Kinsa jud imo gituohan kung diin jud tah gikan, ang Bible or Science?

[ChichayChachiChay]

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There's a lot of things science cannot explain. Even Einstein believed that God really exist.

[anubiz]

ay...myembro diay sa federasyon! sus..mao diay ...kahibaw nako ngano bitter siya sa Bible..
tungod kay di siya ganahan ug adam and eve..adam and steve siguro iyang gusto..nyahahahaha!!!
we're just giving IT(it pa jud! Lol ) a doze of its(there we go again haha) own medicine.

OK! igo na ni..ayaw pangluod Loding ha...lab bya ka namu( well not the kind of love you were hoping for..nyahahahaha)..

back to topic ta oi! humana ang vice ganda este! propaganda diay! hahahaha..

mao diayng nag atheist na cya kay bayot diay..

[noy]

indeed what i meant by perfection is what you say it is., but just because i said that anything can go wrong it doesn't mean it's already a series of failure,. if anything can go wrong anything can also go right., our lives are a series of ups and downs, that's a fact we can both agree..

yeah i agree with you..and by series of failures i mean the normal perspective of most people. theists or atheists alike, it doesn't matter..you see, most people are never contented with whatever they have. even if they are already leading a good or even a better life, there's always this longing or wanting to have more.so regardless of how great one's achievements already are..if that person is still not satisfied then one way or another.. that person would still see him or herself as a failure...but i guess you're not most people. hehehe

you make it seem like thinking the way im thinking right now is a depressing thing, haha..

haha! dili sa ingun ana bai...just pointing out to one of the common characteristics of men which is the unceasing desire to increase in Life..
and just because one desires to increase, it doesn't necessarily have to be depressing, feelings of discontent rather but this doesn't necessarily mean negative..to others, it could be a challege, quest or whatever..
so if Life has no purpose(you know what i mean), then how is it that these feelings or longing to increase exist and even prevails knowing that there are things we cannot reach in this temporary life granting our common perspective of perfection? the perceived perfection and reality does not match in most if not in all cases..but why do we continue to seek that perfection anyway?

and it's really not at all that random, because most of the problems that we are facing are self-inflicted, if you are just careful you can avoid some serious hardships along the way..

while it is true that we have control of our lives there are also things that we dont have control of, and oftentimes it causes us problems., now is that a form of divine purpose? or a premiditated means to challenge you?.. i beg to differ with you on that... those to me are merely just problems, nothing more..

Yes True, because some people aren't careful enough, sometimes our poor choices even maximizes the effects of catastrophic events..in the nature of causes and effects..one way or another anybody's wrong choices can affect other people too..that should be the radom struggle we speak of..however, i believe it is only random for us who do not know absolutes..
'cause not only those random misfortunes cause us misery. they ultimately bring good things too through learnings and further understanding about the effects of the things we do..most of all maturity.
what's intriguing is, any unpleasant or undesirable event may it be totally random or self-inflicted has a corresponding specific effect..not just specific but a positive effect. that to me, is purpose.

it's up to you to draw something out from it.. like you for example, you like tattoos right? you like to ink yourself permanently, that's your decision, but imagine getting AIDS from those needles or some kind of disease? can you say it's a divine premeditated challenge? or a problem borne out from your own decisions?...

both.. i made my decision and God allowed it so i and the others would learn from my mistake..just like how i learned from others who carelessly inked themselves with shared needles..
mao karun, mga tattoo clinics have sanitation permits..

dili pa ba ta OT ani atong giistoryahan?
to be sure, evolution and everything else that had happened and created/caused what, how and who we are today are for a purpose..jsut like the struggles in Life.
hence guided by a supreme being as the bible suggests..so science and the bible does not necessarily contradict with each other.. the Bible uses metaphors and summarizes things..while Science intends to get the details..

[Jhared]

yeah i agree with you..and by series of failures i mean the normal perspective of most people. theists or atheists alike, it doesn't matter..you see, most people are never contented with whatever they have. even if they are already leading a good or even a better life, there's always this longing or wanting to have more.so regardless of how great one's achievements already are..if that person is still not satisfied then one way or another.. that person would still see him or herself as a failure...but i guess you're not most people. hehehe

haha! dili sa ingun ana bai...just pointing out to one of the common characteristics of men which is the unceasing desire to increase in Life..
and just because one desires to increase, it doesn't necessarily have to be depressing, feelings of discontent rather but this doesn't necessarily mean negative..to others, it could be a challege, quest or whatever..
so if Life has no purpose(you know what i mean), then how is it that these feelings or longing to increase exist and even prevails knowing that there are things we cannot reach in this temporary life granting our common perspective of perfection? the perceived perfection and reality does not match in most if not in all cases..but why do we continue to seek that perfection anyway?

