Everything about : RH Bill ( Reproductive Health Bill)

[johnny22aa]

Have you read the Bill? Apparently not. I have listed the sections where the Bill explicitly makes economic justifications. If you're too lazy to read those sections then you really have no idea what you're yapping about.

It looks like you're now backtracking on your previous posts. where you made a big deal about "overpopulation" and its effect on the economy. Now that you've been unable to prove your point and have been soundly beaten, you're trying to change the issue. That deceptive tactic might fool the likes of you, but it is easily exposed. Sorry, bud, but overpopulation is a myth and that myth is one of the main justifications for the Bill.

Just look at the comments on Istorya from the supporters of the Bill. They keep talking about overpopulation. For example, in MSG 256: "If this bill aims to slow down population growth, I will support this." It's obviously an economic issue for those who support the Bill too. Or can't you read?



Aaaw, what's the matter? Is the intellectual challenge too much for you? You can't stand someone exposing how weak your arguments are? Tsk tsk...

so u've just shown ur true colors bai. is that it? ur just here to brag what intellectual ek ek u got? but not on reality how this bill could affect filipinos? especially the impoverished majority? brader. im not here just for the sake of bragging my intelllectual talents . my god. i could do it somewhere. maybe at work. where i can be formally recognized and others would know what balls i got. but here?, c'mon! its good as if ur anynomous here. and as if u know the importance of intellect (if it really is) and your arguments to you. to your daily life. im sure u don't even understand how these things could be relevant to an everyday filipino life. and for you too. omg. u may have the strongest arguments but u sure dont know what are these for?

learn bisaya baby!

[Dorothea]

fyi dorothea. di na kasabot ug bisaya c mannyamador. dats y its useless to talk to him. sagdi na lng tawn na cya.

Unshalan ba diay, imported diay ni si mannyamador?

Ok, here it goes: In my limited English, I will try to communicate with you mannyamador. I have just been informed that you don't understand Bisaya? So try lower your intellect a bit and interpret my message (in limited english), ok?

I have been backreading some posts of yours (not all, as I am too lazy to read some of your long-winded points of view), and you wrote in one post that you are in favor of banning abortifacients? Am I right, or was I just reading that wrong? Anyhoo, I gathered that you are against these abortifacients because they "kill", and are used to devalue human life?

Well, just holler at me and I will be happy to provide you with the list (there's lots of 'em) of drugs that are in the FDA's Pregnancy Category X. Some of these drugs are abortifacients, and all of them are extremely teratogenic. There have been cases of miscarriages, abortions, still births, and babies born so deformed and physiologically defective that they only survive for a very short time after birth. Now these drugs caused all these "murders", and we can rightfully lay the blame on them.

So, if you want OCs to get banned, we might as well ban isotretinoin, methotrexate, the statins, misoprostol, warfarin etc etc...women aren't supposed to get pregnant while on those meds, but sometimes they do, and when these things happen, sometimes fetuses/babies end up dead.

So include those drugs on things that need to get banned, because just like contraceptives, they all have the potential for ending a human life, a tiny little human being.

After all, this is what it's all about, isn't it? We need to completely steer clear of anything that has even the slightest bit of possibility that it can abort a human life.

[cottonmouth]

Arrrrgghhhhh!!!! @ mannyamador morag baling sungoha gyud nimo sa latest comments ni Dorothea. Na hala tubag!

Panyo! taga-i ug panyo si mannyamador kay nasungo...hehehe.

[wng]

Already 23 pages and it's been "abortifacient" ad nauseam. As Dorothea pointed out there has been uninhibited use of "most contraceptives" and "most of the time". When mannyamador in fact cut and pasted information in one of the earlier pages that says the risk of an abortion (according to his definition of abortion) for the "abortifacient" pill is estimated at 1.1%. And this is estimated, without clinical support. And 1.1% is most of the time?

Barrier and sterilization methods certainly prevent the union of sperm and egg! So we have mostly hormonal methods that are under attack. Again, is that "most contraceptives" are abortifacient when they MAY have a 1.1% risk of "failure to implant due to hostile endometrium"?

If you really do not believe in overpopulation, you can watch the new CNN special. Bangladesh is featured as the drowning country. And we have Ethiopia and Rwanda which are struggling to support their population. And if that's too foreign, there's Tondo, which is the most densely populated city district. Have any of you been there? Or even dare to step foot there? And if Tondo is too foreign for you, we have here Caubian Island, just off Mactan, which is also overpopulated. You can check out YouTube for documentaries regarding the island if you haven't heard of it. But it's like 4,000 people in 2.5 hectares of land. You would think a skyscraper condominium is on that small piece of land to have that population density, but no! There are just small huts there!

There's "corruption" ad nauseam on this forum as well. But does the presence of corruption really justify that parents should have 7 children when they cannot even afford to raise 2? Why would we even discuss corruption here... There's economics to this bill all right. And it's simple for the layperson to understand. The law of supply and demand. There is NO demand in the world now for unskilled workers who did not even graduate from elementary school. The Philippines now even has a shortage of public school teachers to cope with the booming student population. No matter what economic theory you use, you won't be able to increase the GDP per capita by having more people who are not in demand in the workforce!

[mannyamador]

Already 23 pages and it's been "abortifacient" ad nauseam.

Well, maybe it's because you're still not thinking, ad nauseam.

And this is estimated, without clinical support. And 1.1% is most of the time?

It was NEVER claimed that this was "most" of the time. Try to understand what's being said.

But, even 1.1% is a HORRENDOUS TOLL IN HUMAN LIVES. Doesn't that bother you? Perhaps you think like Stalin, to whom a single death was tragic, and a million deaths a mere statistic.

