Is PHP the future of web development?

[vern]

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Widely supported by whom ? Majority of web developers ? Majority of the web communities?
PHP, JSP, and ASP are the most popular web development tools/technology as far as I know and
heard of. I also know for a fact that open source communities support either PHP or JSP. Copyright enthusiasts support ASP.

But to what extent can you say that a web development tool is widely supported ?

I chose JSP | Struts because maintenance is easy.

Widely supported means who uses it ... the community ... the webhosts ... the enterprise. You choose it because of what you call maintenance ... that doesn't make it the future. The framework has been around for a long time, if it hasn't become mainstream yet, it will never become mainstream. Technology that is used by a small number of developers relative to those developing with other frameworks whether it be PHP frameworks, RoR, Django, etc, supported by a small number of hosts, and developed by a small number of companies and enterprises != the future.

[waidootisman]

Widely supported means who uses it ... the community ... the webhosts ... the enterprise. You choose it because of what you call maintenance ... that doesn't make it the future. The framework has been around for a long time, if it hasn't become mainstream yet, it will never become mainstream. Technology that is used by a small number of developers relative to those developing with other frameworks whether it be PHP frameworks, RoR, Django, etc, supported by a small number of hosts, and developed by a small number of companies and enterprises != the future.

Well, I can't say that the Java community, particulary the JSP community is small. That includes the J2EE developers. Though you can't see much JSP in *webhosts* due to the amount of resources it uses. But for businesses with their own
boxes,servers use JSP. Why? Even though JSP is heavy duty, it is secure, easy to maintain, clean, SCALABLE. Big companies have more tendency to use JSP than PHP. Since big companies < small companies, it's maybe one of the reason why PHP is popular (which I can't say is the future).

I know a mainstream framework and it is the MVC framework. Struts happen to be one of them.

[eax]

Well, I can't say that the Java community, particulary the JSP community is small. That includes the J2EE developers. Though you can't see much JSP in *webhosts* due to the amount of resources it uses. But for businesses with their own
boxes,servers use JSP. Why? Even though JSP is heavy duty, it is secure, easy to maintain, clean, SCALABLE. Big companies have more tendency to use JSP than PHP. Since big companies < small companies, it's maybe one of the reason why PHP is popular (which I can't say is the future).

I know a mainstream framework and it is the MVC framework. Struts happen to be one of them.

Actually, ang Java/J2EE is Enterprise ready na siya especially kanang EJBs.

[M@rv|n]

im not sure kng unsa jud ang future kay grabeh kaau ang competensya aning 3 with their respective framework to be the future . php + cake/symfony + smarty , ruby on rails and python django pero sa pagka karon php has the edge.

pero bsan unsa pana ang imo backend, ajax gihapon ang frontend lolz ... try to check out yahoo ui

[vern]

@waidootisman ... everything you have said about your platform ... heavy duty, secure, easy to maintain, clean and scalable can be said of pretty much every other platform out there. Instead of arguing on the basis of which you prefer, lets argue on the basis of how many of the biggest websites use something other than what you tout as the real heavy duty enterprise web platform.

a. Friendster ... transitioned over from JSP to PHP. I remember when Friendster was a pain to visit. This might not be a problem with JSP's scalability, but it does give props to PHP's.

b. Yahoo ... Yahoo uses PHP in many of their website. See http://public.yahoo.com/bfrance/radw...phpcon2002.htm (making the case for PHP at Yahoo!)

c. Wordpress.com ... all PHP.

d. Youtube ... Python.

e. flickr ... predemoninantly PHP with Perl.

f. Wikimedia (as used on Wikipedia) ... PHP

g. Google ... opted to write their code in C++ with Python being the number 2 language used. Yes they do use some Java too. Google is language agnostic.

h. Myspace ... oh my ... .NET on a Windows platform and not Java.

i. Facebook ... they can use any language they want because of their RPC core technology, but the languages they do use in order are PHP, C++, Perl, Python ... lastly ... Java.

... and many more.

These are the largest websites on the internet ... and clearly they do not run any type of Java implementation. Obviously Java can't lay claim to the scalability throne. So back on topic, you tout Java as the scalability king, but real world implementations show that scalability can be achieved with good planning and engineering ... where does that leave Java as the future of web development? Nowhere. Even developers who use a lot of Java still use PHP in very many aspects of development. How many PHP developers have said ... I can't do this in PHP, I think I'll use Java or This is easier on Java ... not many. Like I said ...

Technology that is used by a small number of developers relative to those developing with other frameworks whether it be PHP frameworks, RoR, Django, etc, supported by a small number of hosts, and developed by a small number of companies and enterprises != the future.

Java works ... but Java isn't king nor is it the future of web development.

[waidootisman]

@vern.

