St. DOminic Savio is 16 years old , ang youngest martyr is only 11 years old ( Saint Maria Goretti ). Ang possible na mo puli n i St. DOminic Savio is Antonietta Meo who is only 6 years old but I remember na BLESSED na man siya before . Unless beatification pa lang ang nahitabo and wala pa ma canonized jud .

[libraun]

All your answers are correct but the title of QUEEN of ALL SAINTS remains only a title .

By logic , she is a saint but we are discussing here about SAINTS who got CANONIZED , SAINTS who used to be just regular people subjected to human errors and imperfections yet lived an almost PERFECT LIFE being in the STATE of GRACE .

By the way , when we say we limit ourselves to resources confined in a CATHOLIC POINTS of VIEW , it should have a NIHIL OBSTAT and IMPRIMATUR authorization and you know what is next to that . Its the validity of the content of information .

Reason being for that authority of information is that , what appears in the copy is the official list . Now if some of you can name names here that appeared to be a DECLARED SAINT before St. ULRICH of AUGSBURG na di martyr , I would really appreciate if naay ma come up nato .

Examples are the 12 apostles , dili ba ang 11 nila na SAINT man out of declaration ? But kani sila wala mo agi ug canonization .

@LIBRAUN ...

Thanks for the answer . Indeed St. Ulrich of Augsburg is the FIRST CANONIZED SAINT that is not a martyr .

I am only emphasizing about MARTYRDOM because most MARTYRS we know , we only acknowledge their lives sa mga later part of how they lived it . Who knows mga salbahis na sila yet at the very last minute of their breathe , they change hearts .

Unlike the martyrs , the SAINTS who got canonized because of living EXTAORDINARY LIVES of HOLINESS are the ones we should be learning from in example .

Another question , how about the YOUNGEST CANONIZED SAINT ? Who is the youngest saint canonized ? Dili na man daw si St. Dominic Savio ? Although is St. DOminic Savio is 16 years old , ang youngest martyr is only 11 years old ( Saint Maria Goretti ). Ang possible na mo puli n i St. DOminic Savio is Antonietta Meo who is only 6 years old but I remember na BLESSED na man siya before . Unless beatification pa lang ang nahitabo and wala pa ma canonized jud .

Hi sir springfield! Reiterate lang nako ha that I am no expert in saints, nor I have vast knowledge about them. I just knew about them from reading books and research.

But anyway, here is a list of young saints:

Saint Pancras of Rome - Patron saint of children - martyred at the age of 14
Saint Ponticus of Lyons, France - martyred at the age of 15
Saint Maria Goretti - martyred at the age of 12

Then there's a Japanese martyred at the age of 7, I just forgot the name..

Saint Dominic Savio - non-martyred - died at the age of 14

Then there is also the Our Lady of Fatima Vissionaries: Blessed Jacinta (died at the age of 9) and Francisco Marto (died at the age of 10)

And yes, if Ven. Antonietta Meo will be canonized, she will become the youngest, non-martyred saint at the age of 6.

I hope I answered your question. It would be great if you also share your knowledge and insights about saints sir springfield.

[koralstratz]

All your answers are correct but the title of QUEEN of ALL SAINTS remains only a title .

By logic , she is a saint but we are discussing here about SAINTS who got CANONIZED , SAINTS who used to be just regular people subjected to human errors and imperfections yet lived an almost PERFECT LIFE being in the STATE of GRACE .

By the way , when we say we limit ourselves to resources confined in a CATHOLIC POINTS of VIEW , it should have a NIHIL OBSTAT and IMPRIMATUR authorization and you know what is next to that . Its the validity of the content of information .

Reason being for that authority of information is that , what appears in the copy is the official list . Now if some of you can name names here that appeared to be a DECLARED SAINT before St. ULRICH of AUGSBURG na di martyr , I would really appreciate if naay ma come up nato .
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Sir springfield,,here are some examples I just recently came up with that are considered DECLARED saints (pre-canonization) that are also non-martyrs....I'm not really sure but probably there are still a few more.


Maximus the Confessor (also known as Maximus the Theologian and Maximus of Constantinople) (c. 580 – 13 August 662)

He was a Christian monk, theologian, and scholar. In his early life, he was a civil servant, and an aide to the Byzantine Emperor. However, he gave up this life in the political sphere to enter into the monastic life.
After moving to Carthage, Maximus studied several Neo-Platonist writers and became a prominent author. When one of his friends began espousing the Christological position known as Monothelitism, Maximus was drawn into the controversy, in which he supported the Chalcedonian position that Jesus had both a human and a divine will. . His Christological positions eventually resulted in his torture and exile, soon after which he died. However, his theology was vindicated by the Third Council of Constantinople and he was venerated as a saint soon after his death. His title of Confessor means that he suffered for the Christian faith, but was not directly martyred. His Life of the Virgin is thought to be the earliest complete biography of Mary, the mother of Jesus.


