If someone ask you "Luwas na ba ka?", whats ur answer?

[shimiyu]

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on standby...

[Stingray Sr.]

@stingray, I was wondering why you said justice is not complete in Christianity when the good Book says there will be a final reckoning for all. Thank you.

I was referring to my post#286.
And please stop quoting the Bible.
It is far out of what I was discussing about.
I was talking of reincarnation, and the type of Justice.
I was comparing the two concepts of Justice.
The one is complete, like Karma. And the incomplete one of Christians.
Well, of course, there is nothing written in the good book about reincarnation and its concept of justice.
They are two different beliefs.

[nemmo723]

wow, no respect. but ako sir tahod gyud ko nimo ai. brightan man ko nimo sir. mag-put up nya ko dri fans club para imo lang sir. sko president sir. ok lang ka ana sir?

naka take ko sir oi, but hagbong ko. ikaw man tingali ako maestro adto. nah, wa gyud koy psycho=psycho sir. salamat intawun sa imong kaluoy sir. samot nako ma admire nimo. bright na maluluy-on pa.

Hehe. sir basaha pud ako post regarding incarnation and hindu. dba naay "?" sa uwahi? pasabot ato sir dili statement. question to sir, gpangutana tka, kay naghinaut ko maexplika sa imong kabright. naunsa man si sir oi, na dis-appoint nuon ko, hapit naunta ko mabilib sa taman, ready na gani ko mag presidente sa imong fans club, ai ai ai, but cge lang sir, admire ra ghapon ko, kay mao baya na ang imong gkanindot ngari ai.

huh? imong "?" kay sa concubines man to, dili sa hindu reincarnation.. read ur post again.


Hehe. wala ghapon d i ka ka get sir? sa imong questions nga -----
* Christ is the ONLY savior?
* other religions can save also?

or basig naa kay lain answer?

d a ako tubag sir ai:

nya sir in the christian context sir, si CHRIST ra ang Savior of all men.

but in the muslim context sir, si al'lah ray savior of all men

sa Hindu si shiva is one......

sa mga buddhist lahi pud.

sa atheists wala.

so ang ako lang masulti bahin ani sir, pagpili ka, kay naaraman na sa imong atubangan kung unsay hilig nimo, but kung dili pud ka ganahan mo pili, pwede ra pud.

kung imo tanaw basta wa ka nagbuhat ug dautan nya naningkamot ka nga maging huwaran nga citizen of the world unya enough nana. d enough na for you. angang pugson gyud tka sa ako tinuohan nga si Christ ra ang way to salvation and nothing else. dba? kay kung puson tka, wa nakoy nada nga pagkatao, ako nasab nya ang dili maging huwaran nga citizen of the world. ug kung ako pud iwithhold ang information nga ako nahibaoan laina pud nako ako ray nagsulo.

so arun balansi sir, ako ka pahibao-un assuming wapaka kabalo but kung dili ka, ok ra kaayo sir oi, padayun lang. walay pugsanay. mapugos ba d i ang usa ka tao? ang pobre ug gamay pangutok naa man gani karapatan nga mo desisyon sa iyang kaugalingon, ikaw pakaha nga bright kaayo, maayog pngutok, analysis paimo tumpak gyud, ug braod reader, much broader experience pa, ug grabe pa mga kasalamuha sa kinabuhi. ako tag-anun sir, mamatay nalang uban dili pa kaambit sa imong naabton run. Smiley nice kaayo ai. nice gyud!

imong tubag kay walay klaro.. pwede ba diay na Christ is the ONLY Savior of man, pero other religions can save man pud diay? contradiction man na gud. mura ka gasulti na in Christianity, true ang christianity, false ang uban, pero sa uban religion true pud diay ilaha.. ur saying black is black, white is white, but in other religions black is white? liboga nimo oi..

aw mao ba sir, unsa pa nga mga books sir. ilista diri sir, arun ma - aware mga christians. kay kuwangan ra ilang books. cge sir ha. paabot ko sa lista. exciting ba ani oi.....
nya kanindot sa imong mga interpolations sir, kay clear kaayo, ang mga christians wala kabalo nga seconnd collections to, may paka kabalo. bright gyud nimo sir oi. i admire you sir.
yay ka nice oi " iknow what i am talking about" " i don't forget" "maybe you owe to proceess your own thoughts" pasumpaya ko sa imong mga quotable lines sir ha, kay nice kaayo.........
"U process your thought because if your not, i will do it for you and embarrassed you with my superior analysis" --- bravo that's my idol. proud kaau ko sa ako idol oi.

unya mutubag pud diay ka sa post na dili para imoha?

