Are You a Photographer Worth Six Thousand Pesos?

[nowayL]

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Bisan ako Bro, wala man gyud koy plano nga mo-earn ko sa Photography, ang akoa lingaw2x raman gyud ni. Pero kung naay mohagad nako nga ilaha kung pa-shooton sa ilang kasal or any event nya tagaan ko nila for example 10K or lesser, pwerte sugota nako kay lingaw2x raman akoa nya nisalig man sila nako. Kana pa naa koy subject nya bayaran pako ... hehe ... Mogasto man gani ko ug adto anang lagyo kaayo para lang maka-shoot or para lang naay subjects, samot naning bayaran ko ... hehe... ka alegre.

[Eve's Apple Project]

^^ mao lagi bai..ako hobby raman ni. wa koy plano mag negosyo, pero parehas nimo if maabot man ang adlaw nga mosulod ko ani..aw dawat ko oi..kana pa nga makat-on pud ta while gibayran. it's good na naa nay mga realistic diri nga thread. nang gawas na ang mga parehas nato og views..

[caranzodigital]

naa ron diha ang kalainan if modawat ka ug ginagmay or dinagko.

- if ever imong rate medyo dako kaysa 6K, maka afford ka ug upgrade ug makapalit paka ug mga necessary nga mga add-on equipments

- if below 6K den mag sige raka gamit ug kitlens ug 1 body ra jud ug laktud dili jud ka ka upgrade kay kulang man ang imong gi-income sa pag shoot, at the end of the day magbagutbut raka kay gamay ra ang imong nadawat nga tf.

- lahi sab if hobbyist lang ka ug mo sideline ka ug wedding kay wala manka mag salig ug income sa wedding para maka upgrade.

bottom line is, you need to give yourself a chance to grow in wedding photography business investment + ROI = survival

[Eve's Apple Project]

^^ exactly bai..di ka mabuhi if 6K ra ang imo pangayoon oi. clearly pang newbies rana ng kit lens ang gamit. Di na negosyo, panglingaw2 ra na (or starting). mao nga di sad ko makaki-ingon nga mamatay ang mga Pro ana.

[caranzodigital]

^^ exactly bai..di ka mabuhi if 6K ra ang imo pangayoon oi. clearly pang newbies rana ng kit lens ang gamit. Di na negosyo, panglingaw2 ra na (or starting). mao nga di sad ko makaki-ingon nga mamatay ang mga Pro ana.

mao na 1 reason pud why dili maka upgrade bisan ug dugay-dugay na sige ug shoot ug wedding.... sorry not to offend if naa parehas sa akung comment nga experience ..... reality lang jud.

if maka offer ka ug 20K pataas den naa reason nga maka upgrade jud ka ug clearly mabuhi nimo imong pamilya.

[pakensyit]

praktis2x lang sa ko mga brad para puhon makapresyo sad ko sama ninyo nga mga masters na.

[jadestoner]

this is a nice thread. agree ko sa points sa TS and nila sir caranzo, nowayL, Eve's. in any business naa man jud mga well established nah and naa sad ang mga start-up pa lang. same2 raman sad ngali na sa photography (i'm not sure kay as of now hobbyist raman ko). the 64k+ pf nga photogs are the one's u expect to have the high-end full frame cameras, studio, assistants, editors and you expect top quality from them. on the other end of the spectrum kai naa raman sad gud mi mga starters pa nga camera and kit ra ang naa, at times naa lng upgrade nga gamay, some get paid but i know some like me nga free ra. we do it for fun and the results aren't expected to be amazing but for the love of the hobby kay we do our best when doing the shoot and post processing, hit or miss lang sad ang results. but like sir nowayl and eve's said, kung naay mu-offer nga mu-shoot ko sa event nya bayaran ko ug 10k why not dba? i just don't see it in my direct future nga mu-quit sa akong day job. wala ta kbaw if i slowly get more and more clients nya daghan2 na ganahan sa ako output then that may be the day to invest in a business then ask for a higher fee. for now, hinay2 lng, learning pa bitaw. hehehehe... ka taas bah sa ako na-yaw2.. hahaha... God bless natong tanan and let's keep shooting may it be for our hobby or our way of living! ^_^

[koto]

wow very informative thread ..... hehehehe

IMHO

- reality speaks for itself that majority of the couple who get married are only earning minimum wages
and with your 280 per day do you think you can afford to spend 69K photography budget?
- even manager who only earns 20K-30K monthly salary still looking for an affordable services.
- unless you have a big savings or you have a lots of money where you can spend more than 69K.

