If someone ask you "Luwas na ba ka?", whats ur answer?

[Stingray Sr.]

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Bro based on the bible dakog chance nga maluwas si ABel kay nagbuhat siyag maayo.
Og dili ra si Kristo ang mangluluwas, kungdi :

Sapagka't dahil dito ay nagsisipagpagal kami at nagsisipagsikap, sapagka't may pagasa kami sa Dios na buhay, na siyang Tagapagligtas sa lahat ng mga tao, lalong lalo na sa mga nagsisisampalataya.
I Kay Timoteo 4:10

Sa pananampalataya si Abel ay naghandog sa Dios ng lalong mabuting hain kay sa kay Cain, sa pamamagitan nito'y sinaksihan sa kaniyang siya'y matuwid, na nagpapatotoo ang Dios tungkol sa kaniyang mga kaloob: at sa pamamagitan nito patay na siya ay nagsasalita pa.
Mga Hebreo 11:4


Dili ra si Kristo ang mangluluwas, ang luwason ni Kristo kay ang Iglesia.
Sapagka’t ang lalake ay pangulo ng kaniyang asawa, gaya naman ni Cristo na pangulo ng iglesia, na siya rin ang tagapagligtas ng katawan.
Mga Taga-Efeso 5:23

og ang katawan kay:

At siya ang ulo ng katawan, sa makatuwid baga’y ng iglesia; na siya ang pasimula, ang panganay sa mga patay; upang sa lahat ng mga bagay, ay magkaroon siya ng kadakilaan.
Mga Taga-Colosas 1:18

Peace!

Ang labo mo naman bro.
Ngayon hindi na naman si Kristo ang tagapagligtas?
Ang tanung ko----- ligtas ba si Abel?
Ang sagot mo malaki and chance ni Abel na maligtas!
Anu ba yan?
Ibig sabihin hindi ka sigurado kung maliligtas si Abel o hindi.

[radiostar]

hapit na why man?

[rcruman]

Ang labo mo naman bro.
Ngayon hindi na naman si Kristo ang tagapagligtas?
Ang tanung ko----- ligtas ba si Abel?
Ang sagot mo malaki and chance ni Abel na maligtas!
Anu ba yan?
Ibig sabihin hindi ka sigurado kung maliligtas si Abel o hindi.

Hindi pa bro kasi wala pa ang panahon ng paghuhukom.
Hindi mo ba nabasa ang Eclesiastes 12:13-14 na hahatulan maging ang kubling bagay.
Alam ko ba kung ano ang nasa puso ni Abel?
Pero isa ang alam ko galing sa biblia na si abel ay gumawa ng lalong mabuti kaysa kay cain.
Ang Dios lamang ang nakakatarok ng ating puso at tayong mga tao ay wala tayong kakayahan na makita ang nasa loob ng puso ng tao.
Hindi kita puedeng masagot na OO (ligtas siya) at HINDI (hindi siya ligtas) kasi hindi pa paghuhukom. Nakukuha mo ba ang ibig kong sabihin?


At sa isa mong tanong, dalawa ang tagapagligtas si Kristo at ang Dios Ama.
ANg ililigtas ni Kristo ay ang Iglesia at ang labas ng Iglesia ay DIos Ama ang Magliligtas.

Peace!

[Ironside]

Sinners that repent. dili kay luwas dayon, naa say buhaton og repent then Baptism.

7 I say unto you, that likewise joy shall be in heaven over one sinner that repenteth, more than over ninety and nine just persons, which need no repentance.
Luke 15:7

so dili kay sinners luwas dayon kinahanglan magbasol sa or maghinulsol.
then how about those people who didn't know CHrist and don't have chance to repent and accept the Gospel?
Luwas gihapon sila pinaagi sa kamatayon ni CHrist?
its clear that these people known Christ and heard Christ and most of all these people are inside the CHurch.
But the question "outside the Church" who will save them?
People who lived before CHrist.
People who doesn't have chance to know the Gospel and CHrist.

Peace!

Salvation in the past, present and future
(I am the Way, the Truth and the Life. No one comes to the Father except by Me)



How are people saved in the Old Testament [before Christ came and died on the cross] and in the New Testament [after He came and died on the cross for our sins]?

