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    yes indeed but that is different case..

    Matthew 12:32 "And whosoever shall speak a word against the Son of man, it shall be forgiven him: but he that shall speak against the Holy Ghost, it shall not be forgiven him, neither in this world, nor in the world to come

    yes all sins can be forgiven i have no objection to that but there is an exception in matthews.. murag klaro-klaro man sad cguro na pagkasulti dha nga verse bro..

    im just following what's written bro nothing more..

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    Quote Originally Posted by carmicaeld View Post
    did you know that the Bible is a literary work inspired by God? there are things in the Bible that cannot be taken literally, whilst others need common sense. the Bible CANNOT contradict itself. these are the passages saying that ALL SINS CAN BE FORGIVEN:

    Psalm 85:2


    Psalm 103: 2-3


    Isaiah 1:18


    Isaiah 55:6-7


    1 John 1:9


    clearly, the difficulty here is in the understanding of the "unforgivable" sin. to put it briefly, it is "unforgivable", as so, only when we REJECT forgiveness.

    i rest my case. as this now becomes OT.
    Are you sure pastor the bible cannot contradict itself? If I can cite verses that there are lots of contradictions in the bible are you willing to accept them?

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    Quote Originally Posted by carmicaeld View Post
    it is funny how you reply to my posts without thinking/understanding them. do you even know what ab absurdo means? and to answer your 2nd question: a Christian does not intend to read other sacred scripture to guide his FAITH other than the Bible. in the same way, a Muslim would recognize only the Qu'ran as his holy book. do you actually think that real Christians/Muslims/Buddhists read the Avesta for guidance in terms of FAITH? (or vice-versa)

    "If writers wrote as carelessly as some people talk, then adhasdh asdglaseuyt[bn[pasdlgkhasdfasdf."
    Ah ok I'm not thinking and understanding! Ok tell me what is that ab absurdo? educate me pastor with your brilliant mind! Are you sure a christian does not intend to read other sacred scripture to guide his FAITH other than the Bible? I have a friend who is a priest and he reads other sacred books from other religions and many others. Are you saying they are not christians? You are contradicting yourself pastor. With due respect to other faiths, are you sure their scholars are not studying COMPARATIVE RELIGION? I think you are mistaken pastor. I even read the Bhagavad Gita as one of my inspiration together with my bible and it does not conflict with my belief. I think you are just being fanatic pastor with your bible. Sorry to say that

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    OT: My friend said, Logically speaking, if we find some errors or fault or diff interpretation from diff writers in a PERFECT book, then logic says its not Absolute. So Bible is not Absolute.

    I grew up reading the bible and was a seminarian for seven years , but as i grew older, I began to notice some unanswered questions about our very existance.

    Here's a link, watch it, and tell me after u watch if the Bible is still a good basis of our existance.

    YouTube - Mysterious Origins Of Man - Forbidden Archeology.Part 1
    Last edited by regnauld; 01-08-2009 at 11:26 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by regnauld View Post
    Are you sure pastor the bible cannot contradict itself? If I can cite verses that there are lots of contradictions in the bible are you willing to accept them?
    haha. are there any? are you sure you have understood their meaning?

    Quote Originally Posted by regnauld View Post
    Ah ok I'm not thinking and understanding! Ok tell me what is that ab absurdo? educate me pastor with your brilliant mind!
    and that my friend, is a very good example.

    Quote Originally Posted by regnauld View Post
    Are you sure a christian does not intend to read other sacred scripture to guide his FAITH other than the Bible? I have a friend who is a priest and he reads other sacred books from other religions and many others. Are you saying they are not christians? You are contradicting yourself pastor.
    ah, but does this priest do what is required in those books? does this friend priest of yours have wives? or does this friend take lives of those who blasphemes his Lord?

    Quote Originally Posted by regnauld View Post
    With due respect to other faiths, are you sure their scholars are not studying COMPARATIVE RELIGION? I think you are mistaken pastor. I even read the Bhagavad Gita as one of my inspiration together with my bible and it does not conflict with my belief. I think you are just being fanatic pastor with your bible. Sorry to say that
    is STUDY MATERIAL and BASIS FOR FAITH the same?

    Quote Originally Posted by regnauld View Post
    OT: My friend said, Logically speaking, if we find some errors or fault or diff interpretation from diff writers in a PERFECT book, then logic says its not Absolute. So Bible is not Absolute.
    i believe that i have posted: "the bible cannot contradict itself". hm, wait, i didn't say PERFECTION anywhere now, did i?

