Cebu Velez College student killed in clash between Army and rebels

[Generoso_65]

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nganu adto man sad jud e-pa asign sa mga lugar nga kuyaw

[dimasaliw]

can you give any evidences or links that you are accusing AFP. Let me remind you, once an AFP Soldier is killed in a battlefield, lubong lang diretso, pero if A NPA TERRORIST or REBEL is killed, daghan istorya, porke gi salvage, gi kidnap, torture. ALL of them are baseless, satsat lang walang ebidensiya. Tapos magkaso na sa CHR, tapos itong mga taga CHR one sided lang, kasuhan lang ang mga AFP.

Wala ako nakikita na magandang idudulot pag oras ka nag armas at naging rebelde o terrorista. Mawawala ang saysay ang iyong pinaglalaban oras namundok ka. Bakit Nasaan ang gobyerno natin, nasa BUNDOK ba ha? Bakit sila nagtatago kung tama ang pinaglalaban nila?

matalas ang talulot mong dila. subalit pinapakita lamang nito ang talulot ming ideya.
first of all the AFP are paid to kill, hunt, taunt civilians. i know because of the human rights violations of Palparan has done in southern luzon, central luzon, eastern visayas and northern luzon. yes tapat siya. tapat siyang maging butcher.

siyempre there won't be evidences. if you were the head of the government would you like to have paper trails linking you to your dirty work? the AFP employs tactics way beyond your wildest imagination. but siyempre if you are a military man you would already know that. if not better look at the other side of the coin bet you would get what your looking...

due respect to those uniformed men and women na nadadamay lang sa kabulukan ng mayorya ng mga opisyal sa kanilang pamunuan pero in general the system is sickening.

hihg regards to those who take up arms. it is their right to seek the truth. it is their right to go against the flow of the stream. it is their right to express their rigths or to get back their rights by fighting back.

to put this on point, baseless? study Palparans pattern and records please. if you are not cinvinced? its up to you. people ae afraid about things that they do not uinderstand man jud...

hmmmm... ang CHR? its a gov't agency thats saying "hey! abuso na yan at mali na ang palakad." thats how simple it is. if you complicate things mas-malabo. if i were you learn from the people. know the toiling masses. understand the whole situation. if igo ka sa gibuhat sa CHR then you should think twice if you are doing the right thing or not. right?

come on. no army official would even dare to admit that they pulled the trigger on a farmers head. evidence? hmmm losing someone close to you is evidence enough. Fr. Rudy Romano is evidence enough. Eden Marcellana of southern tagalog, Atty. Fidelito Dacut of Leyte, Sammy Bandilla of Leyte. faceless people taken away by the brutes that youe warmly and whole heartdly defend. the thing is why is it that you like to defend life takers?

[rob123]

matalas ang talulot mong dila. subalit pinapakita lamang nito ang talulot ming ideya.
first of all the AFP are paid to kill, hunt, taunt civilians. i know because of the human rights violations of Palparan has done in southern luzon, central luzon, eastern visayas and northern luzon. yes tapat siya. tapat siyang maging butcher.

siyempre there won't be evidences. if you were the head of the government would you like to have paper trails linking you to your dirty work? the AFP employs tactics way beyond your wildest imagination. but siyempre if you are a military man you would already know that. if not better look at the other side of the coin bet you would get what your looking...

due respect to those uniformed men and women na nadadamay lang sa kabulukan ng mayorya ng mga opisyal sa kanilang pamunuan pero in general the system is sickening.

hihg regards to those who take up arms. it is their right to seek the truth. it is their right to go against the flow of the stream. it is their right to express their rigths or to get back their rights by fighting back.

to put this on point, baseless? study Palparans pattern and records please. if you are not cinvinced? its up to you. people ae afraid about things that they do not uinderstand man jud...

hmmmm... ang CHR? its a gov't agency thats saying "hey! abuso na yan at mali na ang palakad." thats how simple it is. if you complicate things mas-malabo. if i were you learn from the people. know the toiling masses. understand the whole situation. if igo ka sa gibuhat sa CHR then you should think twice if you are doing the right thing or not. right?

come on. no army official would even dare to admit that they pulled the trigger on a farmers head. evidence? hmmm losing someone close to you is evidence enough. Fr. Rudy Romano is evidence enough. Eden Marcellana of southern tagalog, Atty. Fidelito Dacut of Leyte, Sammy Bandilla of Leyte. faceless people taken away by the brutes that youe warmly and whole heartdly defend. the thing is why is it that you like to defend life takers?

di man gud mo surrender ang AFP ug GOBIERNO mao na nga ang NPA ug mga militante tahay d sad mo hunong ug SYAGIT ug pag padayon sa ilang mga PROPAGANDA bisan gud ang uban gud nilang kauban tuho wa kasabot sa ila gyud tumong ug unsa gyud.ha!ha!ha!. peace!!!!!apil man gud ko sa una sa ako kabatan.on pa nga na lingla.