Heb 10:12 But this Man, after He had offered one sacrifice for sins forever, sat down on the right of God,


The basis and the ground of salvation from Adam to the last human beings in the last day is the shed blood of Christ on the cross. Salvation has always been by grace and so therefore salvation has always been by faith whether the time prior to the cross or after it. The Old Testament saints looked forward to the Coming Redeemer while the New Testament saints [after the crucifixion and resurrection of Christ] looked backward to it in saving faith.



-----Abraham---Moses-------B.C.> The Savior <A.D.-------------2007


Notice the verse above I quoted. The word "forever" in bold in the original is also a word that can be rendered "FOR ALL TIME" Christ offered a sacrifice that avails for ALL TIME. In fact the New International Version has it translated:



Heb. 10:12 But when this priest [referring to the Lord Jesus] had offered for all time one sacrifice for sins, he sat down at the right hand of God.



His saving work on the cross has a retroactive and proactive effect. Are the past ages prior to the Crucifixion of Christ part of Time? yes. Are the ages after the crucifixion of Christ part of Time? yes. The verse above tells us that His one sacrifice avails for all time [that is why it need not be repeated again and again]. The New Testament teaches that salvation in the Old Testament period is through faith in coming Savior:



2Ti 3:15 and that from childhood you have known the Holy Scriptures, which are able to make you wise for salvation through faith which is in Christ Jesus.



Note above: when the New Testament mentions this word-----> "Scriptures" it almost always means the Old Testament Scriptures [of course for the New Testament was still in the process of being written at the time...only twice in the New Testament has this word ---> "Scriptures" used to refer to the New Testament].


Notice the aforementioned verse above. What can the Old Testament Scriptures do to us concerning salvation? They are able to make us wise for salvation through faith which is in Christ Jesus. An Old Testament penitent sinner can read the Scriptures and find the coming Christ there, trusting in Him, he will be saved.


2Ti 3:15 and that from childhood you have known the Holy Scriptures, which are able to make you wise for salvation through faith which is in Christ Jesus.



Old Testament examples:


Moses


Heb 11:24 By faith Moses, when he became of age, refused to be called the son of Pharaoh's daughter, 25 choosing rather to suffer affliction with the people of God than to enjoy the passing pleasures of sin, 26 esteeming the reproach of Christ greater riches than the treasures in Egypt; for he looked to the reward.


There are four things Moses did here by faith, what are they?


Heb 11:24 By faith Moses, when he became of age,

1) refused to be called the son of Pharaoh's daughter,
2) 25 choosing rather to suffer affliction with the people of God than to enjoy the passing pleasures of sin,
3) 26 esteeming the reproach of Christ greater riches than the treasures in Egypt;
4) for he looked to the reward.


Moses knew of Christ way back then. That is the point


Abraham


Joh 8:56 "Your father Abraham rejoiced to see My day, and he saw it and was glad."


The pronoun "My" here refers to the Savior the Lord Jesus Christ. Here the Lord said that Abraham rejoiced to see His day. Abraham knew of Christ the Savior way back then. Salvation is faith in the Savior Jesus Christ whether in the Old Testament or in the New.



What about those who have never heard of the salvation of Christ?


If Christ is the only Savior, then what about those people who have never heard of Him? Those people before He came and those people who lived in this world after He came but never came to hear about His salvation, are they doomed forever?


God has given all man light and revelation. He has given all man Creation to testify of His might and eternal power. He has also given all conscience, giving them a sense of right and wrong. [Israel, He has given three: Creation, Conscience and Law].



With these, man can either do two things: a) he can reject that light by not seeking God or b) man can be faithful to that light and revelation by seeking God. Doing the former would ultimately result in judgment while taking the course of the latter would mean further light and revelation from God. God would then send to him the knowledge of the good news of Christ's salvation. Believing it, he would be saved.