Barrier and sterilization methods certainly prevent the union of sperm and egg! So we have mostly hormonal methods that are under attack. Again, is that "most contraceptives" are abortifacient when they MAY have a 1.1% risk of "failure to implant due to hostile endometrium"?

You really can't make an effort to understand what's being written, can you? Condom usage isn't as wide as you think. Some of the most widely used contraceptives are IUDs and hormonal types combined. There are over 160 million implanted IUDs (I corrected this; I previously put that this was the figure for China). There are tens of millions of hormonal contraceptive users. These ALL have a latent abortifacient function: even when ovulation is prevented, the function still exists as a backup. These cause MILLIONS of abortifacient deaths very year. The fact that this massacre doesn't bother you is disturbing.

If you really do not believe in overpopulation, you can watch the new CNN special. Bangladesh is featured as the drowning country. And we have Ethiopia and Rwanda which are struggling to support their population.

Uh, yeah. And you conveniently forget that Ethiopia was mismanaged by an incompetent, dysfunctional "democracy". The Economist, in its Democracy Index, ranked Ethiopia a poor 106 out of 167. It described Ethiopia as having a "hybrid regime" situated between a "flawed democracy" and an "authoritarian regime". Rwanda was torn by tribal genocide, and Bangladesh is shackled by bad economic policies. Oh, but you really must blame "overpopulation" now, and (as usual) ignore the real causes? Burying your head in the sand again.

And if that's too foreign, there's Tondo, which is the most densely populated city district. Have any of you been there? Or even dare to step foot there?

My family used to own a store in Tondo. I went there almost everyday for nearly a year until we closed. How often have YOU been there? I know that area better than you ever will.

As always,. you just ASSUME population causes poverty with ZERO PROOF. You conveniently IGNORE the effects of massive corruption, indiscriminate debt servicing, and economic mismanagement. Why not try making an intelligent argument instead of repeating the same false assumptions all over again?

Try getting your facts straight and please, for goodness sake, try thinking instead of just ranting.


@johnny22a

so u've just shown ur true colors bai. is that it? ur just here to brag what intellectual ek ek u got?

There's no real discussion to be had in your pissing contest. Rational arguments just don't come from you.


@Dorothea

I think you seem to be engaging in a strawman argument. You are misrepresenting my position.

We should ban devices and drugs that are INTENDED to be abortifacients because of their inseperable functionw, which is what the Pill, mini-pill, injectables, implantables, and the IUD are. This is because the abortifacient effect of these contraceptives is NOT merely incidental. It is an integral part of how they work and the effects cannot be avoided when they are used for birth control. That is a very different situation than with some of the others you mentioned.

Fortunately you've managed to steer clear of resorting to ad hominem attacks, unlike the others who have just posted. I hope you continue in that manner.

[Dorothea]

Arrrrgghhhhh!!!! @ mannyamador morag baling sungoha gyud nimo sa latest comments ni Dorothea. Na hala tubag!

Panyo! taga-i ug panyo si mannyamador kay nasungo...hehehe.

Cottonmouth, surrender na ko oi kay nahurot na akong english. Ako mao'y nag nosebleed. LOL

Kung si wng nag "ad nauseam", ako nag "ad diarrheam".

Unsa na ni oi.

[cottonmouth]

REPRO HEALTH BILL A WASTE OF RESOURCES -- THINK TANK
from AFP, with Pat C. Santos
10/03/2008


It, however, lacks the support of President Arroyo, a devout Roman Catholic who could theoretically veto it even if passed by the House and the Senate.

Lagman said a dozen previous population bills over the past generation had been defeated.

The dominant Catholic Church has threatened to excommunicate legislators who will vote for the bill.

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He stressed that the position of the Church on the issue is "absolute and is not open to any compromise."

House Bill 5043 is currently being debated at the House's plenary.

This is the problem of people so engrossed with their self-proclaimed authority that they think they are gods. A sinner judges a sinner. Sounds like a blind man guiding a blind man.

[mannyamador]

This is the problem of people so engrossed with their self-proclaimed authority that they think they are gods.

Just like those who think they have the "right" to murder an unborn child using abortifacients or even direct abortion. They justify this murder with all sorts of silly rationalizations (like "the child will be unhappy", "the mother will be unhappy", etc.). Makes you wonder how they can be so sure. Omniscience, perhaps?

[ronaYo]

Just pass this bill...
I guess we all approve sa mga facts nga daku njud populasyon sa pilipinas, di kaya suportahan sa gobyerno ang padayong pagdaku sa populasyon... Halos di naman gani matagaan ug atensyon ang saktong panglawas sa katawhan, kababayen-an ug kabataan...
I guess both the Church and the Gov't aknowledge this... pero di lang sila maghi-usa sa kung unsa nga Method gamiton... the church has its own advocacy sa kung unsang method gamiton and now the gov't is drafting it's own...
Lets see kinsay mupatigbabaw...
Ang gobyerno ba with "Reproductive Health and Population Development Act of 2008"
or ang simbahan who promotes natural birth control methods coupled with pangad-yi ug pagtu-o sa ginoo...

Pili lang mo... it's a matter of choice! hopefully positibo ang epekto!

[cottonmouth]

Just like those who think they have the "right" to murder an unborn child using abortifacients or even direct abortion. They justify this murder with all sorts of silly rationalizations (like "the child will be unhappy", "the mother will be unhappy", etc.). Makes you wonder how they can be so sure. Omniscience, perhaps?

There you go again dude with your "abortifacients" stuff for the nth time. At least we have proofs that contraceptives are not going to make us murderers. You and the whole bunch of senile priests, can you prove that expelling a person from the church just because he thinks against the churdh will can send him/her to hell?

Only GOD knows who's right or wrong...so now, let us just pull the trigger and find out.