What's wrong with HB 3773? A LOT!!! (New Online Petitions added!)

[gareb]

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You're not making sense. We know that the bill is trying to sneak in abortifacients. And so do you, and yet you want it to pass? That's irrational. Why should we take such a risk when the stakes (the lives of the unborn) are so high?

i thought i made it clear enough. but i guess i need to rephrase it again.

if the anti-abortion laws (in accordance to the Constitution) defines life to begin during conception, then these abotrifacients are technically illegal to begin with. all you need to do is ammend the anti-abortion law and make an explicit section citing such.

now with HB 3773, it defines abortion according to the anti-abortion law already in place. it does not allow abortifacients if the anti-abortion law technically prohibits them.

It's not an at an all-time low either. Overpopulation is a myth to begin with.

the former is something that we do not want to happen. the latter is your assertion you yourself supplied with articles and numbers that hopelessly did not stood up to scrutiny. what is more, it supported my assertion that indeed there is a state of overpopulation.

i have given out a definition of overpopulation. your repetition only provides a reason why i need to repeat myself over and over again. perhaps you did not read it.

Therefore, population density MUST be the CAUSE of "environmental deterioration, an impaired quality of life, or a population crash"

is that an admission that there indeed is an environmental deterioration going on caused by population density which in turn is a specifier of overpopulation?

still, overpopulation is not just about population density. it is also how a population's need for resources is sustained, and how the environment around a certain population is maintained. granted that technological innovations can stretch production capacity to accomodate for a bigger population, these innovations still leave damages in the environment. aside from that, there are finite resources that the environment can provide for only a limited period of time.

it is now a matter of finding a point where we can extract these resources for our own use and still preserve the environment, so that it can renew resources that it can.

a big population as what we have inherently needs a large amount of resources. the price of this is ecological destruction, through land clearing, deforestation, disruption of ecological cycles, over-fishing, over-hunting, waste disposal. presently we are experiencing those enumerated. not just because of "inefficient governance" or "greed and corruption" but because it is needed and demanded for a population this size to suvive. that is ecological destruction and unsustainability.

and you still reason that we do not have those aforementioned situations that are products of overpopulation? and you still insist that there is no overpopulation? or all of the above are mere myths?

Population has grown compared to decades ago, but that is not the point... Yet you are desperately reinterpreting the figures to support your baseless claim.

that is exactly the point. a large population needs a huge amount of resources to sustain itself. your constant ignorance of this basic fact leads you to a conclusion that it is alright to huge population, and that we do not have a population problem.

it is curious how you can be very selective in the data that you use in your arguments. you bannered a decrease in population growth rate, wherein "population growth rate" you equated with "overpopulation", hoping to use it as an evidence that there is indeed no overpopulation. now you conveniently chose to ignore what it says now (because it turned out to favor my assertion that the population is growing).

not quite very desperate as it seems. you yourself admitted that i was right in saying that your data supported by argument, as you admit that population indeed is growing.

Your claim that we are exhausting necessary resources has no basis... Your fears of shortage have no scientific basis.

wrong. you really did not read my full post.

Population is growing faster than food supplies in 64 of 105 developing countries. Overcultivation, primarily due to population pressures, has degraded some 2 billion hectares of arable land --- an area the size of Canada and the United States combined.

Globally, the demand for fresh water exceeds the supply by 17 percent already. Two-thirds of the world's population will experience some form of a severe water shortage in the next 25 years.

A sitatuion that does NOT exist on a national level at all.

you mean enviromental degredation DOES NOT exist in the philippines? you mean to say urbanization and the need for more living spaces DO NOT exist in the philippines? you mean to say that we need and demand THE SAME amount of resources now compared to 50 years ago?

Poverty is caused by OTHER factors, not populaiton.

overpopulation is NOT the cause of poverty; not just poor governance (which is a symptom by itself), but social stratification that causes it. overpopulation perpetuates poverty. it makes existing poverty worse.

i hate repeating myself.

