True Age of the Universe - Biblical Fact - From Age 0 to Jesus

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mag abot napud ning religion vs science haskang lawgawa.

[ketllac]

@kenshiro


imong mga sources gikan sad na sa dili neutral nga mga grupo, ug sekta.

We are presenting evidences that refutes the old earth
yes if there are a lot of logical evidence and ideas that disputes a theory one can make a conclusion. Isn't that a valid process in science? we are talking about tons of evidences not mere speculation.

its more like this
dudahan tika nga bayot ka since based on some evidences you have a boyfriend that you dated and have intimate moments in plaza independencia aw maka conclude ta na bayot jud ka. ka claro na ana.

You are presenting evidences that aren't convincing enough to the scientific community.. that is why the key word there is disputed as you have used because we both questions the validity of our claims. so technically its not yet a conclusion because its been a dispute... basta naa diay dispute or doubt sa usa ka idea automatic ba nga dili tinuod.?

ang gibuhat sa creationists gi kuha ang mga facts kunuhay gi tagpi tagpi then i -connect to the conclusion that universe is young. ang naka bati pa gyud sa inyo position mo claim mo nga sakto inyo interpretation sa bible pero inyo facts sa pagsuporta sa interpretation gikan sa tagpi tagpi nga facts sa scientific discoveries, pero inyo i-criticize ang science kung dili mo favor sa inyo side..... your using kunuhay ug facts but to serve your own propaganda....gusto pugson ang facts para mo favor sa inyo propaganda nga mostly sa scientific community favor man sa idea nga ang universe pwerti ng tiguwanga..inyong posisyon pareha bitaw anang Dan Brown nga novel (angels and demons, da vinci code, etc) nga most materials are factual but ang conclusion faulty..because it doesnt follow from the premises..

[salbahis]

i sense the darkforce is creeping this thread, the wrath of mods will soon closed this thread...

bitaw honestly lang... dili nalang tana mag create ug ing-ani nga thread to avoid further conflict... kung gusto jud ninyo naay saktong lugar para ana... apparently dili diri..

gibawal na raba... gitudloan man kaha mog respeto sa inyo faith, gamita lang ninyo... kay daghan taw diri dili ganahan pugson ug but-an... kung gusto nila ma impirno pasagdi... ug gusto nila malangit pasagdi...

this site is not a public place but a private one, we are just guest here...

respeto lang tana ta sa occupant aning istorya... kung unsa ila gusto... bisita rata diri..

i suggest to close this thread padung ranis lalis...

[SioDenz]

expression. deprivation. istorya ta. i maybe pages behind you Mr. Rod, and i respect you, i respect everyone's thought in here. i understand that Biano did a beat terrific deed on this page (maybe in your own perspective sir) and i know that science and religion are two different worlds, and biano tried to make it one--maybe it could mislead others but that's why you are here sir, to defend and to correct things must be corrected (Basing on what you know or your tools). banning him is like removing one letter from the alphabet. i'm not defending him or his ideas, (i also don't like his ideas) but for it's not an apt action. Sir, you know how to ban, you know how to him back again, if you want to. thank you.

Perhaps he is just exercising his belief that what is Good and What is Bad is relative. So for him what Biano did was wrong, and it happen nga siya ang Mods so wa tay mahims.

[ketllac]

@kenshiro

kanang creation story. tan awa ra gud ug examina..day one Sunday-God created light and darkness. Dayon skip ta adto sa day 4 which Wednesday God created the SUn..tan awa ra,ang Sun or adlaw sa day 4 pa nabuhat..unya nganong sa day one naa may gitawag nga Sunday nga in the first place sa word sun man na gikan? so can you tell the real time ana nga pareha sa atong naandang panabot sa time?


Unsaon man nimo pag considera nga sunday na sa atong panabot sa time karon nga relative man ang time sa Sun which is the nearest star sa ato planet earth..Naa bay adlaw nga sunday anang panahuna..kana man gud spiritual nga nga concept sa time dili na pareha sa ato calendar system nga nag base sa revolution sa earth ngadto sa sun...basic ni nga astronomy ha.. ikaw imagina kuno nga ikaw ra usa sa universe nag lutaw lutaw in the midst of nothingness can you tell the time nga sunday na...mahimo ng Sunday, wednesday, etc because of the nature of relativity sa universe. Mao bitaw gitawag ng adlaw kay naay Sun ug earths "interaction" where in nag revolve ang earth around the sun ug ni tuyok ang earth with a constant speed of 24 hours......unya nganong naay may Sunday or day one nga ang sun na create man sa day 4 pa sa creation story...kana nag pasabot nga walay equivalent nga calendar system diha sa genesis nga pareha sa imo panabot about time and space...Mao nay gitawag nga God's time...that some theorizes nga ang day one could be a million years sa atong panabot nga it happens nga the said theory compatible sa discovery sa radiocarbon dating nga ang carbon14 has a half life of 5730 thousand years or more..mosugot kag sa dili ang pinaka convincing nga claim is tiguwang nga kaayo ang universe, tiguwang pa sa imo lolo..

usa pa kanang word Sunday to Friday has a roman word origin..dili na compatible or ma -equate ng conceptoha diha sa genesis nga purely spiritual...so kana inyong claim nga bata pa ang universe kay adlaw lang ang pagitan sa mga creations is purely a ridiculous claim..

