Kinsa jud imo gituohan kung diin jud tah gikan, ang Bible or Science?

[Xian120]

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curious lang ko bai, how do you suggest children are to be taught about God without talking about His adversary?
how are we to tell children God's love without talking about Sin and His sacrifice for our sins?

i think that's a question one should answer if he is to teach his child about God bay noy, and that excludes me, so it's best answered by you i think..

well if you see the concept of hell that way, murag wa jud koy mabuhat ana..hehehe
God's unconditional Love is best understood in repentance and surrendering to God..
unfortunately, with Atheism it's close to impossible in sharing with that understanding
'cause as an Atheist, you don't believe in those things...(you always have the option to experiment by the way, by what you said, you're currently suspending your conclusions, so it's not too late to try the things unknown to you...hehehehe)

for all you know we believe in those kind of things also, only in a different kind of view..

anyways, if i may, i don't see Hell as essential to a man's moral growth...otherwise
i'd just be following God's law in fear of Hell. i do not fear Hell as much as i do not fear prison and penalties for not adhering Laws of the Land
i try to follow God and believe He created us not because i fear He might throw me to Hell if i won't but because i believe in Him and i am thankful for He has done. the least i could do is to honor His words and commandments..
Hell is just the result of choosing the other way around..(cause and effect)
in the same way prison,life sentence and other penalties for not abiding by the Land Laws are given to the violators...

mercy and pardon is even given in earthly Prison, how much more with God?
(like i said earlier, the unconditional Love of God is best demonstrated in repentance).

for us who believes in Hell..it is the reality of a soul's final destination, just as real as Prison and penalties for not abiding Laws of the Land.

whatever maybe said about God's unconditional love, you can take it into a pedestal and give it so much meaning, but it will never erase the diabolical idea that is hell, the eventual resting (i seriously doubt it) place for unrepentant sinners and atheists like me (so the Vatican says).. a Prison cell is a place you have the chance of getting out of, now hell is like a prison only it's on fire and you are inside a burning furnace which you cannot get out, now multiply that by infinity.. that's the reality that is being instilled in a child's fragile mind..

of course! options are good and very important too..as elders of the next generation...we too play some part in their decision making...
in my experience, i've never had that option i think, i grew up with the idea that God is distant and the church is corrupt..plus i've seen some acts that supports the idea as well...
if i hadn't known about Hell when i was a kid...i might have completely abandoned God and maintained hatred towards the church..
and would have grown bitter towards religious people...
well at least for me, that thought about hell...led me to be at least a little more careful with the absolutes...it led me to question more...to try to understand things about God and His Love...honest bai..i too share the same contradictory view between God's love and Hell...
again,i only came to understand a bit more...when i repented....
so now i still believe in Hell but i do not fear it anymore and most of all...i do not try to follow God in fear of it.

in the same way that i thought everytime my dad disciplines or even punishes me is a contradiction to his love for me..
and that i only realized how much my dad loves me when he took me back and forgave me from all my shortcomings..

i remember the time where you said that you strayed away from the church, and that you did some pretty stupid things in your youth, have my memory served me right bay noy?

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By Xian120
isn't it a naive thing to say with certainty that you know the ultimate truth?

the ultimate truth is yet to be revealed to us, so as of the moment im suspending my judgement

Are you sure that what I've asserted is really uncertain,
what is your basis, because you cannot see it, how limited is that
sense, you cannot even see me in person, but here I am existing.

Of course we could not judge things if we only rely
on the limited senses of ours.

[slabdans]

sauna lagi wala pa si Jesus naa na man lagi pag tuo gihapon? sugot mo balikan nato to? permi na lang tag gira? patay para sa atong hari?

[noy]

i think that's a question one should answer if he is to teach his child about God bay noy, and that excludes me, so it's best answered by you i think..

i haven't figured that out yet..Lol

whatever maybe said about God's unconditional love, you can take it into a pedestal and give it so much meaning, but it will never erase the diabolical idea that is hell, the eventual resting (i seriously doubt it) place for unrepentant sinners and atheists like me (so the Vatican says)..

Yes at one point of view, even God is considered to be Evil by people who hates Him..but still it's just a point of view...
the probability of you being right is just about the same percentage that you are wrong..

well if we are to black and white about Salvation as others do. then Atheists would probably end up in Hell...
that's why the Church proclaims Salvation as a complete Mystery because it is beyond the grasp of Human Understanding...
say when an atheist die and God meets him...what do you think that Atheist would do?
my take is that Atheist would repent...now since He repented, will that person be forgiven? i personally say he would...
but would he go to Hell? i believe the answer is No..because He repented...would that person go directly to Heaven?
i wouldn't say directly...that's where purgatory comes in...the cleansing in the after life...
now in the event that a God Hater dies...and God meets with Him then He would still reject God...
obviously we know where that soul would go...
Atheists and God Haters are two different people. i think we can both agree on that.
question really is, do we really have to die to know God is there and to repent? (cause and effect)
would we rather conclude that He does not exist? then find out that He does to repent and endure a great deal of cleansing?
(see the Bible verse about heavy and light beatings)

a Prison cell is a place you have the chance of getting out of, now hell is like a prison only it's on fire and you are inside a burning furnace which you cannot get out, now multiply that by infinity.. that's the reality that is being instilled in a child's fragile mind..

that's why i agreed that the fullness of how we understand Hell should be preached to kids in the age of reason.
by the way, Hell can be avoided. (cause and effect still)

i remember the time where you said that you strayed away from the church, and that you did some pretty stupid things in your youth, have my memory served me right bay noy?