[Raikage]

What is the news really alll about? This is just reporting!

[giddyboy]

@dimasaliw:

no need for propagandas here. it's not allowed in this forum.

"high regards to those who take up arms. it is their right to seek the truth." ---if u want to give the high fives for those who made the armed struggle and make it praiseworthy, pls don't do it here. coz it leaves a bad taste in the mouth. and it doesn't make it any legal basis to seek the truth either.

ur demonizing the enemy, glittering generalities, and flag-waving won't work either. doesn't give us euphoria. and ur hopeful bandwagon effect too.

[ronaYo]

How would you determine if it's a "propaganda" or just a PLAIN personal and individual expression of ones ideas, impressions, opinions, and beliefs on such issues?
it is UNFAIR to call other people's opinion arguments as propaganda!
let's look at the merits of his/her arguments rather than judging it as propaganda! face it head-on!

what's wrong with this statement?
"hihg regards to those who take up arms. it is their right to seek the truth. it is their right to go against the flow of the stream. it is their right to express their rigths or to get back their rights by fighting back."

This is what Aguinaldo, Bonifacio et al did to the oppressive spanish rule!
This is what Enrile, Ramos, Honasan did to topple the dictatorship of Marcos!
This is what Angelo Reyes did against the Erap administration! (it is their right to go against the flow of the stream.)

Stick with the arguments!

[GemWArrioR]

matalas ang talulot mong dila. subalit pinapakita lamang nito ang talulot ming ideya.
first of all the AFP are paid to kill, hunt, taunt civilians. i know because of the human rights violations of Palparan has done in southern luzon, central luzon, eastern visayas and northern luzon. yes tapat siya. tapat siyang maging butcher.

siyempre there won't be evidences. if you were the head of the government would you like to have paper trails linking you to your dirty work? the AFP employs tactics way beyond your wildest imagination. but siyempre if you are a military man you would already know that. if not better look at the other side of the coin bet you would get what your looking...

due respect to those uniformed men and women na nadadamay lang sa kabulukan ng mayorya ng mga opisyal sa kanilang pamunuan pero in general the system is sickening.

hihg regards to those who take up arms. it is their right to seek the truth. it is their right to go against the flow of the stream. it is their right to express their rigths or to get back their rights by fighting back.

to put this on point, baseless? study Palparans pattern and records please. if you are not cinvinced? its up to you. people ae afraid about things that they do not uinderstand man jud...

hmmmm... ang CHR? its a gov't agency thats saying "hey! abuso na yan at mali na ang palakad." thats how simple it is. if you complicate things mas-malabo. if i were you learn from the people. know the toiling masses. understand the whole situation. if igo ka sa gibuhat sa CHR then you should think twice if you are doing the right thing or not. right?

come on. no army official would even dare to admit that they pulled the trigger on a farmers head. evidence? hmmm losing someone close to you is evidence enough. Fr. Rudy Romano is evidence enough. Eden Marcellana of southern tagalog, Atty. Fidelito Dacut of Leyte, Sammy Bandilla of Leyte. faceless people taken away by the brutes that youe warmly and whole heartdly defend. the thing is why is it that you like to defend life takers?

?? huh what are you talking about, are you Implying that all AFP are like Palparan you make me laugh hahahhahahaha. Try reading report about the goodwill of our AFP. Like rescuing, feeding programs, Road Projects...... Thus your CPP-NPA done any goodwill, NOOOOO! wala, nadda. They do extortion, if you will not pay, something will happen to you, burning busses, destroying commercial establishment, making empolyees jobless. Try to talk to CHR if they done something to this, that CPP-NPA has done. WALA.. KUNDI sakit lang sa ULO. Try talking to yourself, have you done any GOODWILL to your POOR neighbors?

[giddyboy]

How would you determine if it's a "propaganda" or just a PLAIN personal and individual expression of ones ideas, impressions, opinions, and beliefs on such issues?
it is UNFAIR to call other people's opinion arguments as propaganda!
let's look at the merits of his/her arguments rather than judging it as propaganda! face it head-on!

what's wrong with this statement?
"hihg regards to those who take up arms. it is their right to seek the truth. it is their right to go against the flow of the stream. it is their right to express their rigths or to get back their rights by fighting back."

