Forget Jesus, Judas went to hell for you.

[kebotDiNaMute]

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This is based on Romans di ba? In my own understanding kana nga verse is about the original sin and not sa pagbayad ni Jesus sa sala sa mga tao.

Nope, IMO applies to every sin.

In old testament it said, keep the sabbath day to keep it holy... they work they die. It so happen there are only 10 commandments... now its plenty. In old testament it is through sacrifice and burnt offerings the way they commune with God... For people to live, Christ is the only acceptable sacrifice...

Remember: Bread and Wine Symbolizes the new covenant. He told it to his disciple that he will be the acceptable sacrifice to the father...

[Tirong-say]

Nope, IMO applies to every sin.

In old testament it said, keep the sabbath day to keep it holy... they work they die. It so happen there are only 10 commandments... now its plenty. In old testament it is through sacrifice and burnt offerings the way they commune with God... For people to live, Christ is the only acceptable sacrifice...

Remember: Bread and Wine Symbolizes the new covenant. He told it to his disciple that he will be the acceptable sacrifice to the father...

Mao gyud,
Amen to this Bro....................

[regnauld]

Then why there is righteous and evil amongst us..........
Perhaps we could consider the bad one's as persons who did not give substance towards the infinite love of GOD, then if so, I do think that the infinite love of GOD could only be applied to persons who believe in him.....
But still GOD's love is infinite he could forgive us if we would repent.....

There is no evil amongst us. We are all human beings with different degrees or levels of consciousness. Jesus and Buddha are examples who achieved the highest level of consciousness and the consciousness of hitler was far behind to those masters and saints and yet they are all humans like us!

If we could forgive and repent?...then God's love is not infinite but therefore conditional...come to think of it....GOD DOES NOT PUNISH NOR REWARD. WE PUNISH AND REWARD OURSELVES THROUGH THE CONSEQUENCES OF OUR ACTIONS.

[Existanz]

Judas did no offering, he was a betrayer...Jesus said so in the Bible, he even told Judas about this. But still Judas betrayed Jesus because Judas did not 'really' believe in Him...that Jesus was the Son of God.

Peter denied Jesus three times out of fear for his life while Judas betrayed Jesus not for fear but for something else- 30 pieces of silver (personal agenda?). Only upon the deed is done when Judas realized the prophesy had been fulfilled did he really believe who Jesus was and filled immediately with self-loathing when the gravity of his action dawned on him...that's why he hanged himself. Otherwise why hang yourself when you know you did the right thing?

Jesus was forgiving for Judas because never did he condemn him while he mention about it but the sad fact is, Judas cannot forgive himself for betraying the Son of God in relative to his reasons for doing that at that time when he chooses to betray his Master.

[Tirong-say]

There is no evil amongst us. We are all human beings with different degrees or levels of consciousness. Jesus and Buddha are examples who achieved the highest level of consciousness and the consciousness of hitler was far behind to those masters and saints and yet they are all humans like us!

If we could forgive and repent?...then God's love is not infinite but therefore conditional...come to think of it....GOD DOSE NOT PUNISH NOR REWARD. WE PUNISH AND REWARD OURSELVES THROUGH THE CONSEQUENCES OF OUR ACTIONS.

Meaning to say that there is no balance between right or wrong, only the level of understanding, so we can say there is no justice and no law after all, we can interpret our deeds only through understanding our very own thinking......I opt to contest....

I guess it is infinite to those who follow and believe in him, but how can it be applied to someone who does not belive GOD and even did not know GOD, Love is void if there is no recepient....I suppose.

[karwren]

the point is Jesus' death story in the bible make no sense. God can forgive us with or without the cross.

He can, yes. But God is holy and we are not because of sin. There is to be a sacrificial lamb that is perfect and without blemish in payment for sins. Jesus, the lamb of God (without blemish, without sin) is the only sacrifice enough to satisfy the requirement (and forgiveness of all our sins) of the Holy God. Jesus' (His son's) death is the payment for our sins. And so, through God's son Jesus, we are saved when we accept Jesus.

God's holiness can be understood when you understand what the big picture is in the Holy Bible. Get to know God, through God's word, the Bible.

Makes perfect sense to me.

[regnauld]

Meaning to say that there is no balance between right or wrong, only the level of understanding, so we can say there is no justice and no law after all, we can interpret our deeds only through understanding our very own thinking......I opt to contest....

I guess it is infinite to those who follow and believe in him, but how can it be applied to someone who does not belive GOD and even did not know GOD, Love is void if there is no recepient....I suppose.

There is duality and LAW OF BALANCE (YIN/YANG) in this world but there is no such thing as an evil person only human beings created in the IMAGE AND LIKENESS OF GOD!

You guess it is infinite to those who follow and believe in him? Are you sure about this? How can it be infinite when you think that one should follow him according to your own bias beliefs and conditions? That Doesn't make sense to a critical thinker like me!

[treize]

what if you're all stupid enough to understand such simple things?

[Tirong-say]

There is duality and LAW OF BALANCE (YIN/YANG) in this world but there is no such thing as an evil person only human beings created in the IMAGE AND LIKENESS OF GOD!

You guess it is infinite to those who follow and believe in him? Are you sure about this? How can it be infinite when you think that one should follow him according to your own bias beliefs and conditions? That Doesn't make sense to a critical thinker like me!

I should be bias for I know man is not perfect as what you might think he is, yes man is created in the image and likeness of GOD, but does he resorted to this identity, I do not think so. For GOD is most perfect entity, he will not make horifying crimes (rapes, murder, genocide...etc). What makes a man evil is his inhumane deeds, does GOD accept someone who does not believe GOD,follow GOD nor not loving other man created by his own image and likeness....I wish to ask your critical thinking about this...
If I love Jane, does Susanne would love me because I love Jane..........what do you think....then I would ask your critical thinking again....

[regnauld]

I should be bias for I know man is not perfect as what you might think he is, yes man is created in the image and likeness of GOD, but does he resorted to this identity, I do not think so. For GOD is most perfect entity, he will not make horifying crimes (rapes, murder, genocide...etc). What makes a man evil is his inhumane deeds, does GOD accept someone who does not believe GOD,follow GOD nor not loving other man created by his own image and likeness....I wish to ask your critical thinking about this...
If I love Jane, does Susanne would love me because I love Jane..........what do you think....then I would ask your critical thinking again....

Do you know what man is? How do you define man and what composes man?

Man by nature and essence is GOOD and not EVIL and if he becomes evil it is not by his nature that he does evil things but basically we can attribute that to situational or environmental factors but not to nature to commit crime. I think you have to study Social Psychology and not just the bible for Christ's sake.

You have committed a great fallacy here. Let us analyze: Just because man believes in GOD, does not mean he cannot commit crimes anymore or just because man does not believe in GOD or an atheist does not mean he is a murderer or a killer. That is CRITICAL THINKING my friend! Don't reason out the belief or no belief in GOD will justify man of his actions because that is pure ILLOGICAL!

By the way, your example does not apply to GOD because GOD does not possess a personality for I don't believe in an Anthropomorphic GOD.