The KOBE vs JORDAN Debate

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definitely MJ!

[tackielarla]

Kobe = child molester/rapist

[lecreigh]

this is understandable oi cos mas dugay na gud si mj kesa kang kobe. basta, kobe has the makings of a great bb player, basta lang sakto pagka-tap sa iyang abilities. Ü

[weezur]

now that we've seen the Finals, better comparison sguro should be LB vs KB. MJ would never allow such a beating in the Finals game, or even those comebacks.

[weezur]

Shaq was lucky to have Wade last year

@walrus, wala lagi kakuha ug NBA ring si penny?

kay na pa si Hakeem to spank Shaq and of course, MJ's return hehehhe.

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to all KOBE fans... this article is for u to enlighten ur judgment about ur idol....

Boston fans are right, Kobe wasn't Jordan

In his best chance at establishing his legacy as a championship player without Shaquille O'Neal, Kobe Bryant was seemingly burdened by something even heavier. He made just seven of 22 mostly wild shots. He had just one assist. He had four turnovers.

The league MVP was AWFUL, unable to break through even the most basic of one-on-one Celtic defenses, unable to carry a team that needed carrying wrote Los Angeles Times columnist Bill Plaschke.

In the six games of the series, he shot poorly, led inconsistently, had only one really dramatic moment, and that was on defense. And, so, in voices that seemingly shook the TD Banknorth Garden, with Bryant standing at the foul line in the third quarter, here came those chants.

"You're . . . not . . . Jordan!" the fans sang, referring to Michael Jordan.

No, clearly, at this point he is not.

When Bryant began the fourth quarter on the bench with his team trailing by 29 points, they chanted again.

"Where . . . is . . . Kobe?" they sang even louder.

Today even the most diehard Bryant fans must be asking themselves the same thing, in wondering how far he can lead a team by himself.

Source: Los Angeles Times

[Patorikku]

Ouch!.....

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Dedication to the game?

Mike has nine 82 game seasons. Kobe has two.

Mike has eleven 80+ game seasons. Kobe has four.


What If?

If Kobe were to play another ten seasons of 80 games apiece (for 800 games total), he would have to average over 35.7 points per game for the rest of his career to match Jordan's career scoring average. He hasn't even had one season that high.

If Kobe were to play another 8 years (for 640 more games), he would need to average 37.1 points per game.

If Kobe were to play another 5 years (for 400 games, which is what Kobe has hinted is his approximate time left), he would need to average 41.3 ppg.

If Kobe were to match Jordan's scoring average by the time he has been playing as long as Jordan did (1072 games), he would need to average 51.8 ppg.

If Kobe were to play until he's 50 years old (another 20 seasons), he would still have to average 32.8 ppg just to near Jordan's scoring average.

Kobe could make 1400 consecutive shots, and he still wouldn't match Jordan in shooting efficiency.

If Kobe were to take 1500 shots per season for the next 5 years, he would need to shoot 59.3% from the field to reach Jordan's field goal percentage. No guard has ever shot even close to this. Kobe has never even shot 47% for one season.

If Kobe were to play for another decade and takes 1500 shots each season, he would need to make more than 54.5% of them.

In order to match Jordan's assists numbers by the time he's played as long as Jordan did, Kobe needs to average 8 assists per game. Kobe has never even done this for a month.

When is a player shooting too much?

Kobe has shot basically the league average for his career. Jordan was so efficient on offense that he would frequently be found in the top ten players in the league in field goal percentage during midseason. Jordan always shot far above league average.

Michael Jordan also shot much better than his team shot during his career with the Chicago Bulls, more than justifying the number of shots he took. In fact, Jordan probably would have won more games had he not placed so much trust in his teammates.

Kobe, on the other hand, has shot worse than his own team in 10 of his 12 seasons. He has proven that he cannot singlehandedly will his team to victory, but rather must rely upon the support of an efficient big man for success.





Observations

Michael Jordan averaged 30 points per game during the slowest paced era in NBA history. He scored much more with much greater efficiency in less opportunities. This is based upon fact, not opinion. Number of possessions per game reached an all-time low during the mid and late 1990s.

The era in which Jordan played is incomparable with the one in which Kobe plays. Jordan played in an era that featured not only the most competition, but the toughest, most physical defenses in NBA history. There was no flagrant foul throughout the 1980s. Free throws were rarely awarded for fouls. Another fact is that the tallest era in NBA history was the late 1980s, when Jordan was dominating the league as no guard has ever done.

The point that there was no zone defense in the 1980s is moot when it is applied to Jordan's situation. Defenses consistently attempted to triple team Jordan, only to fail. Not even the best teams in the league could stop Jordan individually. Defenses quickly learned that the only way to stop Jordan was with HARD contact. There is still no true zone in the NBA. Due to defensive violation rules such as the 3-second lane rule, a zone is impossible in the NBA.

The modern era features rules that are completely geared to favor offensive minded wing players. Kobe is an offensive minded wing player. No handchecking rules prevent close perimeter defense. Fouls are called and free throws awarded on minimal to no contact. As Phil Jackson himself points out, "Michael would average 45 with these rules". In the modern league, few players even elect to play defense. The few great defensive teams in the modern league, such as Boston, Chicago, Detroit and San Antonio, consistently stop Kobe.

[ManWhore]

Kobe, Kobe, Kobe

[sadahkingjam]

Kobe, Kobe, Kobe

kobe gud tawn sa imo otot, ka banga ni kobe sa finals ngeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee