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    http://www.inq7.net/opi/2004/feb/06/letter_6-1.htm

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    Quote Originally Posted by mannyamador
    The Commoditization of Populations

    December 14, 2004
    by Noel Sheppard

    Twenty years from now, what might the world's most precious, depleting,
    natural resource be? Oil? Steel? Lumber? How about working-age adults who
    are still contributing to a nation's entitlement programs rather than
    receiving benefits from them?

    Want to know how short the future supply of such people is? Well, across
    the globe, nations like Japan, Australia, and Singapore are actually
    begging their child rearing-age population to procreate. For instance,
    according to the Tokyo correspondent for the BBC:
    Japan currently has one of the lowest birth rates in the world.
    [And] the government says that unless the trend is reversed quickly,
    the shortage of children risks doing damage to the economy. The
    decline in Japan's birth rate is so severe they have invented a word
    for it -- 'shoshika', meaning a society without children. Unless
    women here start having more babies, the population in Japan is
    expected to shrink more than 20% by the middle of this century.
    Nearly half would be elderly, placing impossible burdens on the health
    and pension systems.
    AAP reports a similar condition in Australia:
    Treasurer Peter Costello has already beseeched healthy young couples
    to procreate for their country, and now a report on the economic
    implications of the ageing population has given his words extra
    weight. Far from blaming the baby boomers for a projected doubling
    in the proportion of people aged 65 years or more by 2044, the draft
    Productivity Commission report has found that falling fertility is the
    major culprit.
    Having a bigger proportion of older people will increase the nation's
    healthcare costs and diminish participation in the workforce, the report
    found. The commission estimates that gross domestic product (GDP) growth
    per capita could fall to 1.25 per cent per year in the 2020s - about half
    its present rate - while health spending is likely to rise from six per
    cent to about 10.8 per cent of GDP by 2044.

    Finally, a recent Times of London article forecasts a similarly dire
    situation brewing in Europe:
    In 50 years there will be almost 100 million fewer people living in
    Europe, according to a United Nations report. The UN's latest study
    on international migration released yesterday predicts that even
    if Europe gains an average of 600,000 immigrants a year, its
    population will fall by 96 million by 2050. Without the new arrivals,
    the decline would be even more spectacular: 139 million. Already
    immigration into Europe is partly helping to offset the impact of
    declining birth rates. The continent's population would have shrunk by
    over four million in the final five years of the past century if it
    were not for the latest wave of immigrants.
    Certainly, America is not immune to this global population crisis, as we
    are projected to experience a doubling of our own senior demographic in
    the next 30 years from the current 40 million to likely 80 million as our
    Baby Boomers retire. Which begs the question: What has the world done
    wrong to get into this predicament, and what can we do to solve this
    looming international catastrophe?

    To begin with, in 1968, Paul Ehrlich, Charles Remington, and Richard
    Bowers created a non-profit organization called "Zero Population
    Growth." Its primary goal at the time was to draw attention to the
    global problems associated with overpopulation, and to get American
    couples to start thinking about having families with two children or less.
    Without question, this concept spread throughout the industrialized world.
    However, the problem is that at roughly the same time as this restrictive
    procreation policy was being advocated, entitlement programs were being
    expanded, and the mathematics involved in most required a continually
    increasing number of workers to be paying into the system to support the
    ever-growing number of retirees that would draw from it. As a result, the
    concepts of ZPG were running quite contrary to the expanding socialist
    structure of many governments.

    Further complicating matters were the changing mores of a species that
    once felt that procreation was a requirement. Paradoxically, this new
    ethos not only made it socially acceptable to not have children inasmuch
    as couples were helping the population "problem" by remaining childless,
    but also made such a condition practically a badge of honor. As a result,
    people from all walks of life in an increasing number of areas around the
    world just intentionally stopped having babies.