A wealthy widow was once passing by a street when she saw an old, bedraggled, poverty stricken fellow lying on the street. Engulfed by compassion, she handed him a crisp 100 dollar bill. She wanted to give him more but she wanted to see what he will do with the money. To her dismay, the poor man spent the money on drugs and liquor. Knowing that the man would not be wise and faithful if she would give him more, she dropped the idea of giving him a thousand grand. He who is faithful with litttle, will be faithful with much.




Romans 1:20 tells us that those people who do not have fuller knowledge of God [as the Jews have] are without excuse. For Creation is revelation enough to prove to him that God exist. He should have followed the proddings of his conscience to seek this one true God who is the creator of all things. He should have remained faithful and true to the dictates of his conscience [no matter how small that guidance maybe]. He, even though without the law of Moses, is fully aware that he has done wrong in his life since he has some degree knowledge of right and wrong through his conscience. Any man on earth who seeks God will certainly find Him. God looks down from heaven to see if there is any man seeking Him, a man who is faithful to the light He has given.


What matters is a seeking heart. For even if you live in a country where the gospel is preached day in and day out, but, if your heart is not seeking God, the gospel will be nothing to you even if Providence allows you to hear it every day. The native aborigine in the center of the jungle of the continent of Africa, if he is not faithful to the light {Creation and Conscience} God has given him by not seeking Him, the gospel will be of no use to him even if a missionary might happen to slip in there. His hearing the gospel and not believing in it will only result to a greater judgment. The missionary fulfilled his responsibility; he on the other hand, did not. To know truths from God {especially the saving truth of God in Christ} is a privilege that calls for our responsibility that not believing in the Gospel is disobedience to it {2Th 1:8, 1Pe 4:17}].


He who is faithful with little revelation about God will be faithful with the Gospel of Salvation.


Cornelius [a non-Israelite] was a man who was faithful to the light he had from God, that he lived accordingly to the light given him. He sought God and he found God in Christ through Peter. God sent Peter to him and he heard of the good news of salvation in Christ, trusted in Christ and got saved.


The wise men who were geographically more remote than the Jews who lived in Israel themselves, found Christ. While the Jews who lived in Israel complete with their Scriptures, with there “Doctors of Theology” did not find Him. Many years later, they even crucified Him.


Rahab was a non-Israelite woman who belonged to a nation and race whom God appointed Israel to destroy as punishment for their sin. All odds were against her. She was a prostitute, a pagan who belonged to a nation bound for destruction, having no earlier promise that she will be spared. But when she heard of the God of Israel and realized that this God was the God of heaven and earth, she acted accordingly [no doubt prompted by the dictates of conscience] that it is but only right to spare the spies Israel sent in their land. The result: God spared her and became part of the elect nation. After that, for sure she must have heard of the coming Savior that will come to Israel through the Old Testament Scriptures through her Israelite friends, she trusted in Him and got saved, even becoming the great, great grandmother of the Lord Jesus Christ, the Savior Himself!!!!!!



God has given us conscience and creation. Creation proves that He exists. Conscience gives us a sense of right and wrong. If God sees you faithful to the dictates of your conscience [no matter what religion and race you maybe in] He will take the responsibility to reveal to you the truth about the Lord Jesus Christ because you have been faithful to the light He has given. He who is faithful with little will be faithful with much. How about you my friend? You have heard this message of salvation a million times over in God's Providence


"Christ died for your sins and resurrected again"


Question is: Does that message mean everything to you? Or is it just a sleeping pill that is effective to rock you to sleep? Have you any desire to come to Christ or are you content with sin in your life?

[ichor_82283]

Ephesians 2:8-9
For by grace you have been save through faith and not of your works but it is the gift of God; lest anyman should boast.

We are saved because of the Grace of God. It is not by our own doing. He alone is the reason.
Even faith is not ours, thus the verse "not of your works". Unsay sumpay? but it is a gift of God. Faith is a gift and not an agent for salvation but a medium.

I say YES to this thread.

[rcruman]

Salvation in the past, present and future
(I am the Way, the Truth and the Life. No one comes to the Father except by Me)
How are people saved in the Old Testament [before Christ came and died on the cross] and in the New Testament [after He came and died on the cross for our sins]?