This is what Aguinaldo, Bonifacio et al did to the oppressive spanish rule!
This is what Enrile, Ramos, Honasan did to topple the dictatorship of Marcos!
This is what Angelo Reyes did against the Erap administration! (it is their right to go against the flow of the stream.)

Stick with the arguments!

(1) "first of all the AFP are paid to kill, hunt, taunt civilians." ---an appeal to fear, an appeal to prejudice, a glittering generality, demonizing.

(2) "i know because of the human rights violations of Palparan has done in southern luzon, central luzon, eastern visayas and northern luzon" ---a red herring to statement #1

(3) "the AFP employs tactics way beyond your wildest imagination."---an oversimplification, intentional vagueness

(4) "high regards to those who take up arms. it is their right to seek the truth. it is their right to go against the flow of the stream. it is their right to express their rigths or to get back their rights by fighting back."--- flag-waving, using virtue words

***this statement is rebellious, a blatant approval and appeal to a violent revolution. our constitution doesn't give the right for a person to take up armed struggle in order to seek the truth, thus no legal basis in the first place. no need to explain further.

(5) "ang CHR? its a gov't agency thats saying "hey! abuso na yan at mali na ang palakad." thats how simple it is."---another oversimplification

(6) "no army official would even dare to admit that they pulled the trigger on a farmers head."---an appeal to prejudice

those are arguments that, while sometimes convincing, are not necessarily valid. they're appeals to emotion, contrasted to appeals to intellect...

[radiostar]

huh what are you talking about, are you Implying that all AFP are like Palparan

not all of the AFP body but in general, i've witnessed it myself here in mingla, the AFP particularly the 78th Infantry Battalion made some nasty propaganda against us activists. here's one proof.

Try reading report about the goodwill of our AFP

and you call this goodwill? making threats against those who does not OBEY what they are saying? maybe kill them to keep em silent ei? or maybe adbuct them? sheeessshhh these so called defenders of our country makes me sick!

Try talking to yourself, have you done any GOODWILL to your POOR neighbors?

read my previous post

[dimasaliw]

?? huh what are you talking about, are you Implying that all AFP are like Palparan you make me laugh hahahhahahaha. Try reading report about the goodwill of our AFP. Like rescuing, feeding programs, Road Projects...... Thus your CPP-NPA done any goodwill, NOOOOO! wala, nadda. They do extortion, if you will not pay, something will happen to you, burning busses, destroying commercial establishment, making empolyees jobless. Try to talk to CHR if they done something to this, that CPP-NPA has done. WALA.. KUNDI sakit lang sa ULO. Try talking to yourself, have you done any GOODWILL to your POOR neighbors?

well in ana man jud. if you bliv they are doing so. then go. and its soooooooo classisc that if a person would disagree on what you say is already left leaning or a red? just look at ur statements. mao nakaingon ko na i think u r a uniformed personel. diba?

come on stop kidding urself. even the UN has declared that taas ang violations against sa civilians. dili man generalized. as i said earlier that dili tanan. but tungod sa sytem na gisunod nadamay sila. i think i said due respect to them. because they are still enlightened.

extortion? why gipangayuan ka?

Try reading report about the goodwill of our AFP. Like rescuing, feeding programs, Road Projects......

well in the first place siyempre mao na ang ilang ipagawas. unya ang problema pa is that they even muscle the media to write or cover stories that would favor them. sige 1 point at hand is the "road project (a.ka. farm to market road) in Negros Oriental and connected to this is their poverty alleviation project - tuba-tuba farming?

if you look at it the roads are used for the transportation of the badly needed and late project of the government and AFP w/c is the biodiesel production. Tuba-tuba is very known plant that could really kill people. bisan unsaon man ni siya pagconvert makahilo ra gihapon. unya nganong mao man ni siya ang kinahanglan itanom na masnanginahanglan man ta og palay? diba sige ta angkat og bugas? unya makaon ba sa mga mag-uuma ang tuba-tuba?

its so twisted to say that they are doing these projects for the civilians like me. for the peasants that rachelle so loved. its so twisted if you really think about it. diba?

unya ingon pa lagi sa una pa. na dili mop apply sa mga uniformed people ang paggamit sa human rights claims. kasi in the first place they are elements of the state. second, they are paid to protect the interest of the government and kill civilians if ordered. remember what happened during the Mendiola Massacre wherein farmers were just marching in protest of cory aquino were killed. then head of the unit and now mayor of Manila Alfredo Lim even admitted of his worng doing and that he was just following orders. he ordered to open fire even if the farmers were unarmed and doing only their consitutional right.

so tell me where is the goodwill? is this just another sham? another propaganda just to say that limpyo sila. come on... people are fed up with this.