[rodsky]

Perhaps he is just exercising his belief that what is Good and What is Bad is relative. So for him what Biano did was wrong, and it happen nga siya ang Mods so wa tay mahims.

This has nothing to do with my 'beliefs' or what I consider to be 'wrong' or 'right'. I am following a general accepted consensus (which I happen to agree with) around the world, in scientific circles, that such videos, that deliberately use 'scientific points' for the benefit of creationism (i.e. case in point, using the size of the planets and stars as a way to explain the bible and quote Isaiah), to make it appear to people who are still 'undecided' that "See? NINDOT ang Creationism kay o, tan-awa, mura man sad siyang scientific, so DIRI NA TA MGA MIGO!" Which is just BLATANT propaganda and HAS NOTHING to do with science or factual data and information. Mga buang dyud, mag gamit pa dyud ug technical terms like 'simulation room' para kuno urohay, technical and scientific ang dating sa ilang presentation pero klaro kaayo nga mga mangingilad.

In other words, I will personally not TOLERATE MGA MANGINGILAD diri sa iStorya.net. Ako dili ko mangingilad, pero ang uban sa inyo mangingilad dyud, klaro kaayo. Bantay lang mo kay BAN mo automatically diri pag sige pa mo'g ilad.

-RODION

[Grammaton]

Dili baya lisud i-grasp ang ang existence sa Ginoo just by observing all the created things around us. if we find it hard to believe the accounts of creation in genesis, how much more sa atua karon if we would try to think deeply nga gikan rata sa "sperm" (only a drop but wlay utok) nya maayo naman kayo mangitag rason?

[ketllac]

Dili baya lisud i-grasp ang ang existence sa Ginoo just by observing all the created things around us. if we find it hard to believe the accounts of creation in genesis, how much more sa atua karon if we would try to think deeply nga gikan rata sa "sperm" (only a drop but wlay utok) nya maayo naman kayo mangitag rason?

ang issue dire dili sa existence sa God in which I belive kundili naka sentro sa idea nga bata pa ang universe its because gi himo ra ni God ang universe within seven days...pareha ba na sa ato panabot sa time ug calendar method or God's time na?

[SioDenz]

This has nothing to do with my 'beliefs' or what I consider to be 'wrong' or 'right'. I am following a general accepted consensus (which I happen to agree with) around the world, in scientific circles, that such videos, that deliberately use 'scientific points' for the benefit of creationism (i.e. case in point, using the size of the planets and stars as a way to explain the bible and quote Isaiah), to make it appear to people who are still 'undecided' that "See? NINDOT ang Creationism kay o, tan-awa, mura man sad siyang scientific, so DIRI NA TA MGA MIGO!" Which is just BLATANT propaganda and HAS NOTHING to do with science or factual data and information. Mga buang dyud, mag gamit pa dyud ug technical terms like 'simulation room' para kuno urohay, technical and scientific ang dating sa ilang presentation pero klaro kaayo nga mga mangingilad.

In other words, I will personally not TOLERATE MGA MANGINGILAD diri sa iStorya.net. Ako dili ko mangingilad, pero ang uban sa inyo mangingilad dyud, klaro kaayo. Bantay lang mo kay BAN mo automatically diri pag sige pa mo'g ilad.

-RODION

Judging people as mangingilad kay wa mu adhere sa iyang Scientific belief - Science which is also LIMITED.

Bawal na diay run mugamit ug Science ang Biblical teachings? kadtung mga Scientist nga naghimu ug studies para ma Scientifically proven ang uban facts sa Bibliya, unsa man sad to sila - dili scientifically inclined?

[Grammaton]

This has nothing to do with my 'beliefs' or what I consider to be 'wrong' or 'right'. I am following a general accepted consensus (which I happen to agree with) around the world, in scientific circles, that such videos, that deliberately use 'scientific points' for the benefit of creationism (i.e. case in point, using the size of the planets and stars as a way to explain the bible and quote Isaiah), to make it appear to people who are still 'undecided' that "See? NINDOT ang Creationism kay o, tan-awa, mura man sad siyang scientific, so DIRI NA TA MGA MIGO!" Which is just BLATANT propaganda and HAS NOTHING to do with science or factual data and information. Mga buang dyud, mag gamit pa dyud ug technical terms like 'simulation room' para kuno urohay, technical and scientific ang dating sa ilang presentation pero klaro kaayo nga mga mangingilad.

In other words, I will personally not TOLERATE MGA MANGINGILAD diri sa iStorya.net. Ako dili ko mangingilad, pero ang uban sa inyo mangingilad dyud, klaro kaayo. Bantay lang mo kay BAN mo automatically diri pag sige pa mo'g ilad.

-RODION

Rodster, may man ug wlay buot ang mga tawo nga motuo dretso ug sayop! simply defend your atheism by your logic wala lay suk-anay kung mapildi ka sa discussion. ang boang kana tingaling magsige ug prove sa iyang point nga insakto nya kung dunay mo present nga mas klaro ug tinuod nga makauyon ang tawo, masuko dayon.

The general accepted concensus is that people believe in an almighty GOD who created the universe. Mas nindot ug limpyo jud ang fact sa creationism!

Mao bitaw magkagubot kay inyo dayon gamitan ug force dili mo kamao makig discuss in a civil way.