Yep i strayed away from any connections with the Church 'cause i thought that most if not all religious are posers and fakers...so i figured, i gotta stay away from them folks...that was also the idea that my parents brought me up with...
just pray to God and that's enough...and that if hears us then good...as if He is a universe away..
of course i was wrong. haha

and yeah, i did some stuff too...and yes, they were pretty stupid..i'm even suffering from their effects(cause and effect)
at least i learned my lesson..

[NNNN]

Nganu mag.away man basta religion hisgutan?

Deep na kaayo og mga interpretations sa comments diri. I can't swim. Haha.

Abi nako religion makes the person good. Magpalabwanay man nuon kung unsa ang sakto.

Abi nako religion promotes love. Mao naman nuon ang cause sa away. Hahaha..

[AntitaniC]

Nganu mag.away man basta religion hisgutan?

Deep na kaayo og mga interpretations sa comments diri. I can't swim. Haha.

Abi nako religion makes the person good. Magpalabwanay man nuon kung unsa ang sakto.

Abi nako religion promotes love. Mao naman nuon ang cause sa away. Hahaha..

Debate is fun and exercises the brain.... kung dili lang hitting below the belt imong contra ok raman debate sa forums...

mas grabeh pa gani boxing and MMA kaisa ingon ani....

[SioDenz]

The issue here is not about ATHEISM, the issue that im trying to raise is kong unsay laing option nga itudlo sa mga bata,. just because ing-ani ang among pagtuo that dont mean nga walay bili ang among gipang istorya diri. kong ganahan ka makig istoyra, istorya about nganong OK ra itudlo ang impyerno sa mga bata, ayaw cge istorya about sa akong gituohan,. ad hominems is a desperation mode tactic.. at least say something that's a bit more humane,.

Nganu wa may Labot ang Athiesm nga mao man nay Belief nimu. unsay diay nang Atheism para nimu atik atik lang, selective lang? So if lain nga Topic di natu pwedi i based ang imung Belief nga way DIOS?

Asking about If ok ba itudlo sa bata ang impyerno? - In the view of Atheism which is walay DIOS - it does Not Matter and its Neither Good nor Bad - because for Atheism WHAT IS BAD OR GOOD IS BASED ON WHAT I THINK. IF I am an AThiest nya akong tudloan akong Anak nga naay Impyerno nya Mudako siyang Maayu tungod ana, JUSTIFIED na. If Akong tudloan nga Way Impyerno nya Mudako ghapon siyang MAayu, Justified ghapon na.

In theist point of View, itudlo man jud na kay naa man jud nay Impyerno, naa man na sa Bibliya. if Unsay paagi sa pagtudlo, aws depende nah na sa nagtudlo if unsay iyang nasabtan sa Bibliya. But we should Not specify a religion para himuon natung basehan kay we are suppose to discuss about Belief not the people who followed it.

You see, your Belief does Not reflect what you really are and what you really meant, Kita kaayu sa imung mga Post. Meaning you are Not consistent. How can we take you seriously if ing ana ka? You believed that theres No God nya imu i question ang teachings sa Simbahan, for what? to justify that there is No God? or to prove nga anti- religion ka. Be consistent bro if gusto jud ka mapadangat ug tarung nang imung Pagtuo.

[SioDenz]

There are better options, it's only that ang mga tawo used na kyo sa idea nga himuong disciplinary tool ang concept of heaven and hell, that's why kasagaran dili mka imagine ug laing pamaagi or nagtuo jud nga walay laing paagi kundi kana ra.. i believe it's time to shift our paradigms.. parihas sauna, spare the rod spoil the child jud ilang mentality kay mao man ang mga naandan sa mga tawo, they cant imagine discipline without spanking or some kind of corporal punishment, but now nakita na sa mga tawo nga there are in fact better humane options, we can in fact spare the rod..

SO question, kana imung gisulti nga Better Humane Options, Did it Made the people Better?
Duna kaha kay maipakita nga Data nga tungod ana imung Better Humane Options, Ni Improve or nahimu Tarung ang kinatibuk-an nga Batasan sa mga batan-on karun? Kay if you ask Me, sa akong nakita, nagka walay Batasan man ang mga Bag on tubo nuon kumpara sa una...basin naa kay data dha nga wa mi kahibalo o wa namu nakita

In the aspect of persons character, Is the world today Better compare to the world of the Old where children punished by rods?

[atty.abogago]

Bible tungod kay mutuo qg Ginoo. ana lng ka simple.

[tchrisryan]

Way science maka explain kung unsa ang life, or diin ni gikan. Ang ginoo nagbuhat sa tanan. BIBLE.