unsay sabot nimo sa SANTOS-angay ampoan?

[bluefairy]

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so you mean to say if you evangelize to people who are in beerhouses, you can't pray for them coz God is not there? It is true that God is in Heaven, but He is also in the earth and even beyond it.

Isaiah 66:1

This is what the LORD says:
"Heaven is my throne,
and the earth is my footstool.

Jeremiah 23:24

Can anyone hide in secret places
so that I cannot see him?"
declares the LORD.
"Do not I fill heaven and earth?" ----> wala man niya gi ingon na except in bad places
declares the LORD.

Proverbs 15:3

3 The eyes of the LORD are everywhere,
keeping watch on the wicked and the good

Anyway, off-topic naman ni. But my point is, only God can hear our prayers, know our thoughts, etc etc etc, even if we pray to Him at the same time. That's what makes him the Supreme being.

I understand your apple analogy but the thing is, God is an infinite being, he is not limited by time or space.

[miss tapya]

yes not in your prayers or story telling but in your actions its an act of worship like:
kneeling down, asking for help or blessings, by feast, and lighting candle in your altar.

Peace!

ibutang ta mao na...akong question: Kahibalo ka unsay naa sa sulod sa ilang heart? Kinsay ilang gisangpit og unsa ilang intentions sa dihang meluhod sila?...

People tend to judge og unsa lang ilang nakit-an. Tungod kay ilang nakit an sila meluhod atubangan anang usa ka rebulto..mo conclude na dayon nga mao na sila ang giludhan....

[makusama]

diha ka sayop kay nihawa ko sa Catholic kay edad ko 20 anyos.
So sa dihang nag-eskwela ko sa Catholic School kay 16 anyos ko kutob (grade 1 to 4th year HS). Yes sakto ka lahi ang education sa private school pero ang nakaapan puerte pud mahala ang tuition dili kaafford ang pobre sama namo kung dili mangutang.

minority man kaha mi bro, nanglabay mig granada?
basig nakalimot ka sa sulti sa PAPA ninyo sa una "outside Catholic Church can't seen salvation".
Majority gyud mo kay pila ra ang pagsulti nga Catholic og adto simbahan manguros nya attend misa og 1 hr nya now you see now you don't (except sa naa pirmi sa simbahan ninyo).
kinsa pa man diay lain ang gi-replayan ni Makusama? klaro ana nga ako.
Gikan ko sa Catholic School (Saint Alphonsus Catholic School).
In fairness nindot ang standard sa ila education kay competitive gyud kung magtinaron lang pero ang nakaapan kay mahal gyud.
nag-eskwela ko elementary hangtud HS pero nihawa ko sa Catholic pag edad nakog 20.
So sa panahong wala pa ko nihawa nituo gyud ko nga sakto ang Catholic.

Peace!

Dili ikaw akong gipasabot kay wala ko kaila nimo. Example rato oi.

St. Alphosus diay ka? SACS? Hehehehe dili na sila maayo og Cathecism bro... daghan ko friends from there sad na nag lutaw ila faith. Hehehe taga Opon diay ni si RCruman
Murag man ko nampersonal ani tanawon.. tsk tsk tsk bati nani dah... kamo sa padayon sa topic.. pahuwayan sa ni nako sige post dinhi spiritual board

[necrotic freak]

Really? naay giingon nga God is EVERYWHERE? omnipresent?
Answer me bro,

Can God be in Cabaret, Beerhouse, Septic Tank, Drug Session, Casino?
You can't find in the bible that God is OMNIPRESENT, or "He is everywhere".

It goes like this:
APples "can" be in everywhere in the world but Apples is not everywhere, get the point?


Peace!

lisura na nimo ug paminsar rcruman oi.. ang statement nga pwerting sayuna sabton asta tingali bata kasabot pero himuon jud ug sikwati ni rcruman.. ako may makuyawan nimo dong.. labaw pman kas ga drugs..

[dartzed]

OT:hehehe i second the motion with this^_^

[maddox]

From wikidpedia: (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Idolatry)
"Catholic and Orthodox Christians use religious objects such as Crosses, Icons, incense, the Gospel, Bible, candles and religious vestments. Icons are mainly in two and rarely in three dimensional form. These are in dogmatic theory venerated as objects filled with God's grace and power -- (therefore Eastern Orthodoxy declares they are not "hollow forms" {see idol} and hence, not idols). Evidence for the use of these, they claim, is found in the Old Testament and in Early Christian worship (see Wikipedia article under heading "Icons")."

I grew up in a Catholic school and I think I understand why saints are included in the Catholic prayers. And I think this quote from Wikipedia helps to explain it.

Ang problema lang gud karong mga panahona (or maskin pa sauna) kay ang mga rebolto man gud sa mga santos mismo ludhan ug ampoan na. Given that images only represent divine personages and those divine personages act as adjutants between man and God.. pero sa ako nabantayan ang mga pag-ampo usahay gi-direkta na man gyud mismo sa mga santos.

For example: "San Pedro, padauga intawn to akong numero.": "San --- padauga intawn ang Ginebra."; "San --- papasara intawn ko sa exam."; "San --- pakuana intawn ang etc..."

Even if the prayers towards the saints are sincere and with good intention, dili gyud angay unta i-direkta mismo sa santos if the saints are there merely as adjutants for us towards God.

And from this famous verse:
"...You shall not make for yourself a graven image, or any likeness of anything that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth; you shall not bow down to them or serve them;..." (Exodus 20:3-6).

Maskin pa siguro ga-represent lang ang mga rebolto sa mga santos, ug ang mga santos mutabang kanato pagpaduol sa Ginoo, pero dili gyud angay ludhan uy.

Murag sobra na na nga pagpakita ug reverence.

From Meriam Webster (www.m-w.com) definition of the word "worship":
2: reverence offered a divine being or supernatural power; also : an act of expressing such reverence
3: a form of religious practice with its creed and ritual
4: extravagant respect or admiration for or devotion to an object of esteem

Para sa akoa, murag nahulog na man sad gud ni nga worshipping bro.

[rcruman]

lisura na nimo ug paminsar rcruman oi.. ang statement nga pwerting sayuna sabton asta tingali bata kasabot pero himuon jud ug sikwati ni rcruman.. ako may makuyawan nimo dong.. labaw pman kas ga drugs..

dalia gud nimo kaaingon ana bro.
Why not show first verses that God is everywhere (OMNIPRESENT) rather concluding that "labaw pako sa naka drugs".
That's all you can do attack personally.
Give bible verse first then we will settle it.

OT:hehehe i second the motion with this^_^

What would I expect from you, praise? of course same bird flocks together.
Be objective.

Peace!

[necrotic freak]

From wikidpedia: (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Idolatry)
"Catholic and Orthodox Christians use religious objects such as Crosses, Icons, incense, the Gospel, Bible, candles and religious vestments. Icons are mainly in two and rarely in three dimensional form. These are in dogmatic theory venerated as objects filled with God's grace and power -- (therefore Eastern Orthodoxy declares they are not "hollow forms" {see idol} and hence, not idols). Evidence for the use of these, they claim, is found in the Old Testament and in Early Christian worship (see Wikipedia article under heading "Icons")."

I grew up in a Catholic school and I think I understand why saints are included in the Catholic prayers. And I think this quote from Wikipedia helps to explain it.

Ang problema lang gud karong mga panahona (or maskin pa sauna) kay ang mga rebolto man gud sa mga santos mismo ludhan ug ampoan na. Given that images only represent divine personages and those divine personages act as adjutants between man and God.. pero sa ako nabantayan ang mga pag-ampo usahay gi-direkta na man gyud mismo sa mga santos.

For example: "San Pedro, padauga intawn to akong numero.": "San --- padauga intawn ang Ginebra."; "San --- papasara intawn ko sa exam."; "San --- pakuana intawn ang etc..."

Even if the prayers towards the saints are sincere and with good intention, dili gyud angay unta i-direkta mismo sa santos if the saints are there merely as adjutants for us towards God.

And from this famous verse:
"...You shall not make for yourself a graven image, or any likeness of anything that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth; you shall not bow down to them or serve them;..." (Exodus 20:3-6).

Maskin pa siguro ga-represent lang ang mga rebolto sa mga santos, ug ang mga santos mutabang kanato pagpaduol sa Ginoo, pero dili gyud angay ludhan uy.

Murag sobra na na nga pagpakita ug reverence.

From Meriam Webster (www.m-w.com) definition of the word "worship":
2: reverence offered a divine being or supernatural power; also : an act of expressing such reverence
3: a form of religious practice with its creed and ritual
4: extravagant respect or admiration for or devotion to an object of esteem

Para sa akoa, murag nahulog na man sad gud ni nga worshipping bro.

yes tinuod na bro... naa jud mga tao (catholic) nga ingana.. pero dili pod ta maka blame nila kay sa tinudanay lang kuwang or kaha wala jud na sila ma tarong ug tudlo sa catechism sa church. labi na ang mga karaan tao (tiguwang) ug dili raba jud na cla magpa badlong kay lagi mas karaan pa sila.. daghan man gud klase sa katoliko usa nana sila sa katoliko ra sa ngalan pero walay alam mismo sa ilang religion.. ug mao ni sila ang prone sa mga bornagainst! potential prey..hehe

[dartzed]

What would I expect from you, praise? of course same bird flocks together.
Be objective.

Peace!

you assume too much brother RC, the main problem is dili man mi bird tawn oi...
that is only applicable sa mga lower animals oi...

[staboringgi]

kung santos nga apelido dili angay gyud ampoan...but kung santos nga martir kana pwede kay sila motabang nato mga tao pagpadangat sa atong katuyo-an didto sa labawng makagagahum...