    Where does this leave us? Well, fortunately, America appears to be better
    positioned for addressing this imminent disaster than most of our trading
    partners. As discussed in the previously referenced London Times article:
    Recent years have seen North America overtake Europe as the
    preferred destination for people looking to start a new life outside
    their native country. Between 1960 and 2000, the foreign-born
    population in the US more than tripled from 10 million to 35 million,
    with a further 8 million in Canada. Whereas four decades ago, six out
    of every 100 people in North America was an international migrant,
    the figure has now climbed to 13 per cent.
    Given this, the solution moving forward is clearly going to be job
    creation. The nations that can employ people with the highest wages and
    the most desirable standards of living are going to attract skilled labor
    from all over the world, while enticing their own populations to not
    emigrate elsewhere. As a result, contrary to the current arguments about
    American outsourcing, it is quite conceivable that the exact opposite
    needs to occur in our nation over the next several decades, and is already
    being fostered by a lower dollar and higher energy costs.

    In fact, a recent Wall Street Journal editorial addressed this concept
    called "insourcing":
    Insourcing is what happens when foreign-headquartered multinationals
    operate subsidiaries in the U.S. These companies contribute both to
    U.S. economic growth and living standards.... Insourcing provided
    jobs for more than 5.4 million U.S. workers in 2002, or nearly 5% of
    total private-sector employment. These are good-paying jobs, too. The
    average annual compensation at such companies was a tad over $56,000,
    or some 31% more than the average annual private U.S. compensation.
    To be sure, the notion of insourcing is so foreign to most Americans that
    Microsoft Word doesn't identify it, and the definition at Dictionary.com
    is not applicable. Regardless, Japanese and German car companies like
    Honda, Toyota, Nissan, and BMW for many years have been insourcing
    employees and manufacturing facilities in America to combat fluctuating
    exchange rates while significantly reducing transportation costs. Even the
    just announced purchase of IBM's PC unit by China's Lenovo represents
    insourcing inasmuch as Lenovo will be retaining all of IBM's employees,
    and moving its headquarters to New York.

    The bottom line is that with the current value of the U.S. dollar, as well
    as the high cost of energy, we are likely going to see more foreign
    companies expanding in America to overcome such rising expenditures.
    Moreover, these same variables will likely make it less attractive for
    American companies to move operations overseas thereby reducing the trend
    of outsourcing that has been such a political hot potato. In reality, it
    is quite likely that this ancillary benefit of the dollar devaluation that
    we have seen in the past three years is by no means accidental, and is
    probably a pivotal component of AmericaĆ¢Ć¾@~Ys global economic strategy to
    create jobs here at home.

    In addition to continually expanding the number of high-paying jobs that
    are available in our nation, America is going to also have to quickly come
    to grips with its illegal alien problem, and realize that immigration is a
    strong component to our ability to grow our workforce. As a result, the
    U.S. must not make the same errors that Europe appears to be heading
    towards with regard to its Muslim population. As working-age, productive
    members of the society will continue to command a high premium around the
    world, American immigration policy should be taking advantage of the
    apparent biases that are surfacing elsewhere to once again make our nation
    the preferred vocational destination of people from all parts of the
    globe.

    Noel Sheppard

    Noel Sheppard is a business owner, economist, and writer residing in
    Northern California. He receives email at slep@danvillebc.com.


    http://www.mensnewsdaily.com/archive...pard121404.htm
    http://www.overpopulation.org/whyPopMatters.html

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    here's also taken from pro-life website.

    http://www.prolife.org.ph/page/population_control2

    so it is a never ending debate.

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    Quote Originally Posted by iloveyou4ever
    Though I must say that corruption is number 1 reason why Philippines is still one of the poorest in Asia, the over population issue is second to this. :mrgreen:
    I agree with the first statement but disagree with the second. Thanks for joining in!

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    TACKLING POVERTY: COMPLEX, OR IS THAT JUST AN EXCUSE?
    Mary Robinson
    http://www.ipsnews.net/columns.asp?idnews=30586

    OCTOBER 2005 (IPS) - Is tackling poverty so complex, or is this the statement of politicians and economists
    who don't want to make a link between extreme poverty in poor countries and actions taken in rich countries,
    asks Mary Robinson, former President of Ireland, former United Nations High Commissioner for Human Rights
    and President of Realising Rights: The Ethical Globalisation Initiative.

