Second Look on Islam

[Malic]

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in my little understanding, ni-allow sya and you can read it in the old testament..

maybe you can share to me if ni-allow gihapon sya in the new testament or after Jesus was born..

i also agree sir nga mo allow ang Ginoo ug killing.


well kung mo quote ta ni Jesus wala man jud siya exclusive nga command about ana pero dunay mga clue ha nga mo allow gihapon siya. Pero kung lahion nimo ang new ug old pasabot ana sir nga mas bug-at ang osa nya ang osa dili kau importante? Pero according sa christian history naa man nag ingun didto nga "by this sign(cross) you shall conquer" , mao tong cge pod sila ug conquer. After na ni ni Jesus.

[NASYO]

Pero according sa christian history naa man nag ingun didto nga "by this sign(cross) you shall conquer" , mao tong cge pod sila ug conquer. After na ni ni Jesus.

dili na c Jesus nag-ingon, mga tawo na.

[Malic]

if both are written by men, inspired by God,

written by men man kaha, naa possibilties na sayop?

corrupted?

pasabta tawn mi.

if bible is corrupted kay edited na, sumala nimo basi sa mga scholars.

possible ba nga kanang basis of faith nimo ron sayop kay binuhat lang sad sa tawo.

aw, sorry, sinulat sa tawo.

murag nanginahanglan jud tali ug lapad na intrada ang pulong na respeto bro.

maayo pay maminaw na lang ta ug "Imagine"

dili ni binuang ako-a.

just promoting for world peace.

walay room for mistake sir kay direct transmission man to. sa case sa Qur'an si angel gabriel ang gahatag sa mensahe nya iyang gi hatag ni Prophet Muhammad(pbuh). Sa case sa bible divinely inspired to sila pero kato ran ang original ha. Ang problema karun kay nawala na ang original nga torah ug gospels, then ang mga scholars pod naa slay namatikdan nga mga questionable nga mga omssions ug mga forgery sa case sa trinitarian verse, nya ang mga authors questionable jud kaau.

Sa case sa quran naa pay original nga ni exist nya na complie ni one year after sa death ni Prophet Muhammad in contrast sa bible ang pinaka earliest manuscript na sulat many many many many years after sa death ni Jesus. So dako kau chances nga dunay mga inaccurate nga mga events or mga words nga mahisulat sa bibliya.

[Malic]

dili na c Jesus nag-ingon, mga tawo na.

correct dili si Jesus ang nagsulti ana kay kung duna pa toy command si Jesus nga dili nA puede ng gubat aw dili pod to sila mo tukod ug crusader. Pero walay may sugo si Hesus bahin ana so padayun sila ug gubat.

[NASYO]

walay room for mistake sir kay direct transmission man to.

Sure?

Dili kaha to bunga lang sad sa imahinasyon? Hallucination?

Dili man gud ko motu-o ug gahum2X sir. magik2X ug power2X.

pasensya na ha.


Usahay man gud sir, sa pagkafanatic sa tawo, malimtan na nila nga para sa Gugma ug Kalinaw ra man unta dapat nato buhaton.

Salamat..

[Malic]

Sure?

Dili kaha to bunga lang sad sa imahinasyon? Hallucination?

Dili man gud ko motu-o ug gahum2X sir. magik2X ug power2X.

pasensya na ha.


Usahay man gud sir, sa pagkafanatic sa tawo, malimtan na nila nga para sa Gugma ug Kalinaw ra man unta dapat nato buhaton.

Salamat..

well kung mao na imong basehan sir nga imagination or hallucination. ang ako matubag sir is so far kanang tao nga naa sa mental hospital karun dili man sila ka function properly wala pod silay natukod nga relihiyon, nya lack pod sila ug capability mo lead ug organization. In other words sir dili sila ka function properly.

Si Muhammad was able to change the barbaric lifestyle of the people their and was able to form a small group and turned it into an empire.

[NASYO]

Si Muhammad was able to change the barbaric lifestyle of the people their and was able to form a small group and turned it into an empire.

I hope dili na barbaric jud ha. No "Killing in the name of..." na ha..

And to all my brothers and sisters, please lang.. Paminaw mo ug "imagine" ni John lennon..

mao ra jud na ang solusyon. thank you.

[Malic]

I hope dili na barbaric jud ha. No "Killing in the name of..." na ha..