You're trying to draw me into this topic of "desire to increase" when in fact it's nowhere near the nature of what we were talking about.. desiring to increase is a matter dependent upon the psychological aspect of an individual, which of course as you know is the fulcrum of every human behavior.. and this psychological aspect is molded by our individual past, hence personality varies from person to person, it's not uniform.. hence there are those whose desire to search for more are greater than the others, there are those that are contented with what they have, and there are those that dont desire anything at all...

but i see where you are getting at.. there is this part in you that says., "hey there is something weird going around here, perhaps it's an evidence that there is god"..

and to point out a single fact to you... there is no such thing as perfection.. perfection is just a word made to define whatever that is beautiful and without flaw.. perfect job, perfect life, perfect body, perfect face.. these are just vanities of life.. and why the hell do we constantly trying to achieve it? well it's an individual question that requires an individual answer...

Yes True, because some people aren't careful enough, sometimes our poor choices even maximizes the effects of catastrophic events..in the nature of causes and effects..one way or another anybody's wrong choices can affect other people too..that should be the radom struggle we speak of..however, i believe it is only random for us who do not know absolutes..
'cause not only those random misfortunes cause us misery. they ultimately bring good things too through learnings and further understanding about the effects of the things we do..most of all maturity.
what's intriguing is, any unpleasant or undesirable event may it be totally random or self-inflicted has a corresponding specific effect..not just specific but a positive effect. that to me, is purpose.

no man.. like i said, a problem is a problem.. just like a cancer is a cancer.. if you so choose to look at it as a tree of challenge that bears you fruit of moral lessons then that's up to you.. you either learn from it or break from it, that's on you.. you have to really stare at life in the face to really know what im talking about.. there's no fantasy but raw life.. and if you are not very careful expect to fall down..

both.. i made my decision and God allowed it so i and the others would learn from my mistake..just like how i learned from others who carelessly inked themselves with shared needles..
mao karun, mga tattoo clinics have sanitation permits..

god does not allow anything man., you allow it to happen if it happens., coz if you wouldve went to a better shop the outcome wouldve been different... anyways its good that you are careful.. that means you are not leaving anything to the hands of misfortune.. that to me is an unconscious act of unbelief to fate..

dili pa ba ta OT ani atong giistoryahan?
to be sure, evolution and everything else that had happened and created/caused what, how and who we are today are for a purpose..jsut like the struggles in Life.
hence guided by a supreme being as the bible suggests..so science and the bible does not necessarily contradict with each other.. the Bible uses metaphors and summarizes things..while Science intends to get the details..

i dont think so..

[Arteezy]

There's a lot of things science cannot explain. Even Einstein believed that God really exist.

mutuo og ginoo pero dili ginoo sa mga christians nga paki-alamiro sa sexual life sa mga tawo

[noy]

You're trying to draw me into this topic of "desire to increase" when in fact it's nowhere near the nature of what we were talking about.. desiring to increase is a matter dependent upon the psychological aspect of an individual, which of course as you know is the fulcrum of every human behavior.. and this psychological aspect is molded by our individual past, hence personality varies from person to person, it's not uniform.. hence there are those whose desire to search for more are greater than the others, there are those that are contented with what they have, and there are those that dont desire anything at all....

how do you know? yes it true that each of our approaches in this life is driven by whatever kind of life we had in the past, upbringing, outlook, influences etc but just because some people no longer step into the greater search, this does not mean they are already contented.. perhaps they just don't see an oppurtunity..perhaps they just grew bitter with Life..hence they settled with where they're at. perhaps they just chose to not hope or dream because of ill feelings towards hoping. in that case, it is the very opposite of contentment that you speak of

but i see where you are getting at.. there is this part in you that says., "hey there is something weird going around here, perhaps it's an evidence that there is god"..

perhaps..

and to point out a single fact to you... there is no such thing as perfection.. perfection is just a word made to define whatever that is beautiful and without flaw.. perfect job, perfect life, perfect body, perfect face.. these are just vanities of life.. and why the hell do we constantly trying to achieve it? well it's an individual question that requires an individual answer...

wouldn't you want a perfect job?or Life?
Can you honestly say that there is not a single desire in your soul to do better? to increase? or to provide more than what you already can or have?

no man.. like i said, a problem is a problem.. just like a cancer is a cancer.. if you so choose to look at it as a tree of challenge that bears you fruit of moral lessons then that's up to you.. you either learn from it or break from it, that's on you.. you have to really stare at life in the face to really know what im talking about.. there's no fantasy but raw life.. and if you are not very careful expect to fall down..

i didn't say we should fantasize bai.
what causes cancer and how can we prevent or avoid it? we can learn from a cancer patient about these matters..
naa bay pagkukulang ang usa ka cancer patient? again we can learn from them..
unsay ma learn sa mismong patient? depende na pud na sa ilaha..
my brother's mother in law died of cancer..but she sure did say a lot of things she learned from her disease before she died..she had a lot of regrets and things she realized that matter the most..and the likes..
point is bai, it's never about fantasizing nor dreaming about purpose. people do see the purpose behind these pains and losses. of course only if they choose to..

god does not allow anything man.,

how do you know?