Okay, let me list mine..

a. Mastercard. e.g. http://www.mastercard.com/securecd/s...tCategories.do - omg struts

b. EA Sports e.g. www.easports.com/nbalive06/index.jsp

c. Paypal e.g www.paypalmerchantservices.com/demo/cart.jsp

d. Visa e.g. corporate.visa.com/pd/consumer_services/consumer_ex_rates.jsp
http://www.visaeurope.com/personal/o...pping/main.jsp

e. Philippine Stock Exchange

f. BestBuy e.g http://www.bestbuy.com/site/olspage....=1093468959522 - ye, beat best buy.

g. World of Warcraft e.g http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/conte...in/contest.jsp

h. Samsung Mobile e.g www.samsungmobile.com/promotion/i600/index.jsp

i. Ebay e.g http://forums.ebay.com/db2/forum.jspa?forumID=97
countdown.ebay.com/start.jsp

... and many more too.

Aren't they HUGE?

What do most of them all have in common ?? Yes, that is right, they involve $$$. And no, PHP cannot handle what JSP can in terms of security alone.

Friendster, Myspace, Facebook, all social networking hype. Largest because it's free. But on revenue, would not beat even Best Buy (Best Buy — Revenue: US$30.8 Billion (2006)). I know it wouldn't be fair to compare their revenues but let's face it, security counts. If JSP is some lousy tool, Best Buy and other firms would not be earning billiions.

Yes, Google uses some Java. In fact, they use some Struts in Blogger.

Java works...in $$$ ways.

[silent-kill]

lots of java programs are being migrated to .Net.. haven't heard of anything about a .Net app to java migration.
the maintenance part though has nothing to do with the high lvl PL being used.

currently working full time as an asp.net(C# with SWAF soon to be open-source a "massively parallel framework" that my boss owns.) programmer and php(cakephp framework) on freelance.. still i find php more fun to code

please give some sites that are running on JSP.

[waidootisman]

a. Mastercard. e.g. http://www.mastercard.com/securecd/s...tCategories.do - omg struts

b. EA Sports e.g. www.easports.com/nbalive06/index.jsp

c. Paypal e.g www.paypalmerchantservices.com/demo/cart.jsp

d. Visa e.g. corporate.visa.com/pd/consumer_services/consumer_ex_rates.jsp
http://www.visaeurope.com/personal/o...pping/main.jsp

e. Philippine Stock Exchange

f. BestBuy e.g http://www.bestbuy.com/site/olspage....=1093468959522 - ye, beat best buy.

g. World of Warcraft e.g http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/conte...in/contest.jsp

h. Samsung Mobile e.g www.samsungmobile.com/promotion/i600/index.jsp

i. Ebay e.g http://forums.ebay.com/db2/forum.jspa?forumID=97
countdown.ebay.com/start.jsp

Look at the pages' extensions..

[silent-kill]

sorry bro i was typing my msg when vern's post was the latest.

anyway onsa man diay iyang security feature sa java or struts nga wala sa php? or di pwede buhaton sa php??.

[eax]

@vern.

Okay, let me list mine..

a. Mastercard. e.g. http://www.mastercard.com/securecd/s...tCategories.do - omg struts

b. EA Sports e.g. www.easports.com/nbalive06/index.jsp

c. Paypal e.g www.paypalmerchantservices.com/demo/cart.jsp

d. Visa e.g. corporate.visa.com/pd/consumer_services/consumer_ex_rates.jsp
http://www.visaeurope.com/personal/o...pping/main.jsp

e. Philippine Stock Exchange

f. BestBuy e.g http://www.bestbuy.com/site/olspage....=1093468959522 - ye, beat best buy.

g. World of Warcraft e.g http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/conte...in/contest.jsp

h. Samsung Mobile e.g www.samsungmobile.com/promotion/i600/index.jsp

i. Ebay e.g http://forums.ebay.com/db2/forum.jspa?forumID=97
countdown.ebay.com/start.jsp

... and many more too.

Aren't they HUGE?

What do most of them all have in common ?? Yes, that is right, they involve $$$. And no, PHP cannot handle what JSP can in terms of security alone.

Friendster, Myspace, Facebook, all social networking hype. Largest because it's free. But on revenue, would not beat even Best Buy (Best Buy — Revenue: US$30.8 Billion (2006)). I know it wouldn't be fair to compare their revenues but let's face it, security counts. If JSP is some lousy tool, Best Buy and other firms would not be earning billiions.

Yes, Google uses some Java. In fact, they use some Struts in Blogger.

Java works...in $$$ ways.

Sakto gyud. Mao ang dako advantage sa Java kay supported man ang big companies (i.e. IBM, Oracle) in developing Java especially EJBs.

I think mga financial establishments/institutions uses EJBs in their application. Java is not also a web-based application it can also easily integrate a desktop application.

How about Google Web Toolkit (GWT) which a java application developed by Google.