    If they did want to, they would see that being poor can be a stark and simple thing -- and the solutions obvious.

    Now is time for the rich world to accept not just the rewards but also the responsibilities of our global,
    interconnected age. We must help deal with globalization's downsides -- even when those affected appear to be
    strangers in strange lands. For those whose suffering we see on the news are not strangers -- our taxes
    undermine their livelihoods, our corporations' patents and profits are protected at the cost of their children's health.

    When the WTO meets in Hong Kong in December let us see genuine commitments from the US and the EU
    towards ending the unfair trade policies, the subsidies, and the tariff barriers that deny poor people the chance to
    gain the fair benefits of their work, to trade their way out of poverty. Less talk, more action -- that's a simple way
    to tackle poverty.

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    As I expected, more EXCUSES from you NOT to give proof!
    And more excuses from you about not adressing posts.

    1. You claim the Philippines is "overpopulated" but refuse to prove that it is.
    Which part of my posts don't you read, and/or which part your posts that I keep refuting don't you recognize?

    2. You even tried to change the definition of "overpopulation" until I buried you with an authoritative definition.
    Which I then gave a defense to. That you did not refute.

    3. Then you make irrelvant statements about the productivity of certain persons (which doesn't prove overpopulation but only relative differences in productivity).
    That aside from vague statements about "CAUSAL RELATIONSHIP!" and "You can't prove it!" you diddn't refute either.

    3. Then you make the flimsy excuse that population density is a "contributing factor", which I showed to be non-probative because there are other "contributing factors" have even greater effects or are absurd to consider as factors to be hindered (such as production; and why should population density be singled out?).
    Contributing factors contribute. Take away one contributing factor contributing and you take away a contribution. Take away one block out of a series of five and it will still be reduced to four. It doesn't matter which one you pick. Should you wish to pick them all then it will be reduced to zero.

    And now you ask me to refute proofs that have NOT been stated. You can't "tackle" or disprove a proof until it is stated. It's not only that you CAN'T prove it (because in theory, you can at least try to prove any point), you simply, HAVEN'T. Got that now?
    You can tackle my posts, which you appear to haven't done. Tackle total net profit vs. gross profit, tackle the median age in 40 years, tackle TFR in relation to a large population. You haven't done so.

    All your posts don't prove the existence of "overpopulation" as defined in MW. As I said, you have to show it CAUSES poverty, degraded way of life, etc. And you haven't been able to do so. In fact, you REFUSE to do so. Furthermore, if there are other major causes of poverty (and I have proven that they do exist, such as massive corruption, misplaced national priorities such as debt servicing, greed, etc.), then it's not "overpopulation". It's something else. Why is that so difficult for you to understand?
    And I don't dispute those other causes. When did I ever say overpopulation was the ONLY cause? And "other" major causes? So you mean you believe there can be more than one? Two? Three? Why can't overpopulation be one of them?

    Besides, what does "massive corruption, misplaced national priorities such as debt servicing, greed, etc." do that has a CAUSAL RELATIONSHIP to poverty? All they do is divert resources away from other causes. Like people diverting resources away from other people. No, wait...

    But what the heck, if you think this will advance your cause, then go ahead. DON'T provide any proof. Less time wasted for both of us.
    What cause? Me eating babies again?

    I don't have a cause, this is more like an excercise for me, like cracking my knuckles. Fighting your posts is like playing a great game of tennis without trying, watching balls come wafting over to my side of the court like drunken butterflies. Or perhaps it's more like some lazy mental exercise, akin to excercising while reading a magazine.

    You DO have a cause though. Please try to defend it properly.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mannyamador
    TACKLING POVERTY: COMPLEX, OR IS THAT JUST AN EXCUSE?
    Mary Robinson...
    See now, here's a post I wholeheartedly agree with. Should we achieve utopia then all is dandy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Deus
    >> You even tried to change the definition of "overpopulation" until I buried you with an authoritative definition.