- what happen to those less fortunate (like security guards, janitors or even waiters) can they afford the 69K budget?

- and one thing also, if their is strict rules of being a photographer and you need to enroll and earned your degree in photography, is it makes you a better photographer?
- now what happen to those photogs who do self-study are they disqualified to this business? if ever this is the case then i need to hang-up my camera and go back to a day job.


lastly, every budget depends how much your customer can afford.

just my 2 centavos.

-Syempre did2 sila sa baratohon, meaning less gear(P&S) x less experience(sideline sideline) x less skills/research photogs.

-The Reason for making TESDA accreditation for Photography is to secure you and the clients/employers. More Photography Business now are not even SEC/DTi/BIR Register. It dosent mean mo quit naka sa imo nahan ee trabaho kundi mo sakay lang ka sa rules, Driver need Driving License to work.

-last year i work parttime album layout artist in Chicago for a month and i ask the photographer if everyone can afford her rate, she told me of course not all here in Illinois got that budget for a wedding so they go for a kid with a camera and pay him peanuts. GOOD PHOTOS ARE NOT CHEAP, CHEAP PHOTOS ARE NOT GOOD.
And the Photography Business is not a non-profit CHARITY WORK! But if you want to help just offer once a year to a poor couple for free.

-mu dawat man ghapon kog couples na maka afford lang og P1k per hour nako (1.5-2k ako per hour rate) samot na if gwapa or gwapo na couples kay magamit na sa ako portfolio (good portfolio = more potential clients)
NAA LANG GYUD mga uban na Couples na KAhibaw ko dako ila budget nya mag tinihik pa gyud kay para ma bulsa pa ila budget (mostly couples ila budget sponsor man sa parents/relative and ninongs)
Like Last Month nai couples na hangyu kayu sila 15k budget for photo and video (F*ck) and kamao ko pila ila budget which is 300k kay kaila ko sa ila pamilya, nya grabe kayu sila nag tinihik sa halos tanan. (sure ko if nag basa ka ani Regel kamao ka kinsa ako pasabot hahaa) And thats signal nga you have to turn down kay ikaw ra ma ankalse sa hago.

Basta para nako mau ni Formula para ma survive

Gears:
Camera System
any mid-range dslr like canon 60d or nikon d7000 + cheap prime lens or 3rd party f2.8 wide and mid zoom lens

Computer + Internet
25k budget PC or Laptop can handle PP for 4-6yrs
make marketing collateral's and promote your business to the world using the internet.
Abuse Social Network Sites its one way you can do negotiation without facing your clients XD

Experience
Shoot everyone and everywhere. let your client work with your budget atleast 80% of all the clients. Always Research for the latest trend and apply it if its pretty enough to last a lifetime. Be Open-minded to all styles but always make your own. but if your current style of shooting does not work. Save that and try another one.
Learn from the Best, style, marketing and even how they look & smell. presenting your self will always get you more clients. if nakay budget para gym og pa facial buhatana kay good looking people always get the job.

Business + Marketing
if you can afford Marketing Agency, hire them. if you can not do it yourself.
Learn how to manage your money. sample: MAKE YOUR OWN MONTHLY SALARY EVEN IF YOU OWN YOUR BUSINESS if your rate is 25k and sa imo calculation nakay ma kuha na 5k ginanasya sa imo hago, + imo ma meet ang 4-8 bookings per month so naakay 20k-40k na ginaansya, always put it in your mind imo salary is only 20k per month if nai subra ee save lang cuz nai time na mga 2 bookings lang ka sa month like MArch and April pinaka mingaw na month sa wedding and event photography.
Buy and Keep the Gears that you only use.
REad Marketing books na ang author kay pinoy and ma apply dire sa pinas.
Practice Public Speaking it will help you be more confident and prepare.
If nai Publication nahan mo use sa imo Photo for FRee do it if that publication is well known and ma credited ka, Thats already Free Advertising. But always ask if you will be pay, Reminder lang na sa Publication GAmay bayad og usahay libre, basta ayaw lang sugot if CHAKA na magazine/newspaper hahaa
Join Groups or Clubs, not photography clubs but business clubs this are the people you want to be close or make friends with. This people might need your service so better be active and be known so that when they need a Photographer ikaw una ma sulod sa ila pag pangita.

etc.. etc...

^^ mabawa og intelligent discussion sa inyo sa? preno sa pagarpar bai. this is not your site para magbuot-bout ka. stick to the topic nalng. di man ni popularity contest bai ("Like" button ei?!) karon pa siguro ka kasulod og forum...maka comment ang tao bai basta member sa site kay forum man gud ni. if you want to be respected, learn how to respect sa.

