China or the US?

[gloryhunter]

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China.

China will rule the world.

[joe_cebuyas]

Who do you prefer or see as more practial an ally? China or the US? apparently China, Russia, India, Brazil have formed an alliance called BRIC(Brazil, Russia, India, China) to compete with the European Untion and United States. China being so close to the Phillipines, isnt someone you want to make enemy.. on the other hand, we have good relations with the United States.

Bati ang BRIC. Adto ta apil sa alliance sa Bangladesh, Indonesia, Laos, Afghanistan & Thailand (*****). Mas nindot!

[SPRINGFIELD_XD_40]

BRIC :

Brazil - How can they help the Philippines ? Make the Islands into something of a swingers paradise ? Train our soccer players for a better team for the Sea games ?

Russia -They are still recovering up to today from the COld War . Probably make the Philippines a hidden arsenal of nukes ?

India - They are more corrupt than the Philippines , how can a country be prodcutive when an ally isnt even up to par to the Filipinos expectations .

China - Less money , more problems ... ok ra unta to ifr more money more problems . We see the CHINESE COMMUNITIES outside CHina very successful but a reason for being outside CHina , go to CHIna and find out for yourself why a lot of CHinese migrated elsewhere just like us the Filipinos .

[kermit_criminal]

BRIC :

Brazil - How can they help the Philippines ? Make the Islands into something of a swingers paradise ? Train our soccer players for a better team for the Sea games ?

Russia -They are still recovering up to today from the COld War . Probably make the Philippines a hidden arsenal of nukes ?

India - They are more corrupt than the Philippines , how can a country be prodcutive when an ally isnt even up to par to the Filipinos expectations .

China - Less money , more problems ... ok ra unta to ifr more money more problems . We see the CHINESE COMMUNITIES outside CHina very successful but a reason for being outside CHina , go to CHIna and find out for yourself why a lot of CHinese migrated elsewhere just like us the Filipinos .

China less money then the Philippines? no. read this report by American Multinational conglomerate Goldman, Sachs and Company.

http://www.hinduonnet.com/thehindu/2...2406240900.htm

According to the Goldman Sachs study, in less than 40 years, the BRIC's economies could be larger than the G-6 in dollar terms; China could overtake the U.S. as the world's largest economy in a little over 30 years. Of the current G-6, only the U.S. and Japan may be among the six largest economies in 2050; new demand from BRIC's economies could rival the current G-6 within a decade and dwarf it by 2050; individuals in BRIC are still likely to be poorer on an average than individuals in the G-6 countries, except in Russia.

[kermit_criminal]

nobody in the media seems to be picking up on this growing mega giant, Iran will be joining the alliance as well. Then you have chinese president Hu is courting Indonesia, Cuba and South Africa, Argentina, Chile ON TOP of states that have already formally signed economic/military agreements in Venezuala and Iran. People can talk about how far they are currently, all they want. but the more you deny the reality the harder its going to hit you in a couple decades.

"In the middle of the First World War, Vladimir Lenin, that notable expert on power politics, observed with a mixture of amazement and conviction, "Half a century ago, Germany was a miserable, insignificant country, compared with the strength of England at that time. Japan was similarly insignificant, compared with Russia. Is it 'conceivable' that in 10 or 20 years' time the relative strength of the powers will have remained unchanged? Absolutely inconceivable.

On November 10, Russia took the lead role in coalition with China, India and Brazil to challenge the super-power supremacy of the US.

The footprint of Russia and China on South America has begun.

Brazil and Venezuela are very open to the coalition concept where these large countries support each other in terms of trade, economics, international politics and defense. This coalition is composed of 75% of the world’s population and 80% of its natural resources.

Iran is about to join the coalition due to their US$200 billion energy deal with China. Brazil and Venezuela can no longer be pillaged at will, nor any of South America.

"President of Peru to sign military
cooperation agreement with Russia"

[size=18px]The BRICs Are Coming--Fast[/size]

A Goldman economist talks about rapid growth in Brazil, Russia, India, and China

In less than 40 years, China is likely to surpass the U.S. as the world's largest economy and, together with Brazil, Russia, and India -- a.k.a. the BRICs -- will overshadow the economic might of the seven leading industrialized nations of today. So says a Goldman, Sachs & Co. report on these largest emerging economies released on Oct. 1. The provocative conclusions, which initially stemmed from a demographic study, are already attracting wide interest. Goldman's Dominic Wilson, who co-authored the report with fellow economist Roopa Purushothaman, spoke recently about the study with International Finance Editor Chester Dawson.
http://www.businessweek.com/magazine...5187_mz035.htm

[size=18px]Russia and China announce strategic partnership in a bid to counter expanding Western military and fiscal influences[/size]
[size=9px]Babu Ghanta, Special Correspondent
February 03, 2005 [/size]


Tang Jiaxuan, a member of China's State Council, said Russia and China have similar positions on regional and global issues. Tang said Moscow is Beijing's key ally in its effort to maintain a strategic partnership.