    Quote Originally Posted by regnauld View Post
    I grew up reading the bible and was a seminarian for seven years , but as i grew older, I began to notice some unanswered questions about our very existance.
    OT: it is spelled as existence.


    Quote Originally Posted by regnauld View Post
    Here's a link, watch it, and tell me after u watch if the Bible is still a good basis of our existance.

    YouTube - Mysterious Origins Of Man - Forbidden Archeology.Part 1
    haha. i laughed at this comedy show that you have pointed out. i watched this a long time ago, in a convention discussing the film's errors. quality science was nowhere to be found. the show was clearly one sided as the scientists interviewed for it present their fantastic claims unchallenged.

    take the accounts of Michael Cremo. he claims that humans have lived for many many millions of years into the past. and the scientific community has been covering this fact. blah blah blah. he also claims that hiding anomalous results prevents science from progressing. blah blah blah. so, how can he explain the speed of how science progresses?

    next up is Carl Baugh, an anthropologist(or is he?). he talked about the supposed human footprints found beside dino tracks. did the film mention that this was already explained by scientist Ronnie Hastings et altera?

    just pointing out a few of this films "misleading" arguments. more talk. less science. a very funny movie indeed. nice try, though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by carmicaeld View Post
    haha. are there any? are you sure you have understood their meaning?


    and that my friend, is a very good example.


    ah, but does this priest do what is required in those books? does this friend priest of yours have wives? or does this friend take lives of those who blasphemes his Lord?


    is STUDY MATERIAL and BASIS FOR FAITH the same?


    i believe that i have posted: "the bible cannot contradict itself". hm, wait, i didn't say PERFECTION anywhere now, did i?


    OT: it is spelled as existence.



    haha. i laughed at this comedy show that you have pointed out. i watched this a long time ago, in a convention discussing the film's errors. quality science was nowhere to be found. the show was clearly one sided as the scientists interviewed for it present their fantastic claims unchallenged.

    take the accounts of Michael Cremo. he claims that humans have lived for many many millions of years into the past. and the scientific community has been covering this fact. blah blah blah. he also claims that hiding anomalous results prevents science from progressing. blah blah blah. so, how can he explain the speed of how science progresses?

    next up is Carl Baugh, an anthropologist(or is he?). he talked about the supposed human footprints found beside dino tracks. did the film mention that this was already explained by scientist Ronnie Hastings et altera?

    just pointing out a few of this films "misleading" arguments. more talk. less science. a very funny movie indeed. nice try, though.

    IM JUST CURIOUS, shall i read & understand the bible verbatim? as in everything? is there any room for allegories, or myths perhaps?

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    Quote Originally Posted by flying fish View Post
    IM JUST CURIOUS, shall i read & understand the bible verbatim? as in everything? is there any room for allegories, or myths perhaps?
    there are things in the Bible that cannot be taken literally, whilst others need common sense. basically, metaphor, hyperbole, etcetera.

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    Quote Originally Posted by carmicaeld View Post
    there are things in the Bible that cannot be taken literally, whilst others need common sense. basically, metaphor, hyperbole, etcetera.

    i don't know if this is contradiction, but for instance the teachings between the old testament & the new, they seem to clash with each other, sa old testament the god is very angry & vengeful, sa new kay gentlemen kay si jesus, turn the other cheek, etc. how do you find this seeming contradiction?

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    Quote Originally Posted by flying fish View Post
    i don't know if this is contradiction, but for instance the teachings between the old testament & the new, they seem to clash with each other, sa old testament the god is very angry & vengeful, sa new kay gentlemen kay si jesus, turn the other cheek, etc. how do you find this seeming contradiction?
    for RC, God the Father, God the Son (Jesus), God the Holy Spirit are one. since you spoke of the bible, then you should probably know that the night before Jesus died, He prayed to God the Father? if you take it literally, He prayed to himself. Why? i don't know. there are some things that can't be explain in words.

    Hello... have you ever heard of the word mystery?

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    Quote Originally Posted by flying fish View Post
    i don't know if this is contradiction, but for instance the teachings between the old testament & the new, they seem to clash with each other, sa old testament the god is very angry & vengeful, sa new kay gentlemen kay si jesus, turn the other cheek, etc. how do you find this seeming contradiction?
    Frying Fish i love this bible which is full of contradictions

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