Did Jesus really ascend into heaven?

[necrotic freak]

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But what is faith without science? it is Blind Faith according to Francis Bacon and Albert Einstein. We have to investigate also not just believe what others tell us.

mao bitaw faith na kay dili na kinahanglan ug proof, ug mangita ka ug proof aw dili nana faith my friend. )

[GrEenOCIDE]

kung sa ako lugar nga kabahin bro.. dili nako igsapayan kung unsay ikasulti sa science mahitungod kang Jesus.. ang mga apostoles bitaw wala man gani nagamit ug science aron mapalig-on ilang pagtoo..

Hebrews 11:1 Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen.

+3 brad... nahan ko sa mga verses nga imong gipanghatag brad, punto jud kaau

[regnauld]

compelling evidence? those are merely circumstantial.


likewise, it does not also mean that it is true.


but the fact that some geniuses were laughed at does not imply that all who are laughed at are geniuses. they laughed at Columbus, they laughed at Fulton, they laughed at the Wright brothers (in this context, they also laughed at Galileo and Copernicus). but they also laughed at Bozo the Clown.

Circumstantial? Maybe.

let’s look at the facts behind Cameron’s claims.

The facts claimed:

1. In 1980 ten limestone bone boxes (ossuaries) dated to the first century, were discovered in an excavated tomb in the Jerusalem suburb of Talpiot.

2. Six inscriptions were discovered with names similar to or the same as some of Jesus Christ’s family and disciples:
• Jesua, son of Joseph,
• Mary
• Mariamene e Mara
• Mathew
• Jofa
• Judah, son of Jesua.

3. Cameron attempts to prove that Mariamene e Mara is Mary of Magdalene, and that she and Jesus had a son named "Judah son of Jesua".

4. DNA analysis identifies that tissues from the ossuaries of Jesua and Mariamene e Mara were not related, raising the possibility they may have been married and had a child.

So, what are the odds that this is Jesus’ tomb? According to Cameron and Jacobovici, the statistical improbability of these names belonging to another family than that of Jesus Christ is 600 to 1.


Maybe it was circumstantial but I really doubt. Maybe it could be The Jesus Tomb.

[regnauld]

mao bitaw faith na kay dili na kinahanglan ug proof, ug mangita ka ug proof aw dili nana faith my friend. )

Faith ra diay gamiton kung mangita ta sa kamatuoran? wala untay science karon! Useless ang science brod kung faith ra! Mao nay nahitabo sa simbahan sa una! Ilang gi persecute si Copernicus ug si Galileo kay wala man sila motoo sa simbahan nga niingon ang simbahan nga ang kalibutan maoy sentro sa universe ug dili ang adlaw. Pero na proven man brod nga NASAYOP ang Simbahang Katoliko! What a shame!!! Na-uwawan hinuon ang simbahan!

[Super Bisdak]

Circumstantial? Maybe.

let’s look at the facts behind Cameron’s claims.

The facts claimed:

1. In 1980 ten limestone bone boxes (ossuaries) dated to the first century, were discovered in an excavated tomb in the Jerusalem suburb of Talpiot.

2. Six inscriptions were discovered with names similar to or the same as some of Jesus Christ’s family and disciples:
• Jesua, son of Joseph,
• Mary
• Mariamene e Mara
• Mathew
• Jofa
• Judah, son of Jesua.

3. Cameron attempts to prove that Mariamene e Mara is Mary of Magdalene, and that she and Jesus had a son named "Judah son of Jesua".

4. DNA analysis identifies that tissues from the ossuaries of Jesua and Mariamene e Mara were not related, raising the possibility they may have been married and had a child.

So, what are the odds that this is Jesus’ tomb? According to Cameron and Jacobovici, the statistical improbability of these names belonging to another family than that of Jesus Christ is 600 to 1.


Maybe it was circumstantial but I really doubt. Maybe it could be The Jesus Tomb.

1 John 4:3 And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world.

kining ako pagpasidaan lang ni hilabi na sa huyang pa ug pagtoo.. usa ni sa pagpasi-ugda aron mapapag sa pagtoo ang mga kristohanon.


Deuteronomy 29:29 The secret things belong unto the LORD our God: but those things which are revealed belong unto us and to our children forever, that we may do all the words of this law.

kung dunay butang nga ipadayag ang Ginoo, mao ra nay atoa.. ang butang nga mga tinago, dili na nato utingkayon..