Sources say, Russia and China have formally joined hands to stop expanding American and European military as well as economic global influences.


The strategic partnership can be very significant in providing a combined counter effect to the only Super Power of the world – America.

The partnership between China and Russia actually started last year just after the start of the Iraq war. The two countries came close to each other in terms of supporting each other. Russia now provides significant amount of China’s energy needs. China now provides financial guarantee and loan to Russia without announcing the same explicitly.

Russian and Chinese military are having secret joint sessions to create the strategy of self defense in case of any invasion from other countries.

In the front of fight against terrorism, Russia and China has also formed an alliance. China and Russia both are concerned about Islamic militants in Chechnya as well Chinese Muslim areas in South West China.

China's creation of a mechanism to consult with Russia on security issues marks the first time China has ever entered into such a venture, a senior Chinese official visiting the Kremlin said.

China secretly loaned Russia US Dollar 6.0 Billion to nationalize the Yukos oil company.

International think tanks suggest that soon Russia-China strategic partnership will form a NATO type military and G7 type economic alliance. India and Brazil will be invited to join the alliance.

"Call it "Operation American Backyard."

Hu's whirlwind tour of Brazil, Argentina, Chile and Cuba the past week or so, however, has illustrated the extent to which Beijing can exploit the less-than-cozy relations between the U.S. and Latin America to establish major economic and energy footholds in Washington's backyard. The Bush White House certainly does not want to see Beijing boosting its influence in countries such as Venezuela and Cuba, whose leaderships have thumbed their nose at Washington. Beijing's apparent success in securing oil supplies from Venezuela could undercut that country's crude exports to the U.S. And ever more intimate economic cooperation between China and Cuba will hurt the ability of the Bush administration to put pressure on the Fidel Castro regime through the imposition of sanctions. Indeed, in his meeting with a wheelchair-bound Castro earlier this week, Hu rhapsodized over the fact that China and Cuba were "not only friends, but brothers." The Chinese president then vowed to boost economic and technological aid to the pariah state.

http://www.asiamedia.ucla.edu/articl...parentid=17108
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[kermit_criminal]

China and India have had talks of alligning as an economic powerhouse, and they created the BRIC Alliance with Brazil and Russia in terms of energy. There is also G-20 alliance which includes India, China, Brazil, Egypt, Argentina, Chile, Cuba, South Africa, Zimbabwe and Pakistan among others. Uruguay joined the group on Friday taking up the total membership to 21.

India, China and Brazil of the BRIC alliance led the first attack on the US and EU for removal of farm subsidies. They were supported by the developing nations of the G-20. They demanded US and EU to freeze the farm subsidy immediately and abolish the same in five years. According to experts US and EU have no intensions to follow the demands of these developing nations. This may be start of the formal worldwide trade war.

http://www.indiadaily.com/editorial/01-04f-05.asp

Russian President Putin has nationalized the Yukos oil company � the largest oil producer of Russia. It is evident that the West and BRIC will confront each other during the next ten years on energy. As Russia is pushed back by the Western nations especially America, Putin leads the BRIC alliance and plays the oil trump card.

All said and done, the world is already fighting a cold war on crude oil. As China, India and Brazil, their oil appetite will make them glued to Russia and each other. Venezuela well influenced by Brazil will provide additional oil assets to BRIC.

[kermit_criminal]

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[size=18px]China builds up strategic sea lanes[/size]
[size=9px]By Bill Gertz
THE WASHINGTON TIMES[/size]


China is building up military forces and setting up bases along sea lanes from the Middle East to project its power overseas and protect its oil shipments, according to a previously undisclosed internal report prepared for Defense Secretary Donald H. Rumsfeld.

"China is building strategic relationships along the sea lanes from the Middle East to the South China Sea in ways that suggest defensive and offensive positioning to protect China's energy interests, but also to serve broad security objectives," said the report sponsored by the director, Net Assessment, who heads Mr. Rumsfeld's office on future-oriented strategies.

The Washington Times obtained a copy of the report, titled "Energy Futures in Asia," which was produced by defense contractor Booz Allen Hamilton.

The internal report stated that China is adopting a "string of pearls" strategy of bases and diplomatic ties stretching from the Middle East to southern China that includes a new naval base under construction at the Pakistani port of Gwadar.

Beijing already has set up electronic eavesdropping posts at Gwadar in the country's southwest corner, the part nearest the Persian Gulf. The post is monitoring ship traffic through the Strait of Hormuz and the Arabian Sea, the report said.