[shimiyu]

A rather interesting mix of beliefs you have there @stingray. Thanks.

[JX]

Post #286 and #296 will answer your question about justice.

Post #296 (Justice)

Dli ba mao2x ra nang patyon ka ug kanapo bec. of karma ug sa concept sa hell sa christianity?
And i disagree bout karma in hindus as a universal justice.. there is good and bad karma.. its not always fair..
if you do good(you cant expect good karma all the time), pwede mobalik, pwede dli..

[nemmo723]

@JX

transmigration does not necessarily serve the purpose of reincarnation. in a way, transmigration is a form of reincarnation for the fact that the soul is reborn into flesh again, but the hindus have debated against transmigration because its procedures is not appropriate for the occupant soul.

transmigration, as it is popularly used, is the rebirth of the soul into other organisms. example: when a baby dies, he may be reincarnated into a butterfly, or a cow.

however, the hindus have argued that the soul of the previously deceased can only reincarnate into an organism that is of the same species or one with higher sense faculties. it would be absurd for a human to transmigrate into a cockroach because the cockroach senses will not help anymore with the evolution of the occupant soul. that's why when some people begin to utter that reincarnation is like that, it only shows that they have not really understood the concept of reincarnation. its a common misnomer to interchange transmigration with reincarnation. reincarnation in the real purpose, is for the soul to balance whatever it needs to balance in the next life, a lesson to be learned, a wrong to be right, a moment to be experienced, etc, etc.. in whatever way the balance can be manifested. karma is the end goal of reincarnation. karma is balance, equilibrium, some would call it perfect Justice, or retribution or vengeance, but its not really those. those terms have human intentions, karma does not take any sides, it just balances whatever needs to be balance. sometimes we see it as retribution or payback, sometimes we see it as unfair favoritism, but this is due to our emotional attachments towards the karmic consequences happening. sometimes to really see the purpose of karma, one needs to detached himself of any personal emotional biases. a good fiction book i can recommend to understand more about this detachment from personal emotional biases is paolo coelho's book, the fifth mountain, or was it by the river piedra i sat down and wept.. but aside from books, a life long experience, maybe when one reaches old age, 60s or 70s, one can see the purposes of the happenings in one's life.. its karma.. what we thought was unfair before just makes perfect sense now that we understood it na.

the concept of reincarnation was supposed to be included in the canon law back then when christianity's foundation was put in place, but it does not coincide with the concept of heaven and hell, which requires that the mortal man having just one life, and once dead, shall remain dead until judgment day. some historians think that was the reason why reincarnation was not included in the catechesis of christianity, particularly the roman catholic church. but personally, the concept of reincarnation goes beyond the significance of the mortal man. it centers on the soul. so if u ask me, i dont really see any direct contradiction between judgment day and reincarnation. mortal man has one life only, but the soul lives forever. the soul needs a body/a medium to learn things in the physical plane. besides, in reincarnation, the soul must "forget" the memories of the past life when it is being reincarnated into a new body, and so the new mortal man starts with a fresh slate of memories. the only thing retained by the soul from the previous life is the essence of what has been learned, like for example, when one is born and exhibits a natural kindness or love for animals, one can say that in his previous life, he learned that kindness already, and it comes naturally already into this new reincarnated life.

anyway, magvacation sa ko.. hehehe.. pahuway sa ko... so catch u all next week, im taking the next 5 days off vacation!! hehehe..