[carmicael]

Circumstantial? Maybe.
Circumstantial? Maybe.

let’s look at the facts behind Cameron’s claims.

The facts claimed:

1. In 1980 ten limestone bone boxes (ossuaries) dated to the first century, were discovered in an excavated tomb in the Jerusalem suburb of Talpiot.

2. Six inscriptions were discovered with names similar to or the same as some of Jesus Christ’s family and disciples:
• Jesua, son of Joseph,
• Mary
• Mariamene e Mara
• Mathew
• Jofa
• Judah, son of Jesua.

3. Cameron attempts to prove that Mariamene e Mara is Mary of Magdalene, and that she and Jesus had a son named "Judah son of Jesua".

4. DNA analysis identifies that tissues from the ossuaries of Jesua and Mariamene e Mara were not related, raising the possibility they may have been married and had a child.

So, what are the odds that this is Jesus’ tomb? According to Cameron and Jacobovici, the statistical improbability of these names belonging to another family than that of Jesus Christ is 600 to 1.


Maybe it was circumstantial but I really doubt. Maybe it could be The Jesus Tomb.

you just proved my point. these are merely "circumstantial evidence", and are not enough to bring a conclusion.

[1]yes, they were discovered. no contest.
[2]similar names, hm, but similar persons? it does not follow.
[3]"attempts", but it was not definitely concluded.
[4]correction: DNA tests proved that "jesus" and "mariamene" WERE NOT RELATED on the MATRILINEAGE line. meaning, they do not have the same mother. but, it easily tells as well that they could have been father/daughter, cousins, etc. (the research used mitochondrial DNA testing)
[5]under the assumption of having only 1000 tombs found in Jerusalem, instead of the whole populace during that period.

"maybe" may be next to true, but it is also next to false.

[GrEenOCIDE]

Faith ra diay gamiton kung mangita ta sa kamatuoran? wala untay science karon! Useless ang science brod kung faith ra! Mao nay nahitabo sa simbahan sa una! Ilang gi persecute si Copernicus ug si Galileo kay wala man sila motoo sa simbahan nga niingon ang simbahan nga ang kalibutan maoy sentro sa universe ug dili ang adlaw. Pero na proven man brod nga NASAYOP ang Simbahang Katoliko! What a shame!!! Na-uwawan hinuon ang simbahan!

brad ayaw panglait ug tinuhuan sa uban oi labi na imong panganlan jud its bawal in this forum...

follow the rules brad aron mgdugay ta dinhi

[carmicael]

Faith ra diay gamiton kung mangita ta sa kamatuoran? wala untay science karon! Useless ang science brod kung faith ra!

you don't use science to prove/disprove faith. it cannot be done. there were attempts, but all in futility. science cannot go beyond logic and reason. that's why there is faith. truth in faith can only be found in faith itself. in faith, there is no reason, there is no logic. there is just... faith.

Mao nay nahitabo sa simbahan sa una! Ilang gi persecute si Copernicus ug si Galileo kay wala man sila motoo sa simbahan nga niingon ang simbahan nga ang kalibutan maoy sentro sa universe ug dili ang adlaw.

the Roman Catholic Authorities has had their ups and downs. in fact, PJPII apologized for some unreasonable acts by the RC Authorities. the Roman Catholic Church is not GOD, therefore it is subject to human fallibility. and no, this is not a question on papal infallibility.

Pero na proven man brod nga NASAYOP ang Simbahang Katoliko! What a shame!!! Na-uwawan hinuon ang simbahan!

discriminating the credibility of one does not help lift up the credibility of the other.

[jigsaw_0219]

@reg: atheist ka brad? sa line of questioning nimo, mga claims nimo klaro man au nga atheist ka.... of course oi, jesus ascended into heaven... u may not believe it kay sa atong panahon rn, dghan na au ug mga speculations ang mga tao, dghan na imbento... sa kdgahn ug imbento hasta ang time tested truth nga nasa bible dudahan na... wake up to the truth dude!!! or basin feeling nimo cool ka tungod sa imung mga insensible claims!!!

[GrEenOCIDE]

reg, if mu-post ka ug thread paki-specify lang nya kung biblical, philosopy, etc ba ang panag-istoryahan aron tin-aw kaayo ang thread, the post will go out of nothing, pls be guided by the rules reg, suggestion lang reg. okies?