@TS: thanks sa info bai. but i noticed way cebu sa imo gipanghatag (mas pa nga wa jud na sa mindanao). how will we be able to build a guild bai kung gamay ra ang naay chance makaskwela ana bai. naa ra sa NCR tanan. I remember nag offer ang IAFT og photography & tesda sad (but dili bachelors degree) before.sorry ngutana nalng sad ko, naa ba ang mga known universities ana diri bai? I think the main discussion is the business of photography & not the art right? if so, i think mas angay nga i regulate tong mga nagpa seminar og photography kay mas dako to silag igo (1-3 days ra ,wa pajuy i-edit.). 6K is only for those hobbyista nga nag try lang if makaya nila. later they will realize nga di na mao ang saktong rate, mosaka rana sila.

@gengehs


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@Eve's
Coming na ang Cebu bai

one is a University (di lang sa ko mag saba hehee)
nya napud usa nga daghan ma interested na school specially sa mga bayot og feeling gwapa hahaa di pa sad ko mag saba sa name sa school but it will be in banilad or talamban ang ila first campus sa vis-min

The Reason wala nako wala gi butang ang cebu na photo shool cuz kana ako gi pang butang mao na ang mga higly recomended! When i say HIGHLY RECOMMENDED the way they teach is not only for the money but it will surely give you BIG UPGRADE sa Photo knowledge.
Good Thing they allow me to enroll Photography Subjects even thou im enroll to 1yr 3D Design and Animation. And some teachers are kind enough to invite me for their class as a sit-in student hahaa


i think i-academy in makati and CIIT will open Diploma Course in Photography, which is more cheaper tuition than St.Benilde.
Sa informatics na sad sila Photography pero sure ko how to operate and shoot lang ila tudlo nimo

some pics i took while i was stilll in benilde

DLS St. Benilde Art and Design Campus

Untitled_Panorama1 copy copy resize by homeranthony, on Flickr

Canteen

DSC02685 by homeranthony, on Flickr

Interior Design Dept

DSC02681 by homeranthony, on Flickr

Layout of the building

DSC02676 by homeranthony, on Flickr

a 20ft student installation work

DSC02673 by homeranthony, on Flickr

11th floor hall way (film shot)

15740032 by homeranthony, on Flickr

Old School 16mm Animation Scanner/Recorder/Projector basta all in one ni, this is what they use to take a shots of each frame.

15740032 by homeranthony, on Flickr


_DSC7138 by homeranthony, on Flickr

school elevator

DSC02660 by homeranthony, on Flickr

Photography Dept. Im gonna look for the other pictures in the Photography Dept.

DSC02657 by homeranthony, on Flickr

Coffee Shop inside the school

DSC02652 by homeranthony, on Flickr

PC workstation classmate (Quad Core 2.5ghz with Radeon FireGL Vcard)

DSC02639 by homeranthony, on Flickr

My 16sq meter flat in vitto cruz city land. Small room but i like the view

DSC04407 - 2 by homeranthony, on Flickr

my flat building (60% students ranging from Iranian, Korean, Japanese, Sudanese, Chinese, Singaporean and Filipino.) takes only 5-8min walk from school

_DSC9614 by homeranthony, on Flickr

my favorite view. A mix of Progress and Poverty

DSC04431 PP by homeranthony, on Flickr

The Benilde Computers are mostly Mac with Win Xp ( this is around 2009)

DSC05284 by homeranthony, on Flickr

some of my 3D model with IK Rigging in Maya Exercise

DSC05285 by homeranthony, on Flickr

my classmates. That japanese Girl at the corner is now an FHM model hahaa

DSC03522 by homeranthony, on Flickr

On the Job Training at Holy Cow Animation Studios as After Effects Artist

IMG_4618 by homeranthony, on Flickr


IMG_4634 by homeranthony, on Flickr

Busy Night As Always in the Studio, i think this is around 11pm already

IMG_4628 by homeranthony, on Flickr

[kaotep]

ok lang man six thousand pesos, if it's just a 1-2 hour shoot like kiddie parties ehehe

[koto]

ok lang man six thousand pesos, if it's just a 1-2 hour shoot like kiddie parties ehehe

sakto na gai kayu na, ako charge per hour if events (partys, birthdays, debut, opeaning, anniversary, and baptismal) is 1.5k-2k minimum of 3hrs maximum of 12hrs, + Gas money P300-P2000 within Cebu