How confusing is the Bible?

[amingb]

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I don't have a way of knowing which Church is pagan.

Kung striktohon gyud gani, mga pagans man pod ta kay we all come from pagan parents. Kanang symbolism nga gigamit sa mga doctors (a staff or rod, with a snake curled around it) is said to be the staff or rod of Aesculapius (also called Asklepios), the ancient mythical god of medicine. Kanang mga symbolisms/logos nga naa sa atong mga shirts, jeans, underwear, books, are mostly inspired by pagan art. Our wristwatches, our shoes, our clothes have one form or another have pagan influences. Our language, our alphabet, our numbers have strong pagan influences. Even the cross, the decors we use during Christmas also have pagan roots and a whole lot more.

One way or the other, all of us unknowingly promote paganism in some sense.

I cannot categorically say by authority of the scripture which churches today adopt strictly pagan practices although i only have a personal views.

Ang perfection sa tao dili makuha sa Bible ALONE. Remember we are not perfect because we "all have sinned and fall short of God's glory." Ang perfection is how you acknowledge your imperfections and how repentant you are to such imperfections. Then God will do the rest.

Just because there is confusion about the Bible means God is not perfect. You just said it in this thread earlier that it is the interpretation of men that caused the confusion.

Agree. But we have to also rebuke ourselves if we presume to much that we know the Bible that well. Coz no one will be able to achieve such kind of perfection as far as interpretation goes. Even Jesus' great disciples had instances of conflicts/disagreements about Jesus' teaching. (See post below)

Yes. One can accept the Bible even if he/she cannot achieve the perfect interpretation.

As I have said, bisag si Paul ug si Peter, there was even a point of disagreement among the two great men of Jesus about Jesus' teachings, kita pa kaha? Try to read Galatians 2:11-14 and 2 Peter 3:15-16. Daghang instances that you can find in the Bible conflicting views about Jesus' teachings among his followers (ex. Paul and Barnabas, Paul and Mark, etc)

But then we need to acknowledge that disagreements will happen from time to time between Christians. If we cannot find agreement aboiut our doctrine then we should seek peace, whether that is the peace of physical separation or the peace of not allowing the disagreement to affect the relationships.

Doctrines are results of varied interpretations. They could be right or wrong depende sa nagtan-aw. However, it is not doctrine that can save man it is Jesus. The "Hows" is for Jesus alone to do and see in our hearts.

I hope dili ka pul-an bro, nice kaau imoha explanations.

[brownprose]

I hope dili ka pul-an bro, nice kaau imoha explanations.

Daghan salamat. Sige lang bro, di lang gyud ta muhonong sa atong paningkamot sa pagpasabot sa uban. Bsag dili ta uyonan okay lang...padayon lang ta. I know in God's perfect time, we will all find the answers.

God bless us all.

[aubrey_pearl]

I don't have a way of knowing which Church is pagan.

Kung striktohon gyud gani, mga pagans man pod ta kay we all come from pagan parents. Kanang symbolism nga gigamit sa mga doctors (a staff or rod, with a snake curled around it) is said to be the staff or rod of Aesculapius (also called Asklepios), the ancient mythical god of medicine. Kanang mga symbolisms/logos nga naa sa atong mga shirts, jeans, underwear, books, are mostly inspired by pagan art. Our wristwatches, our shoes, our clothes likewise have one form or another pagan influences. Our language, our alphabet, our numbers, too, have strong pagan influences. Even the cross, the decors we use during Christmas also have pagan roots and a whole lot more to mention.

One way or the other, all of us unknowingly promote paganism in some sense.

I cannot categorically say by authority of the scripture which churches today adopt strictly pagan practices although i only have my personal views.

Ang perfection sa tao dili makuha sa Bible ALONE. Remember we are not perfect because we "all have sinned and fall short of God's glory." Ang perfection is how you acknowledge your imperfections and how repentant you are to such imperfections. Then God will do the rest.

Just because there is confusion about the Bible means God is not perfect. You just said it in this thread earlier that it is the interpretation of men that caused the confusion.

Agree. But we have to also rebuke ourselves if we presume too much that we know the Bible that well. Coz no one will be able to achieve such kind of perfection as far as interpretation goes. Even Jesus' great disciples had instances of conflicts/disagreements about Jesus' teaching. (See post below)

Yes. One can accept the Bible even if he/she cannot achieve the perfect interpretation.

As I have said, bisag si Paul ug si Peter, there was even a point of disagreement among the two great men of Jesus and His teachings, kita pa kaha? Try to read Galatians 2:11-14 and 2 Peter 3:15-16 as examples. Daghang pang instances that you can find in the Bible conflicting views about Jesus' teachings among his followers (ex. Paul and Barnabas, Paul and Mark, etc)

But then we need to acknowledge that disagreements will happen from time to time between Christians. If we cannot find agreement about our doctrine then we should seek peace, whether that is the peace of physical separation or the peace of not allowing the disagreement to affect relationships.