Saint Martin of Tours (316-400 A.D.)
St. Martin, called "the glory of Gaul," was born about the year 316 of pagan parents in Sabaria, Upper Pannonia, a province comprising northern Yugoslavia and western Hungary. It had become Martin's desire to pursue his religious calling in solitude, and Hilary gave him a small piece of land in central France, now called Liguge. He was joined by other hermits and holy men, and the community grew into a monastery, the first, it is said, to be founded in Gaul. For ten years Martin lived there, directing the life of his disciples and preaching in outlying places. Many miracles were attributed to him.

Martin had premonitions of his approaching death and predicted it to his disciples, who besought him not to leave them. "Lord," he prayed, "if Thy people still need me, I will not draw back from the work. Thy will be done." When his final sickness came upon him, he was at Candes, in a remote part of his diocese. The monks entreated him to allow them at least to put a sheet under him and make his last hours comfortable. "It becomes not a Christian," said Martin, "to die otherwise than upon ashes. I shall have sinned if I leave you any other example." He lay with eyes and hands raised to Heaven, until the brothers begged him to turn on one side to rest his body a little. "Allow me, my brethren," he answered, "to look towards Heaven rather than to earth, that my soul may be ready to take its flight to the Lord."
On November 8 he died, and three days later was buried at Tours.


St. Ephrem (306-373 A.D.)
Ephrem was born around the year 306 in the city of Nisibis the modern Turkish town of Nusaybin, on the border with Syria, which had come into Roman hands only in 298 . Internal evidence from Ephrem's hymnody suggests that both his parents were part of the growing Christian community in the city, although later hagiographers wrote that his father was a pagan priest
Ephrem wrote a great number of hymns defending Nicene orthodoxy. A later Syriac writer, Jacob of Serugh, wrote that Ephrem rehearsed all-female choirs to sing his hymns set to Syriac folk tunes in the forum of Edessa. After a ten-year residency in Edessa, in his sixties, Ephrem succumbed to the plague as he ministered to its victims. The most reliable date for his death is 9 June 373.


St. Hilarion (291-371 A.D.)
Founder of anchoritic life in Palestine. Hilarion was the son of pagan parents.. The date of his birth is ascertained from the statement of Jerome (Vita, c. xxv), that Hilarion, at the death of Anthony (356), was 65 years old. As a boy Hilarion's parent'ssent him to Alexandria to be educated in its schools. Here he became a Christian, and at the age of fifteen, attracted by the renown of the anchorite, St. Anthony, he retired to the desert. After two months of personal intercourse with the great "Father of Anchorites", Hilarion resolved to devote himself to the ascetic life of a hermit.
Finally he went to Cyprus and there, in a lonely cave in the interior of the island, he spent his last years. It was during his sojourn in Cyprus that he became acquainted with St. Epiphanius, Before his death, which took place at the age of eighty, Hilarion bequeathed his only possession, his poor and scanty clothing, to his faithful disciple, Hesychius. His body was buried near the town of Paphos.

By the way , when we say we limit ourselves to resources confined in a CATHOLIC POINTS of VIEW , it should have a NIHIL OBSTAT and IMPRIMATUR authorization and you know what is next to that . Its the validity of the content of information .

Hehehe...You are right about this,,,sorry I stand corrected

[petite fleur]

Nka answer mn gud unta ko....og sa dihang pa log in non ko...nya nawagtang akong treasure answer. Kalagut!

Bonjour Sir Spring!

Sa ako lang, na confused lang jd ko sa first question, you mean man diay Canonized Saint (Papal Canonization).

Let's define the word Saint...
Saint or Sanctus in Latin which means a holy person. Sanctus means Holy.

The Saints (the new testament Saints) before the First Papal Canonization which happens in the late 900s (St. Ulric was canonized on 993 by Pope John XV) were already recognized as Saint by popular acclaim. Why

Obviously the New testament Saints lived a life of holiness in which their lives are being reflected in the Scriptures. Blessed Mother/ Sancta Maria, St. Mary Magdalene, the apostles and so on ...

So of course I did include Blessed Mother / Sancta Maria who is considered as the First..now I will include Christian..the First Christian Saint. There would be no Christianity without the "Yes" of our Blessed Mother to the will of God. And so the word became flesh "et verbum caro factum est"...