Other "pearls" in the sea-lane strategy include:
[list][*] Bangladesh: China is strengthening its ties to the government and building a container port facility at Chittagong. The Chinese are "seeking much more extensive naval and commercial access" in Bangladesh. [*] Burma: China has developed close ties to the military regime in Rangoon and turned a nation wary of China into a "satellite" of Beijing close to the Strait of Malacca, through which 80 percent of China's imported oil passes.
China is building naval bases in Burma and has electronic intelligence gathering facilities on islands in the Bay of Bengal and near the Strait of Malacca. Beijing also supplied Burma with "billions of dollars in military assistance to support a de facto military alliance," the report said. [*]Cambodia: China signed a military agreement in November 2003 to provide training and equipment. Cambodia is helping Beijing build a railway line from southern China to the sea. [*]South China Sea: Chinese activities in the region are less about territorial claims than "protecting or denying the transit of tankers through the South China Sea," the report said.
China also is building up its military forces in the region to be able to "project air and sea power" from the mainland and Hainan Island. China recently upgraded a military airstrip on Woody Island and increased its presence through oil drilling platforms and ocean survey ships. [*]Thailand: China is considering funding construction of a $20 billion canal across the Kra Isthmus that would allow ships to bypass the Strait of Malacca. The canal project would give China port facilities, warehouses and other infrastructure in Thailand aimed at enhancing Chinese influence in the region, the report said.[/list:u]

The report reflects growing fears in the Pentagon about China's long-term development. Many Pentagon analysts believe China's military buildup is taking place faster than earlier estimates, and that China will use its power to project force and undermine U.S. and regional security.

The U.S. military's Southern Command produced a similar classified report in the late 1990s that warned that China was seeking to use commercial port facilities around the world to control strategic "chokepoints."

A Chinese company with close ties to Beijing's communist rulers holds long-term leases on port facilities at either end of the Panama Canal.

The Pentagon report said China, by militarily controlling oil shipping sea lanes, could threaten ships, "thereby creating a climate of uncertainty about the safety of all ships on the high seas."

The report noted that the vast amount of oil shipments through the sea lanes, along with growing piracy and maritime terrorism, prompted China, as well as India, to build up naval power at "chokepoints" along the sea routes from the Persian Gulf to the South China Sea.

"China ... is looking not only to build a blue-water navy to control the sea lanes, but also to develop undersea mines and missile capabilities to deter the potential disruption of its energy supplies from potential threats, including the U.S. Navy, especially in the case of a conflict with Taiwan," the report said.

Chinese weapons for sea-lane control include new warships equipped with long-range cruise missiles, submarines and undersea mines, the report said. China also is buying aircraft and long-range target acquisition systems, including optical satellites and maritime unmanned aerial vehicles.

The focus on the naval buildup is a departure from China's past focus on ground forces, the report said.

"The Iraq war, in particular, revived concerns over the impact of a disturbance in Middle Eastern supplies or a U.S. naval blockade," the report said, noting that Chinese military leaders want an ocean-going navy and "undersea retaliatory capability to protect the sea lanes."

China believes the U.S. military will disrupt China's energy imports in any conflict over Taiwan, and sees the United States as an unpredictable country that violates others' sovereignty and wants to "encircle" China, the report said.

Beijing's leaders see access to oil and gas resources as vital to economic growth and fear that stalled economic growth could cause instability and ultimately the collapse of their nation of 1.3 billion people.

Energy demand, particularly for oil, will increase sharply in the next 20 years — from 75 million barrels per day last year to 120 million barrels in 2025 — with Asia consuming 80 percent of the added 45 million barrels, the report said.

Eighty percent of China's oil currently passes through the Strait of Malacca, and the report states that China believes the sea area is "controlled by the U.S. Navy."

Chinese President Hu Jintao recently stated that China faces a "Malacca Dilemma" — the vulnerability of its oil supply lines from the Middle East and Africa to disruption.

Oil-tanker traffic through the Strait, which is closest to Indonesia, is projected to grow from 10 million barrels a day in 2002 to 20 million barrels a day in 2020, the report said.

Chinese specialists interviewed for the report said the United States has the military capability to cut off Chinese oil imports and could "severely cripple" China by blocking its energy supplies.

http://www.washtimes.com/national/20...5550-1929r.htm

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China.

China will rule the world.

OT : Unsa command and conquer. heheheheh

[SPRINGFIELD_XD_40]

China less money then the Philippines? no. read this report by American Multinational conglomerate Goldman, Sachs and Company.

No I meant China compared to the US . because we are comparing China and the US right ? Not China and the Philippines .

[cyberdud3]

US ko makig-ally.