    Which I then gave a defense to. That you did not refute.
    It's bad enough that you can't argue, do you have to show that you can't read as well? I refuted that quite easily. Your definition is just your own, with no authority to back it up. But worse, unlike M-W's yours is misleading since it can (and often does) lead people to identify the WRONG CAUSES to the problems of poverty, etc. The M-W definition makes no such error. It correctly defines overpopulation as having to be a CAUSE of poverty, etc. before one can say it exists. That is why M-W's definition is far better and is the one that gets published. Yours remains in the trashbin between someone's ears. Idiotic argument refuted.

    Please do try to read and understand my posts first. It makes you look less silly.

    Contributing factors contribute. Take away one contributing factor contributing and you take away a contribution.
    And you take away the benefits of those factors too! So, if we follow your mindless logic, the decline in infant mortality and increase in life expectancy, since they too are "contribuiting factors", should be hindered? What madness! That is the stupidity your logic leads to. Another idiotic argument refuted.

    Tackle total net profit vs. gross profit, tackle the median age in 40 years, tackle TFR in relation to a large population.
    Did that already. You didn't read it? Oh well, here it goes (AGAIN)...

    First I show that the so-called new model of production you want to proclaim, which is in itself not a bad one, is not necessarily relevant. It does NOT prove the existence of overpopulation as defined in M-W. All it shows is that some some sectors are more efficient producers. But how does that show that hihg population density CAUSES poverty? I pointed that out a few posts ago.

    And I also showed that your claim that a declining TFR should not be so alarming in a bloated population makes the mistake of assuming the population is bloated, which you so far have NOT proven. I also showed that the US Census Bureau disagrees with your claim that TFR is not relevant in a large population. History also shows you're worng. Declining TFR eventually led to population decline in several countries, the articles about which I posted in this thread (and which apparently can't understand). Another idiotic argument refuted.

    And I don't dispute those other causes. When did I ever say overpopulation was the ONLY cause? And "other" major causes? So you mean you believe there can be more than one? Two? Three? Why can't overpopulation be one of them?
    If you look at the M-W definition of "overpopulation", in theory high population density (not overpopulation; that's the conclusion you're trying to prove) CAN be, if you can prove it. But as I have shown, all you have been able to do is claim it is a "contributing factor", which makes it just like the decline in infant mortality and increased life expectancy. But that doesn't mean these "contributing factors" should also be hindered, should they?. These two, along with population growth, manufacturing, etc. are "contributing"? in some sense, but it would be idiotic to hinder them! So why should population density/population growth be singled out and placed in the "baddie" list? High population density and population growth can (and do) result in production and many other benefits to varying degrees. Another idiotic argument refuted. (yawn...)

    You should focus your attention on OTHER CAUSES OF POVERTY that do NOT result in production or other benefits: corruption, greed, fiscal mismanagement, wasteful population control programs. Iinstead of spending millions on population control designed to attack "contribuiting factors" that have not even been proven to cause poverty, the effort should be on eliminating these other UNPRODUCTIVE (and immoral) causes of poverty. Or do you disagree?

    Besides, what does "massive corruption, misplaced national priorities such as debt servicing, greed, etc." do that has a CAUSAL RELATIONSHIP to poverty? All they do is divert resources away from other causes.
    Wrong again. They not only divert resources, they also do no good. Or do you somehow think that these have benefits? Population density and growth, on the other hand, DO have benefits -- which you have already acknowledged and the UN Population Division has pointed out -- while greed, corruption, and misplaced national priorities do not. But you seem to be quite blind to these differences. Idiotic argument refuted. (just way too easy...)

    I don't have a cause, this is more like an excercise for me, like cracking my knuckles.
    Oh but you DO have a cause: to puff up your ego.
    No wonder your posts lack depth. The ideas I've been offering go right over your head. Oh well...

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    World population growth 'falling'
    http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/3560433.stm

    The growth rate of the world population has slowed down, according to the US Census Bureau.

    Its report says there were 74 million more people in 2002 - well below the 87 million added in 1989-90.

    The rate of growth peaked 40 years ago, when it stood at about 2.2% a year. The bureau partly
    attributes the drop to women having fewer children.