Doctrines are results of varied interpretations. They could be right or wrong depende sa nagtan-aw. However, it is not doctrine that can save man it is Jesus. The "Hows" is for Jesus alone to do and see in our hearts.

kasuper ani sir brownprose! pero wa ko ka getz y sa lain boards kay tawgon ka nila "iring buang." sir kabasa ko sa imo post sa Gen Discussions lahi ra gyud kaau ka kay sige lang ka pakatawa. Dire kay mura ka pari hahahaha.

@amingb ako pod basa jud ko ani niya kay open minded nya di jud modaut ug lain religion. maau ta ni basahon sa uban nato diri especially katong sige'g panaway sa uban! :mrgreen:

[brownprose]

kasuper ani sir brownprose! pero wa ko ka getz y sa lain boards kay tawgon ka nila "iring buang." sir kabasa ko sa imo post sa Gen Discussions lahi ra gyud kaau ka kay sige lang ka pakatawa. Dire kay mura ka pari hahahaha.

@amingb ako pod basa jud ko ani niya kay open minded nya di jud modaut ug lain religion. maau ta ni basahon sa uban nato diri especially katong sige'g panaway sa uban! :mrgreen:

wahahahaha...gibuking ko nimo!. yes it's true. iring buang ko sa lain boards kay para pa wa sa duka! i pay serious attention here kay matters of faith dili gyud ti-aw.

thank you mam for the kind words. hope dili pod mo mapul-an sa akong posts kay usahay feeling nako kay boring.

God bless all of us!

[regnauld]

wahahahaha...gibuking ko nimo!. yes it's true. iring buang ko sa lain boards kay para pa wa sa duka! i pay serious attention here kay matters of faith dili gyud ti-aw.

thank you mam for the kind words. hope dili pod mo mapul-an sa akong posts kay usahay feeling nako kay boring.

God bless all of us!

Mura diay ka pari abi nako pastor ka! IRING gyud!!!

[kebot]

God reveal his love, power and glory in the Bible. Bible is the Past, Present and Future (i can only site a few examples.
Past : story of God's Creation
Present: reflection of our faith and guide how we should be a right Christian with faith that act on his faith ans share the good news to everyone that every one is saved and "IT IS DONE" all we have to do is believe and have faith... nag wali naman ko.. hehehe
Future : God Predicts how the battlefield will be Tomorrow and the book of Revelation predicts this event).

Back to the Bible how confusing... Yea we will be confuse in fact we have a different interpretation. God is just holding back if we face to face him with all his splendor and glory we will die. God cannot tolerate sin.

"And he said, Thou canst not see my face: for there shall no man see me, and live..." Exodus 33:20-23

[xxSTARLIGHT]

para nako kung mtuo Lang ka.. waLai mawaLa nmu =)

[kebot]

para nako kung mtuo Lang ka.. waLai mawaLa nmu =)

Bro/Sis You are correct. Wala jud mawala sa imo.

But faith will not save you not even good works. Its only by Grace. Good works is the fruit of what you believe in. I just want to say that there is no neutral ground. Its like this whether you serve God or Money. You cant have them both.

But i did not say this directly at you. Its for the readers of this thread that somehow they will know rather than not knowing at all. Peace to everyone.

[regnauld]

Bro/Sis You are correct. Wala jud mawala sa imo.

But faith will not save you not even good works. Its only by Grace. Good works is the fruit of what you believe in. I just want to say that there is no neutral ground. Its like this whether you serve God or Money. You cant have them both.

But i did not say this directly at you. Its for the readers of this thread that somehow they will know rather than not knowing at all. Peace to everyone.

There is no literal salvation. All salvation is symbolic which means AWAKENING FROM YOUR SLEEP!

[kebot]

There is no literal salvation. All salvation is symbolic which means AWAKENING FROM YOUR SLEEP!

Sorry bro but i will not allow you to destroy/discredit the Bible.

Eph 2:8-9, "For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: Not of works, lest any man should boast." But notice that in verse 10 it says, "For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them." I believe it's telling us that we can't be 'saved' by our works, but we are suppose to live a Godly life as a Christian. We aren't to claim we are Christians, and then go out and continue to live in the world.

I know you said it because you are confident, proud and very intelligent. Somehow I envy your knowledge bro but I'd rather be dull knowing Christ than Intelligent that doesn't believe in him.

I give you this verse bro:

Pride has kept many people from accepting Jesus Christ as Savior. Admitting sin and acknowledging that in our own strength we can do nothing to inherit eternal life is a constant stumbling block for prideful people. We are not to boast about ourselves; if we want to boast, then we are to proclaim the glories of God. What we say about ourselves means nothing in God’s work. It is what God says about us that makes the difference (2 Corinthians 10:13).


I can boldly say bro you are a proud man. Confident and well equip with the knowledge of the world. For Christians this world will pass and the finish line is not death but to be with God face to face at all his splendor power and glory.