you allow it to happen if it happens., coz if you wouldve went to a better shop the outcome wouldve been different...

there were many instances in the past that i was so sure of doing..
only the circumstances just didn't make them possible..which later of course i realize that if i had gone through with those things..i wouldn't have recovered from where i was.

anyways its good that you are careful.. that means you are not leaving anything to the hands of misfortune.. that to me is an unconscious act of unbelief to fate..

being careful is following the normal process. that's how we should roll.
whenever i get sick, the normal process is to go a doctor and have myself checked and it doesn't express any unbelief of my God's healing power at all.. God can heal me either miraculously or naturally..

the same way with creation, He can either create us all magically in an instant, or in 6 days or through natural and long process of causes and effects and evolution.
apparently it appears that the latter should be the case.

i dont think so..

of course you don't

[raissah]

ikaw kasabot naman ko ngano e insists gyud nimo imong pagka unggoy hahahaha

Kayasa this guy! haha buanga gud ani. Katawaa nako nimo slabs oi. Ikaw na! hahaha akong bahakhak dres opis abot canteen. pishtot!

[slabdans]

Kayasa this guy! haha buanga gud ani. Katawaa nako nimo slabs oi. Ikaw na! hahaha akong bahakhak dres opis abot canteen. pishtot!

there is only one way to stop the troll....e troll ra pud

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Kayasa this guy! haha buanga gud ani. Katawaa nako nimo slabs oi. Ikaw na! hahaha akong bahakhak dres opis abot canteen. pishtot!

there is only one way to stop the troll....e troll ra pud

[Jhared]

how do you know? yes it's true that each of our approaches in this life is driven by whatever kind of life we had in the past, upbringing, outlook, influences etc but just because some people no longer step into the greater search, this does not mean they are already contented.. perhaps they just don't see an oppurtunity..perhaps they just grew bitter with Life..hence they settled with where they're at. perhaps they just chose to not hope or dream because of ill feelings towards hoping. in that case, it is the very opposite of contentment that you speak of

I know coz that's what i found to be true.. so you dont believe in contentment?., you don't believe what your priests tells you about contentment?.. or are you just saying it to win an argument with me?.. believe it or not, there are people who are contented, my late grandpa for example have been selling ice drop for 15 years, nya ang presyo sa iyang ice drop piso lang gihapon, namatay nalang si lolo wala gyud siya nakaginansya sa iyang pamaligya.. and i asked him ngano man wala nimo gi increase ang presyo parihas sa uban?.. he told me nga malingaw naman lang siya magbaligya., said he dont want children to get dissapointed.. i dunno about you but that to me is contentment...

bitter with life and ill feelings have a past precedent like i said, and because of that it hinders them from reaching out a bit further,.. that's what i wanted to tell you., thus their desire to increase decreases and oftentimes no more.. thus they accept what they have and experience contentment...

wouldn't you want a perfect job?or Life?
Can you honestly say that there is not a single desire in your soul to do better? to increase? or to provide more than what you already can or have?

i've grown old enough to know that there is no such thing as a perfect job.. but there is such a thing as loving your job,. just like what Confucius said: "Love your job and you will never have to work a day in your life"..

i didn't say we should fantasize bai.
what causes cancer and how can we prevent or avoid it? we can learn from a cancer patient about these matters..
naa bay pagkukulang ang usa ka cancer patient? again we can learn from them..
unsay ma learn sa mismong patient? depende na pud na sa ilaha..
my brother's mother in law died of cancer..but she sure did say a lot of things she learned from her disease before she died..she had a lot of regrets and things she realized that matter the most..and the likes..
point is bai, it's never about fantasizing nor dreaming about purpose. people do see the purpose behind these pains and losses. of course only if they choose to..

that's what we call euphoria bay noy., and it's normal to experience such intense emotion, ikaw bay hapit na mamatay., no pun intended there, but the point is if you are fond of drawing out meaning and purpose from it, then do so if it pleases you..

how do you know?

i know coz i dont believe.

there were many instances in the past that i was so sure of doing..
only the circumstances just didn't make them possible..which later of course i realize that if i had gone through with those things..i wouldn't have recovered from where i was.

being careful is following the normal process. that's how we should roll.
whenever i get sick, the normal process is to go a doctor and have myself checked and it doesn't express any unbelief of my God's healing power at all.. God can heal me either miraculously or naturally..

yes but you chose to just go to the doctor rather than risk anything and leave it for god to decide..

the same way with creation, He can either create us all magically in an instant, or in 6 days or through natural and long process of causes and effects and evolution.
apparently it appears that the latter should be the case.

of course you don't

haha.. whatever pleases your mind..

[anubiz]

mutuo og ginoo pero dili ginoo sa mga christians nga paki-alamiro sa sexual life sa mga tawo

motuo ug ginoo dili sa mga christians hmmmm kinsa kaha na nga ginuo noh? ginoo sad na nimo Arteezy no? if sakto ko kabalo nako kinsa pero hope sayop ko..