The latin translation of Hail Mary in which the second part is Sancta Maria, Mater Dei which means Holy Mary Mother of God...

Looking at the list..obviously the Author started at the New Testa and so on....so proud to have seen there my Lolo (na ngang-kon St. Lawrence Ruiz weee hehehe

Anyway,

How about St/ Prophet Elijah? (Spiritual Father of the Carmelites)...again they are Holy enough to be called as Saints and there is no wrong with that if they (Old and New Testa Saints) were not canonized officially. The holiness of their lives though some has their own failures and weakness is all written in the Scriptures.. They are deserving to be called Saints.

All ye Holy Men and Women, Pray for us.

Talking about the TITLE... ibang usapan na naman yan. Unya nalang tale na...

How about St. Therese?? (Terez ang proper pronunciation,,hehe) Why did she became a Saint? that within 28 years of her death she was canonized and was proclaimed Doctor of the Church on 1997. She hasn't done any extraordinary deeds, she died young & hidden (for she is a cloistered carmelite), she was known to be the Stubborn Saint and was a spoiled child.

According to Ate Towees ( Todees sa akong pag umangkon

"Holiness is a disposition of the heart that makes us humble and little in the arms of God, aware of our weakness, and confident -- in the most audacious way -- in His Fatherly goodness."
~Story of a Soul (Autobiography written under obedience or if sa nursing pa...as ordered!

St. Therese's holiness is based on doing the little acts of kindness (known as the Little Way) "What matters in life is not great deeds, but great love.” On doing the ordinary with extraordinary love, that will surely elevate us to holiness.

Priez pour nous Sainte Therese and let fall a shower of Roses!


~died at the very young age of 24 Feast Oct. 1

[petite fleur]

In honor of Our Blessed Mother's Queenship I just made a blog out of it

Enfant de la Grâce ~ God's little flower: My Mother, My Queen

She plays a special role in my life! O Blessed Mother how can I ever thank you! May the rest of my life be consecrated fully to your Immaculate Heart & to the Sacred Heart of Jesus. Mother, help me to become what you want me to be. Through you I am drawn closer to God. Thank you Mama Mary!

[wenlove24]

In honor of Our Blessed Mother's Queenship I just made a blog out of it

Enfant de la Grâce ~ God's little flower: My Mother, My Queen

She plays a special role in my life! O Blessed Mother how can I ever thank you! May the rest of my life be consecrated fully to your Immaculate Heart & to the Sacred Heart of Jesus. Mother, help me to become what you want me to be. Through you I am drawn closer to God. Thank you Mama Mary!

"Totus tuus ego sum, et omnia mea tua sunt. Accipio te in mea omnia. Praebe mihi cor tuum, Maria."
("I belong entirely to you, and all that I have is yours. I take you for my all. O Mary, give me your heart")

"Then I understood that I could not exclude the Lord's Mother from my life without neglecting the will of God-Trinity"

"Do whatever He tells you." (John 2:5)

[koralstratz]

St. Rose of Lima
Patron of Latin America and the Philippines
(Feast Day Aug 23 )




St. Rose of Lima is the patroness of Latin America and the Philippines. This South American Saint's real name was Isabel, but she was such a beautiful baby that she was called Rose, and that name remained. As she grew older, she became more and more beautiful, and one day, her mother put a wreath of flowers on her head to show off her loveliness to friends. But Rose had no desire to be admired, for her heart had been given to Jesus. So she put a long pin into that wreath and it pierced her so deeply, that she had a hard time getting the wreath off afterward. Another time she became afraid that her beauty might be a temptation to someone, since people could not take their eyes off her. Therefore, she rubbed her face with pepper until it was all red and blistered.

St. Rose worked hard to support her poor parents and she humbly obeyed them, except when they tried to get her to marry. That she would not do. Her love of Jesus was so great that when she talked about Him, her face glowed and her eyes sparkled.

Rose had many temptations from the devil, and there were also many times when she had to suffer a feeling of terrible loneliness and sadness, for God seemed far away. Yet she cheerfully offered all these troubles to Him. In fact, in her last long, painful sickness, this heroic young woman use to pray: "Lord, increase my sufferings, and with them increase Your love in my heart."

Many miracles followed her death. She was beatified by Clement IX, in 1667, and canonized in 1671 by Clement X, the first American to be so honoured. Her feast is celebrated 23 of August. She is represented wearing a crown of roses.

[koralstratz]

@petitefleur...ang imong family came directly from the bloodline of St. Lorenzo Ruiz??