Your logic is fatally flawed and based on a mere assumption which has been debunked.

instead of insinuating and name calling, why dont you provide a substantial and irrefutable proof that this earth can provide a limitless amount of resources indefinitely? or better yet that a population of 30 billion needs THE SAME amount of resources as a population of 60.5 billion?

[tolstoi]

Instead of insinuating and name calling and why dont you provide a substantial and irrefutable proof that this earth can provide a limitless amount of resources indefinitely? Or better yet that a population of 30 billion needs THE SAME amount of resources as a population of 60.5 billion?

a 100 billion people can still INDEFINITELY harness the resources on this planet provided that all that have been taken for consumption must be properly REGENERATED for future use. For a start, food supplies can never be depleted since most of it are renewable, just like fishes, domestic products, rice/corn products..etc

It is not a question of wether overpopulation depletes the earth resources, but it is the mis-management of the individual that runs our government who doesn't care enough to cater the basic needs of its people..instead of pouring their efforts in reforesting the barren lands, in rehabilitating the fish habitats..etc so that there will be ample foods for future consumption, this politicians that constitutes the governnment even turned-out to be the illegal-loggers and crooks..

the decisive point here is that..mis-management in our governtment due to corruption is really the stimulants of poverty..its not the other way around or is not seem to be as what gareb said as only the symptoms whatsoever....

and i really luv to quote this again...

We always complain that another baby is another mouth to feed, and that milk is very expensive. We are forgetting that with every gift of a baby and comes a bonus: Free milk from the mother's breasts which is the best food for the babies and with every mouth comes two hands to help in the housework later ON and help earn a living for the family.

[darkwing]

my question is how does a jeepney driver feed his 6 or more children??

[tolstoi]

the jeepney driver has to WORK HARD.period.

[expertbytesjp]

Instead of insinuating and name calling and why dont you provide a substantial and irrefutable proof that this earth can provide a limitless amount of resources indefinitely? Or better yet that a population of 30 billion needs THE SAME amount of resources as a population of 60.5 billion?

a 100 billion people can still INDEFINITELY harness the resources on this planet provided that all that have been taken for consumption must be properly REGENERATED for future use. For a start, food supplies can never be depleted since most of it are renewable, just like fishes, domestic products, rice/corn products..etc

It is not a question of wether overpopulation depletes the earth resources, but it is the mis-management of the individual that runs our government who doesn't care enough to cater the basic needs of its people..instead of pouring their efforts in reforesting the barren lands, in rehabilitating the fish habitats..etc so that there will be ample foods for future consumption, this politicians that constitutes the governnment even turned-out to be the illegal-loggers and crooks..

the decisive point here is that..mis-management in our governtment due to corruption is really the stimulants of poverty..its not the other way around or is not seem to be as what gareb said as only the symptoms whatsoever....

and i really luv to quote this again...

We always complain that another baby is another mouth to feed, and that milk is very expensive. We are forgetting that with every gift of a baby and comes a bonus: Free milk from the mother's breasts which is the best food for the babies and with every mouth comes two hands to help in the housework later ON and help earn a living for the family.

yeah yeah yeah you're right

[expertbytesjp]

Psychological Effects of Abortificients

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Everyday, more groups collect and publish data about the widespread use of contraceptives. But information about their effects that some contraceptives actually cause abortions, i.e., they are abortifacients--is still largely unreported today. The fact that women suffer from contraceptive-induced post-abortion syndrome also is not often reported. Most of the groups gathering data about contraceptives, in fact, do not recognize (or reveal) the moral, psychological and medical consequences of abortifacients.

The World Population Profile by the U.S. Bureau of the Census reported the prevalence of contraceptive use among married women in the world's ten largest countries. For instance, in China (1992), over 75 percent of married women used contraception; in India (1992-93), nearly 40 percent; United States (1990), 70 percent; Brazil (1996), almost 80 percent; Russia (1994), almost 70 percent; and, Japan (1992), 65 percent.