[BushidoFMA]

@JX

transmigration does not necessarily serve the purpose of reincarnation. in a way, transmigration is a form of reincarnation for the fact that the soul is reborn into flesh again, but the hindus have debated against transmigration because its procedures is not appropriate for the occupant soul.

transmigration, as it is popularly used, is the rebirth of the soul into other organisms. example: when a baby dies, he may be reincarnated into a butterfly, or a cow.

however, the hindus have argued that the soul of the previously deceased can only reincarnate into an organism that is of the same species or one with higher sense faculties. it would be absurd for a human to transmigrate into a cockroach because the cockroach senses will not help anymore with the evolution of the occupant soul. that's why when some people begin to utter that reincarnation is like that, it only shows that they have not really understood the concept of reincarnation. its a common misnomer to interchange transmigration with reincarnation. reincarnation in the real purpose, is for the soul to balance whatever it needs to balance in the next life, a lesson to be learned, a wrong to be right, a moment to be experienced, etc, etc.. in whatever way the balance can be manifested. karma is the end goal of reincarnation. karma is balance, equilibrium, some would call it perfect Justice, or retribution or vengeance, but its not really those. those terms have human intentions, karma does not take any sides, it just balances whatever needs to be balance. sometimes we see it as retribution or payback, sometimes we see it as unfair favoritism, but this is due to our emotional attachments towards the karmic consequences happening. sometimes to really see the purpose of karma, one needs to detached himself of any personal emotional biases. a good fiction book i can recommend to understand more about this detachment from personal emotional biases is paolo coelho's book, the fifth mountain, or was it by the river piedra i sat down and wept.. but aside from books, a life long experience, maybe when one reaches old age, 60s or 70s, one can see the purposes of the happenings in one's life.. its karma.. what we thought was unfair before just makes perfect sense now that we understood it na.

the concept of reincarnation was supposed to be included in the canon law back then when christianity's foundation was put in place, but it does not coincide with the concept of heaven and hell, which requires that the mortal man having just one life, and once dead, shall remain dead until judgment day. some historians think that was the reason why reincarnation was not included in the catechesis of christianity, particularly the roman catholic church. but personally, the concept of reincarnation goes beyond the significance of the mortal man. it centers on the soul. so if u ask me, i dont really see any direct contradiction between judgment day and reincarnation. mortal man has one life only, but the soul lives forever. the soul needs a body/a medium to learn things in the physical plane. besides, in reincarnation, the soul must "forget" the memories of the past life when it is being reincarnated into a new body, and so the new mortal man starts with a fresh slate of memories. the only thing retained by the soul from the previous life is the essence of what has been learned, like for example, when one is born and exhibits a natural kindness or love for animals, one can say that in his previous life, he learned that kindness already, and it comes naturally already into this new reincarnated life.

anyway, magvacation sa ko.. hehehe.. pahuway sa ko... so catch u all next week, im taking the next 5 days off vacation!! hehehe..

The better way to express reincarnation w/o the thought of transmigration is REBIRTH.

[JX]

@nemmo723

hinduism & christianity:

human transmigration - transfer of soul to any lifeform(ex. cockroach)
human reincarnation - transfer of soul only to human form
-- karma - balance
-- purgatory - purification
(to break the cycle of rebirth, one must break the bonds of karma)
(purgatory: the final purification of the elect)

human transmigration: very few would account their animal past life memories
from being human to being a cow/dog/cockroach - (heaven/purgatory/hell)

human reincarnation: past life memories as a rich&famous/foreigner/beggar
living the human life: rich/average/poor - (heaven/purgatory/hell)

[mr.ho_chia2]

imong tubag kay walay klaro.. pwede ba diay na Christ is the ONLY Savior of man, pero other religions can save man pud diay? contradiction man na gud. mura ka gasulti na in Christianity, true ang christianity, false ang uban, pero sa uban religion true pud diay ilaha.. ur saying black is black, white is white, but in other religions black is white? liboga nimo oi..

kung mo ingon ko nga exclusive sakto ang mga christians sayop ko. kung magingon ko pwede tanan, kanya-kanya, libog walay klaro. unsa mangyud imong gusto d i sir?

sige sir ikaw nalang tubag sa imong pangutana kay wala man koy klaro, tanawon nato imo kay ako tanaw klaro imoha sir. cge sir beh.........

[noel quinicot]

Ako? Luwas?
aw! Pwerteng Luwasa!!!!!!!!!!! :mrgreen: