Why Is God Always Innocent?

[dartzed]

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.. in that case, god is just toying with man.

.. KILL HIM .. NO WAIT, YOU PASSED THE TEST ...

i don't see it as toying..

[Existanz]

daghay atheist diri sa istorya nga tig-tambay S&O forum... murag kung mu-visit sila sa istorya kay diretso dayon sulod S&O... ngano kaha? hehe... tanawa gani na si tokidoki (haha pranka lng ko)... halos naa sa S&O tanan iya posts. haha
ganahan cguro sila sa feeling nga bright daw sila paminawon. hehe

Siguro ang uban nila but I think most of them just for the sheer joy of demolishing people's faith...faith which gives people their peace and makes their life meaningful, even if they only believe it and not giving enough reasons or evidences to convince the skeptics. Maybe they're just too shy to admit it that they really envy people who have faith and live life as a matter of fact more than they do...hehehe

You see, they are the one's who always insist about 'reasons' when the fact is this world according to them is meaningless...quite amazing.

But I think it's most likely that they enjoy this endless questioning simply as a way to assure themselves of their choice by constantly disproving (successfully at all times) people's faith...feeds their ego, since for them people who relies on faith are in crutch. It makes them feel better to let people know that they are outside from the 'herd'...and that herd is humanity. That they are Nietzsche's Übermensch...

[munzter666]

It's just a test of faith for Abraham. It will not become a test if it is known beforehand, and it should be as convincing as possible like any other test. Human are very much capable to err and to sin, the utmost type of test of faith should be imposed by GOD for a supposed trusted one like Abraham.

tell that to those who lost a loved one from the hands of a biblehugger who claims to be tested by his GOD.

People are capable of slitting a baby's throat if they are convinced they are following GOD's orders.

[Existanz]

so you admit that religion/faith in general is stupid and therefore irrational. that's good to know. i least expect this from a believer like yourself---to bluntly admit that his faith is STUPID.

I never imply that from a believer's perspective...I'm in your shoe when I type that.

technically, there is a huge difference. ask yourself this:

- is Santa Claus being venerated?
- do people worship Santa Claus and regard him as their SAVIOR?
- are people willing to give their life for Santa?
- do people actually go to Church to worship Santa?

it's kinda stupid to ask if Santa has his own freewill to give gifts or not. you're adding insult to injury by implying that people do actually believe this, and that they are a lot more stupid than you think for believing Santa has the freewill. are you guys really that stupid? i didn't think so.

I know you reply like this...but what I'm implying was that for any evidence what's the difference between the two?

atheists are more likely to get depressed? this is a common misconception to imply that believing in GOD does, in fact, bring meaning to their lives. thus, living an atheist life is a meaningless life, therefore, they are more likely to get depressed. please continue living in fantasy land brother.
no worries.

I could you give you 300 scientific studies that show religious/mystics people are less likely to get depressed than non-believers but...can you suggest one study that says 'non-believers' are less prone to being depressed- scientifically...

[munzter666]

^how about studies of people who resort to FAITH to address the problem, instead of anti-depressants. *spoiler alert: they make good suicide bombers.


why do you thinks faith talks works best to those who are BROKEN, hopeless, damaged and the likes?

coz its easy to pick sugar coated ones from the hard reality.

[chad_tukes]

i don't see it as toying..

you don't see the "almighty GOD" testing their faiths by having Abraham scare the crap out of his son by telling the kid he's about to die as toying. you don't see anything wrong with a kid having to endure such brutal psychological trauma as a result of an "almighty being" playing around the innocent little kid's head. because oh by the way, it was GOD's will and we never question it.

[chad_tukes]

I could you give you 300 scientific studies that show religious/mystics people are less likely to get depressed than non-believers but...can you suggest one study that says 'non-believers' are less prone to being depressed- scientifically...

uhm, ok. but that would already be off-topic.

[chad_tukes]

sent his son to be killed so that sins may be forgiven..if he's the authority on sins..nganong naa pman mamatay?..why is the sin of men only redeemable by the blood of the Son of God? (jesus christ) wla na bai laing paagi?..abi nko he doesn't want killing it says so in his commandments..then why send his son to die for his people?..im sure there were other ways to redeem the sins of his creations without ever having someone to die?..or bacn kai mu ressurect lang iya anak within 3 days?..

GOD already planned it. everything was staged. kung sa salida pa, naa nay script daan.

[Ramini]

But actually it was not GOD who impose the sufferings it was the devil himself,

of course it was the devil..the devil asked for a go signal from god to do evil things on job..so when he received the go signal the devil went on a rampage..in my opinion..God just used the devil for his own ends..the devil was just manipulated by god to do stuff he can't do..he'll do it if he could but he couldn't so he used the devil nlang..

GOD had so much faith on Job to overcome the Devil through Job's will. In the end Job did overcome the devil, upholding what should be righteous.

yes job did overcome the devil..pero in the first place god already knew that job will never give up on him..so okay ra na kuhaon sa ginoo ang tanan ni job pinaagi sa yawa..if maghimo kog analogy murag ingon ani: Magkita mo sa imong uyab sa ayala around 3pm....now kabaw jd ka na patay kaayo nmo imong uyab sa imoha...so para lang ma test nimo iyang gugma para nimo..wla ka nitunga sa ayala pag 3pm pero niabot kag 8pm hinoon pero naa ghapon imong uyab didto until that time..pero namuti nang mata sa paghinuwat nmo..but still she was able to wait for you until that time..now going back to job...wla man koi makita na rason kng nganong gsugtan sa ginoo na buhaton to sa yawa..job..in the first place never did anything maskn once to displease god..unlike uban dinha na tagaan lang gani ug grasya sa ginoo wan-a malimot na dayon..so in my opinion it's unfair for job pd to be treated that way..even if nisugot pa si job na ipakuha tanan..his consent can't justify why god allowed misfortune to befall on hapless job...we shouldn't be taking advantage of anyone na nagmahal natog maayo just for the sake of proving it to someone else na grabe ilang devotion nato..sa akoa gani tan-aw maypa nipili nlang sila(god and devil) ug usa ka tao na medyo dli religious ug dli pd maldito..just to even things up for the devil..kai in the first place ang devil rai gbuang sa ginoo..

GOD had so much faith on Job

god doesn't need to have faith on someone...he already knows that job will never let him down or denounce him..he's supposed to be all powerful and all knowing so faith is out of the question..im sure if there's really a god out there he'll forgive everyone..coming from an extremely christian school i remembered this line from the book of samuel i think or somewhere in the bible..it said: "...love is patient...love doesn't keep a record of wrongs..." god is love man kaha dba..so im sure ma quits rana tanan..

[treize]

.. in that case, god is just toying with man.

.. KILL HIM .. NO WAIT, YOU PASSED THE TEST ...

if you own a company and you wanted to test your employees loyalty is it called toying?