Heb 10:12 But this Man, after He had offered one sacrifice for sins forever, sat down on the right of God,

The basis and the ground of salvation from Adam to the last human beings in the last day is the shed blood of Christ on the cross. Salvation has always been by grace and so therefore salvation has always been by faith whether the time prior to the cross or after it. The Old Testament saints looked forward to the Coming Redeemer while the New Testament saints [after the crucifixion and resurrection of Christ] looked backward to it in saving faith.
-----Abraham---Moses-------B.C.> The Savior <A.D.-------------2007
Notice the verse above I quoted. The word "forever" in bold in the original is also a word that can be rendered "FOR ALL TIME" Christ offered a sacrifice that avails for ALL TIME. In fact the New International Version has it translated:

Forever / for all time is applicable after the death of Christ.
ABraham and Moses didn't even know about Christ, Christ was not yet introduced.
After the death of Christ the salvation is given through the Gospel that He preached.

There are four things Moses did here by faith, what are they?

Heb 11:24 By faith Moses, when he became of age,
1) refused to be called the son of Pharaoh's daughter,
2) 25 choosing rather to suffer affliction with the people of God than to enjoy the passing pleasures of sin,
3) 26 esteeming the reproach of Christ greater riches than the treasures in Egypt;
4) for he looked to the reward.
Moses knew of Christ way back then. That is the point

Really? can you give a verse of Genesis upto Deuteronomy that Moses knew CHrist?
Its apostle Paul who just explained that because of the mystery he received from God when he was caught up to 3rd heavens.
Its Apostle Paul also who explained that the rock whom they drink water during their journey to the wilderness was Christ.

4 And did all drink the same spiritual drink: for they drank of that spiritual Rock that followed them: and that Rock was Christ.
1 Corinthians 10:4.

Did MOses knew that it was Christ?
And the Baptism that paul mentioned (baptism of in the Cloud and in the sea) did moses perform Baptism? it was apostle Paul who explained it.

Like this verse:
35 I have shewed you all things, how that so labouring ye ought to support the weak, and to remember the words of the Lord Jesus, how he said, It is more blessed to give than to receive.
Acts 20:35

Can you read this gospel "its more blessed to give than to receive" from Matthew upto John? Can you read this until the time that Christ went up to heavens?
Its only Apostle Paul who wrote this because he was caught upto 3rd heavens.

Before Christ manifest to Flesh, they will be judged according to the Law of Moses and Prophets. While after Christ manifest to the Flesh they will be judged according to the Gospel or Law of Christ.

Peace!

Peace!

[mr.ho_chia2]

Ephesians 2:8-9
For by grace you have been save through faith and not of your works but it is the gift of God; lest anyman should boast.

We are saved because of the Grace of God. It is not by our own doing. He alone is the reason.
Even faith is not ours, thus the verse "not of your works". Unsay sumpay? but it is a gift of God. Faith is a gift and not an agent for salvation but a medium.

I say YES to this thread.

exactly bro. yah.... yes to this thread!

[nemmo723]

Ephesians 2:8-9
For by grace you have been save through faith and not of your works but it is the gift of God; lest anyman should boast.

We are saved because of the Grace of God. It is not by our own doing. He alone is the reason.
Even faith is not ours, thus the verse "not of your works". Unsay sumpay? but it is a gift of God. Faith is a gift and not an agent for salvation but a medium.

I say YES to this thread.

exactly bro. yah.... yes to this thread!

how can anybody be so sure na naa nimo ang gift of faith? if tubag nimo yes, nakasigurado na diay ka na tagaan ka sa gift of faith. diba ang receiver sa gift has no say on what kind of gift he will be given, or even if mahatagan ba jud siya ug gift.. unya sure na hinuon kaau.

[mr.ho_chia2]

unsang gift imong pasabot sir. d a i:

Ephesians 2:8-9
For by grace you have been save through faith and not of your works but it is the gift of God; lest anyman should boast.

gift of faith d i na imong pasabot sir?
ako pasabot ana is free gift of salvation and to have it is to received the grace of GOD through faith and not by good works. oks?

[nemmo723]

mr. ho,

unsa man ang naka-free ana "free gift of salvation" if mareceive ra na xa via certain conditions?