And to all my brothers and sisters, please lang.. Paminaw mo ug "imagine" ni John lennon..

mao ra jud na ang solusyon. thank you.

ah dili na barbaric sir. Basta imo lang ibutang sa context. bisan mopatay pa ka for the cause of God dili na barbaric. kay killing in the name of God ang pasabot ana sir is you are bringing justice sa mga oppress.

[NASYO]

ah dili na barbaric sir. Basta imo lang ibutang sa context. bisan mopatay pa ka for the cause of God dili na barbaric. kay killing in the name of God ang pasabot ana sir is you are bringing justice sa mga oppress.

Ayaw na lagi anang patay2X bro..

dako kaayo na kalapasan sa tawhanong katungod..

Ayaw jud anang patay2X ha..

Dapat pro-life ta..

mao nga paminaw jud ug "Imagine" ni John Lennon

kanang imo giingon na pagpatay, nagbase na sad ka ana situationally sir..

APAN, dakong apan.. Dili jud option ang pagpatay..

PLEASE lang ha.. Ayaw na anang patay2X..

[boxingfan529]

Sir kung nagbuhat ka ug somethjing nga dili sakto unsa may tawag ana? di ba nag pataka na. So ayaw kasuko kung ingnan tika nga nagpataka ka.

Sir you can be confrontational all you want thats unavoidable sa mga debates basta wala lang mockery. di na ta bata sir nga mag pa cute cute.



Sir mao gihapon ang tubag nako, ang bible is corrupted. Even bible scholars will agree.

kung mangutana ka kung asa ang dili corrupted ug asa ang corrupted would that mean that you are acknowledging that the bible is not one book? If a book have been found to be corrupted everything in that book is questionable. To say w/c part is corrupt and not, holds no grip already because it is being infected with a diease. Everything is questionable.

I know that the bible is made up of different books and letters BUT EARLY CHRISTIANS by the order of a pagan emperor who killed his relatives after his conversion to christianity compiled it as one book. Mao ng ang bible karun is already considered as ONE book.

dont aks me w/c one is not corrupt and w/c one is not because in the first place you have not proven to me w/c part is the original and w/c part is not. If you can do that then maybe i can point out to you w/c one is corrupt and w/c one is not. But then again the bible is one book. One forge or omssions can take away the book's credibility.


to ask w/c one is not corrupt and corrupt would mean that there are still parts that are reliable. But to me everything in that book is questionable.

If other muslims believe that some parts are not corrupt well ila na sir, i follow a different scholar.


Sir I believe that some bible scholars are worth listening too. its not a question if they are a believer or not. I have gone through christian apologetics site and read the works of other fine sholars who are giving an honest evaluation of the manuscripts and to me between the people who expose the forgery made during erasmus time and the people who tires to conceal it , i rather believe the former.


and my assumption is correct.

you know what, tungod kay lahi2x atong gituuhan, obviously, dali ra jud ko mag ingon nga pataka gihapon akong kaistorya. mostly, confrontational type of discussion leads to nowhere if you ask me because i have been to many myself too.

since, you already closed the torah and psalm discussion kay murag final answer naman to. ato na lng to iclose kay wa gihapon pulos. also, correction diay, ang bible is not one book but a compilation of books kay dili ra man isa ang nagsulat nga tao, dba? one proof, and dead sea scroll. if you haven't read about it then do so kay tong imong ingon nga one emperor nga na convert, hipos na tong mga books nga gibutang sa mga kweba sa dead sea dapit.

all bible-scholars are worth listening to bai. believer or non-believer alike. kung familiar ka sa topic ug imong sabton tanan, more or less they all agree on certain issues. ang lema lang, almost everyone has their own conclusion which might be same or different from one another - that is a problem with scholars. facts lng unta ilang ihatag dili conclusion kay otherwise murag na clag theologians nga gahatag sa ilang kaugalingon nga interpretasyon. ang nahinabo karon kay almost the same facts but with their own differing conclusions. so mas maau pa nga kuhaun ilang conclusions ang fact lng ang gamiton para ang tao nga gabasa mau na lng ang magdecide unsa sakto para kaniya.

anyway, lahi na pud ta nga topic. kanang mas duol sa imong pagtuo na lng.

- do you believe that the quran doesn't have any contradictions? or in other words, is it infallible?
- do you believe that the quran and hadith doesn't have contradictions to each other?
- naa pa ka diay wa gitubag, will those muslims who only believe in the quran but disregard the hadith as blasphemy will go to hell?
- do you think that other people who have faith other than the muslim faith can be saved?
- what do you think about people who are out reach of civilized world that never heard about Allah or the muslim faith? will they be ever be saved if they die?

thanks.