In addition, the 1998 statistical report from the UN Development Plan noted that in North America alone, 71 percent of married and/or cohabiting people use contraceptives. Worldwide figures show that 58 percent of married and/or cohabiting people use contraceptives.

But the main reason contraceptive information is gathered is to examine current population size or to project future population size, and in this context, contraceptive use is considered beneficial to society, the acceptable norm and the means to provide more sexual freedom to women. Silenced amidst these false realities is an important, yet ignored, issue: How the widespread use of contraceptives is harming women.

Contraceptives such as the IUD, RU-486, Norplant, Depo Provera and the Pill are also abortifacients. This means that when ovulation breakthrough occurs, subsequently conception can occur; and the contraceptives will create a hostile environment in the mother and not allow the child to implant in the womb. In the United States alone, about 10.4 million women currently use birth control pills and it is by far the most common form of birth control. In Japan, between May 1989 and May 1999, there were reports of 2,408 cases of damage to health due to the Pill, including 104 deaths. This information concerns only the medical side effects of the Pill. There is more to be said about the scientifically documented medical and psychological effects for all the other abortifacient contraceptives.


The Psychological Effects of Abortifacients
Despite the documented ill side effects of contraceptive use, the lie constantly communicated through the media is that women have nothing to lose by contracepting, but everything to gain (mainly sexual freedom). This kind of reckless advice has cost the lives of children and the health of mothers.

Despite the fact that contraceptive lies continue to spread, the truth is being recognized by some. Mothers who have used abortifacient contraceptives are now making the horrendous realization that they may have aborted their children. These women are seeking psychological help for a problem that most people will not recognize, validate or provide support. For example, when the average person (including pro-lifers) considers an abortion and its effects, they imagine a girl entering a clinic, a doctor aborting the child, then a few years later the girl suffering from post-abortion syndrome. They do not think in terms of a mother suffering from an abortion because she was taking an abortifacient pill. Many caring mothers who had been fed the contraceptive-lie and possibly used contraceptives with the best of intentions, now know the truth and are experiencing post-abortion syndrome.

A woman mourns when she realizes that she aborted her child. She knows she violated her basic instincts to protect her children. When women recognize this violation, it is devastating to them. For instance, Sarah (not her real name) called Human Life International the other day. She is mourning her past "choice" to use an abortifacient IUD and the repercussions that followed that choice--that she could be the mother of several unheld and unseen children in heaven. She mourns the possibility that she never gave her babies life and the chance to be loved. Sarah sought help from various post-abortion syndrome support groups, charities and even from some priests. But, she did not get help. Some of these people even told her,"Don't worry; everyone uses contraceptives." Not one person confirmed her pain of knowing that she could have aborted her children.They did not recognize that an abortion is an abortion whether a life is destroyed at the moment of conception or some time later in the progression of development in the womb. After Sarah told us her problem, the first thing we did was validate her feelings. It is natural that she mourns for an abortion (s) that could have happened. The proper response from fellow Christians is to help her embrace God's forgiveness and healing love. All is not lost--not even the baby with an immortal soul.


The reason for the silence
What keeps the world silenced about the widespread effects of contraception? Largely, it is money. Doctors, pharmacists, drug stores, grocery stores, gas stations, family planning clinics and abortionists all make money from people using contraception. Enormous sums of money continue to be invested in the production of pharmaceutical products to facilitate the spread of abortion, another multi-billion dollar industry. Scientific research is also preoccupied with developing products that are more simple and effective in suppressing life and which at the same time are capable of removing abortion from any kind of control or social responsibility.

If all the women who have suffered from contraceptive use and post-abortion syndrome shared their stories, imagine how many lives could change. Doctors would fear lawsuits and stop prescribing contraceptives; priests would preach the devastation of contraceptive use; antiabortion groups would also become anti-contraceptive groups; pro-contraceptive pharmaceutical companies wouldstop producing contraceptives and some population groups would provide real medicine instead of contraceptive drugs. It seems that many more children will be destroyed, more mothers and fathers devastated and more money spent on doctor bills before the exploitation of women, in the name of preventing unwanted pregnancies and upholding women's choices, ends.

So, who will help the women who now suffer and the women who will suffer when their consciences are informed and they recognize the truth? The Church has always taught couples that their sexuality is to be in service to life and love. Our Christian support has to start with that teaching and be accompanied by ministry to those who have not embraced this Gospel of life. If the10.4 million women who use birth control pills in the United States embrace the full Gospel message, are we prepared to validate their pain and be a source of healing for their wounds? Pro-lifers should reeducate themselves on the dignity of the child from the moment of conception to natural death, and learn as much as they can about post-abortion syndrome. It is imperative to children and parents that we have this natural understanding of a mother's mourning at whatever stage she may have aborted her child.

http://www.prolife.org.ph/page/contraception2

[darkwing]

the jeepney driver has to WORK HARD.period.

what? like driving 24hours a day? hehe i think he should have learned about having many children can severely limit their chances of having a good future..

[expertbytesjp]

[size=18px]Contraception: "The root cause of the Anti-Life culture"[/size] this HB 3773 against the Devine Law




[size=18px]"Contraceptive ethic is predictably a suicide pact. Any group that refuses to reproduce itself will disappear."[/size]

[expertbytesjp]

http://www.prolife.org.ph/article/articleview/475

HB3773 Consolidated Reproductive Health Bill

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This is the mother anti-life bill of 2005.
Read it and weep.
Oppose it. Take to the streets. Leave no supporter unscathed.
USAID has just unloaded a whopping 1,200,000,000 pesos to impose population reduction measures on the Filipino people. This is war. A war where the mercenaries paid are also Filipinos.

May God be with us in this battle.

[expertbytesjp]

http://www.prolife.org.ph/article/articleview/477
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OPEN LETTER TO OUR DEAR CONGRESSMEN

To Our Dear Representatives,

First of all, permit us to remind you of your grave responsibilities before God 'and the Filipino people, incumbent on your office as part of the legislative body of the Philippine government. Before God, for all power is from Him. He is the universal creator and legislator. Those who exercise power exercise it in His name. You will one day have to render Him an account of your stewardship. Before the people, for they have placed their trust and confidence in you to help them live better and morally upright lives.

We are very aware of your effort to alleviate the present economic crisis in which Filipino people as a whole is suffering. But to sacrifice the moral values and the eternal welfare of car nation for the "presumed" future economic stability is an unacceptable imprudence which inevitably will put our nation in a far devastating predicament than we are suffering now. It would be a perversion of democracy. Wealth is not the principal cause of happiness. A nation who abandons basic moral laws and values runs downhill to national perdition. Precisely, the Supreme Law Giver has given us codes not only that we may effectively pursue our eternal happiness, but that even in this world we may have a taste of that happiness.

The humble work attached herewith which we would like you to study carefully, shows the sentiments of the conscientious and God-fearing Filipino people denouncing this malicious bill which is full of deception and fallacies. We, the Filipino citizen, in good conscience could never approve such bill. And if that bill would eventually become a law, it is most certain that you would have gravely violated the trust that the Filipino people have placed upon you. And in lieu of the benediction of God, you will heap God's maledictions, not only upon yourselves, but also, upon our poor nation. For God is not mocked!

The destiny of that bastard bill is in your hands... and so is the future of our nation.

We pray God that you may be enlightened and hinder the passing into law of this bill
and other bills of the same nature; and that you may be given fortitude to pursue effectively those that are really and truly necessary to the welfare, eternal and temporal, of the Filipino people.

Respectfully Yours,
Concerned Citizens