    It also projects a population decline in Africa because of the lower life expectancy due to HIV-Aids.

    In 1990 women around the world gave birth to 3.3 children on average, the report says.

    [img width=416 height=242]http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/39953000/gif/_39953943_world_pop_gra416.gif[/img]

    By 2002, the average had dropped to 2.6 children - slightly above the level needed to assure
    replacement of the population.

    The bureau's projections show the level of fertility for the world as a whole descending below
    replacement level by 2050.

    It forecasts there will be nearly 9.1bn people by 2050, just under a 50% increase from the
    6.2bn in 2002.

    Dying young

    The report suggests that the proportion of people over the age of 65 will continue to increase --
    from 7% to 17% by 2050.

    The projections also indicate that by 2010, some African countries will experience falls in life
    expectancy at birth to about 30 years -- a level not seen since the early 20th Century.

    Much of this trend is likely to result from Aids, the report says.

    It adds the trend could reverse if Aids education programmes are expanded in developing nations.

    It points to positive signs in Thailand, Senegal and Uganda, where the epidemic appears to have
    been stemmed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mannyamador
    gareb wrote:

    >the catholic bishops might have confused the meaning of "contraceptives" from those that
    > prevent the union of the sperm and the ovum, from those that kill the fertilized egg cell.
    There is no confusion. They know what the DOH is dispensing. The DOH and many other private health centers dispense IUDs, the Pill, and injectables. All of these are abortifacients and should be illegal. But they are not. No one is stopping the distribution of such abortifacients. HB3773 makes absolutely no mention of curtailuing abortifacients at all. In fact, the background papers and discussions involved in this bill and its predecessors (HB4110, etc.) show that the authors (the bills were partly crafted by the PLCPD and not just the congressmen) show favor for some form of "access to abortion."

    If HB3773 really was against abortion, it should explicitly BAN the IUD, the Pill, Depo-Provera, and other Progesteone-only-pills and other oral contraceptives. Buit it DOESN'T. In fact, it happily mandates the continued distri\bution of "modern contraceptive methods", which makes it pretty obvious the authors really don't care (or are stupidkly ignorant) about abortifacients.

    So the bill is still UNCONSTITUTIONAL Your argument is invalid.

    Now read section 12. There is lip service to those "in need", but the bottom line is that there is preference for those with 2 children or less. Given that resources for educational grants is limited, those with more children will be discriminated against. It is disingenious and dishonest to pretend to be ignorant of the reality on the ground.

    The bill also clearly forces prolife health workers to act against their conscience. If they can somehow get away from dispensing abortifacients, they must sitll refer patients to those who will dispense abortifacinets. That is COERCION. No amount ofd deodorizing will change that.

    > the counter-assumption that people who are against family planning is pointing out is that the "real
    > causes" of poverty are merely those enumerated above, when in fact those are in themselves symptoms
    > of a bigger, more entrenched problem
    Another error. There is no assumption that the problems I stated are the ONLY causes, but the fact remains that there is no positive evidence whatosever that "overpopulation" CAUSES poverty. Many demographers, economists, and historians have already poiinted this out. Most of them are quite in agreement that poverty is more likely caused by some form of poor governance or man-made disturbance. But nowhere is there proof that "overpopulation" really exists or that population density is the cause of national poverty


    > But all agree that human domination of the planet has already caused marked and
    > irreversible and irreparable changes. a little bit more strain might end it all. we cannot
    > afford that.
    Frantic doomsaying will not erase the fact that the "damage" you refer to is NOT caused by "overpopulation" but by the other factors I've mentioned. And if you really think a "little morte" will push the earth over the edge. you're really pushing the limits of reason. Tweaking the Malthusian concept is tweaking a dead horse. The assumptioins are fundamentally flawed.

    The real causes of poverty can be complex, but greed, mismanageement, and corruption are not simplistic issues either as you like to paint them. There a reinterlocking mechanisms and structures that breed poverty. But "overpopulation" isn't one of them.
    Hi, can I ask you if you eat balot? or "pinoy balot?

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