Second Look on Islam

[NASYO]

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If this is then this is my answer to you sir. W/c is wise, to fight to the point of killing your enemy or be wiped out by your enemy? w/c do you think is more DECENT?

this is a question, not an answer


there is no such thing like "Killing in the name of ....."


We must listen and understand what "Imagine" of John Lennon spreads.


Killing, no place in my heart. Not an option. Immoral. terrorism. Extremist. never.

"Kung batu-on ka ug bato, labaya pagbalik ug pan.."

[Malic]

i started my questions in an informative manner and respectable one. so i expect such from you too. fair enough, dba? mag ingon gani ka nga 'pataka', etc. insulting na bai kay you haven't heard my references and explanation and either way, you would like the conversation more confrontational which i think di jud ka ganahan.

we only want here some good intellectual and information discussion. in which everyone can learn and understand more about faith (with this thread the islam faith). i think you want that to happen, dba?

about the torah, do you suggest that all its content is corrupted? if it is partly, then what is in the current torah that is not corrupted? does the quran talks about an uncorrupted torah teaching? if there is, can you enumerate them?

about the psalms, i was telling you that some muslims believe that the current version is not corrupted. as i observe in your answer, murag di ka gatuo. do you know why other muslims believe that the current psalms version in the bible is not corrupted?

so you dont believe that not all bible scholars are believers, tama ba? then you are wrong to assume. (though some might have been believers before). here's the proof: Dr. Bart D. Ehrman check his lectures: YouTube - Misquoting Jesus, Stanford Lecture, How Bible Tainted 1/10

Sir kung nagbuhat ka ug somethjing nga dili sakto unsa may tawag ana? di ba nag pataka na. So ayaw kasuko kung ingnan tika nga nagpataka ka.

Sir you can be confrontational all you want thats unavoidable sa mga debates basta wala lang mockery. di na ta bata sir nga mag pa cute cute.



Sir mao gihapon ang tubag nako, ang bible is corrupted. Even bible scholars will agree.

kung mangutana ka kung asa ang dili corrupted ug asa ang corrupted would that mean that you are acknowledging that the bible is not one book? If a book have been found to be corrupted everything in that book is questionable. To say w/c part is corrupt and not, holds no grip already because it is being infected with a diease. Everything is questionable.

I know that the bible is made up of different books and letters BUT EARLY CHRISTIANS by the order of a pagan emperor who killed his relatives after his conversion to christianity compiled it as one book. Mao ng ang bible karun is already considered as ONE book.

dont aks me w/c one is not corrupt and w/c one is not because in the first place you have not proven to me w/c part is the original and w/c part is not. If you can do that then maybe i can point out to you w/c one is corrupt and w/c one is not. But then again the bible is one book. One forge or omssions can take away the book's credibility.


to ask w/c one is not corrupt and corrupt would mean that there are still parts that are reliable. But to me everything in that book is questionable.

If other muslims believe that some parts are not corrupt well ila na sir, i follow a different scholar.


Sir I believe that some bible scholars are worth listening too. its not a question if they are a believer or not. I have gone through christian apologetics site and read the works of other fine sholars who are giving an honest evaluation of the manuscripts and to me between the people who expose the forgery made during erasmus time and the people who tires to conceal it , i rather believe the former.


and my assumption is correct.

[Malic]

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Yes, the discussion of Islam is no joking matter to our Muslim brothers. They give Islam and Allah the utmost respect and so must we.

correct! thnak you for reminding us.

[Malic]

this is a question, not an answer


there is no such thing like "Killing in the name of ....."


We must listen and understand what "Imagine" of John Lennon spreads.


Killing, no place in my heart. Not an option. Immoral. terrorism. Extremist. never.

"Kung batu-on ka ug bato, labaya pagbalik ug pan.."

Ganahan jud kang John Lennon no?


wala na lang unta ka ni quote anang bato ug pan sir kay ang Ginoo pod anang libroha nag allow man pod ug killing in the name of...

[NASYO]

to malic

bible = words of God made by men? interpreted by men? corrupted by men?

quran = words/wisdom of allah made by men? interpreted by men? corrupted?

asking with respect.

[r3roble]

Ganahan jud kang John Lennon no?


wala na lang unta ka ni quote anang bato ug pan sir kay ang Ginoo pod anang libroha nag allow man pod ug killing in the name of...

in my little understanding, ni-allow sya and you can read it in the old testament..

maybe you can share to me if ni-allow gihapon sya in the new testament or after Jesus was born..

[NASYO]

Ganahan jud kang John Lennon no?

yes, as an artist.

ang kanta man gud sir, nindot kaayo ang mensahi.

ganahan sad ko ug Asin na banda.

daghan man mga kanta nga nindot sir.

maayo unta makat-on ang mga tawo.

kung ato jud subayon, managsu-on ug kadugo ta tanan.

[NASYO]

to agree with the scholars sir malic.

read the bible first.

from old testament to new.

see the differences in the time of Jesus.

Jesus died, not Jesus killed..

by the way, I don't care whatever relligion we have.

I only care for Love and Peace.

[Malic]

to malic

bible = words of God made by men? interpreted by men? corrupted by men?

quran = words/wisdom of allah made by men? interpreted by men? corrupted?

asking with respect.

not made by men, but wirtten by men ang Quran sir. bisan ang original bible was inspired by God not by men.

[NASYO]

not made by men, but wirtten by men ang Quran sir. bisan ang original bible was inspired by God not by men.

if both are written by men, inspired by God,

written by men man kaha, naa possibilties na sayop?

corrupted?

pasabta tawn mi.

if bible is corrupted kay edited na, sumala nimo basi sa mga scholars.

possible ba nga kanang basis of faith nimo ron sayop kay binuhat lang sad sa tawo.

aw, sorry, sinulat sa tawo.

murag nanginahanglan jud tali ug lapad na intrada ang pulong na respeto bro.

maayo pay maminaw na lang ta ug "Imagine"

dili ni binuang ako-a.

just promoting for world peace.