Abolition of Fraternities and Sororities.

[thadzonline]

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I think there exists no thin line here. Hazing has already been defined by law as a form or one form of acceptance (in an initiation rite) by an organized group or military. Military training seeks to accomplish with a clear and very specific purpose that is to hone SKILLS in combat or survival. And yes, it's correct to say the reason why hazing (as commonly practiced here and elsewhere) has been outlawed is because it does not respect at all the life and dignity of a neophyte.

I beg to disagree sir, the thin line between hazing and training can be evident when those used for training are done in excess

[botslob]

Thin line? laom naman ni inyong gihisgutan oyz.

[brownprose]

I beg to disagree sir, the thin line between hazing and training can be evident when those used for training are done in excess

The reason I said there was no thin line because - they are basically disparate terms or totally different from each other in form and substance. So Hazing and Training defined whether in latitude or strict standards can not be taken in close relationship/association as "related" terms.

Hazing is not a training. The summation either by law or ordinary parlance, hazing is part of acceptance or initiation rite to a group or organization. Thus a requisite to membership.

Military training presupposes that a cadet has already been accepted and therefore qualified to undergo training. Military training comes AFTER acceptance not BEFORE acceptance. That's why hazing and training is not the same and there exist no thin line between them. Also, military training is a form of skill enhancement (say use of weapons or defense tools) or physical immersion to simulate combat or survival. While hazing is a physical (usually violent) rudiment necessary as a part of a tradition of acceptance by a group or organization such as frats or sors.

What I do agree is that anything excess...hazing, training, drinking, eating have serious repercussions later.

[brownprose]

@ Thadz, sensya na ha. I was just confused with your use of "thin line" as an idiom. I am no English expert but it seems like your and my "thin line" are different. My orientation of the use of thin line as an idiom usually is about two related terms where it is is difficult to distinguish between them -- examples of which is when we say "there is a thin line between pyramiding and multilevel marketing." That's why I had to make a clear distinction between hazing and training that there's no thin line between them because both terms are somehow unrelated or different.

[nemo_11]

diba naa manay mga rules jud about sa hazing nganu man dili mana sundun nila ako lage sa mo falow manjud me

[thadzonline]

The reason I said there was no thin line because - they are basically disparate terms or totally different from each other in form and substance. So Hazing and Training defined whether in latitude or strict standards can not be taken in close relationship/association as "related" terms.

Hazing is not a training. The summation either by law or ordinary parlance, hazing is part of acceptance or initiation rite to a group or organization. Thus a requisite to membership.

Military training presupposes that a cadet has already been accepted and therefore qualified to undergo training. Military training comes AFTER acceptance not BEFORE acceptance. That's why hazing and training is not the same and there exist no thin line between them. Also, military training is a form of skill enhancement (say use of weapons or defense tools) or physical immersion to simulate combat or survival. While hazing is a physical (usually violent) rudiment necessary as a part of a tradition of acceptance by a group or organization such as frats or sors.

What I do agree is that anything excess...hazing, training, drinking, eating have serious repercussions later.

you have a point in a broader scope, and i guess it is in the definition of thin line that we dont agree. because excessive training methods can be considered hazing, which by the way can not only be used as a prerequisite to membership, but even in advancing and promotion in an organization. Hazing in the military context does not happen only to neophytes.

But these, Im sure we agree: while in training, some line should be drawn with what is excessive and not, physical violence for violence sake and tradition's sake is definitely not good

[nemo_11]

sure do oi............ikaw gara cguro ka sa........................

ikaw gamay utok part noh...?heheheee liwat sa imung i-toy

[pointman]

"MAS MAAU I BAN" ang fraternity kay ga dugang lang na og labad sa ulo sa atong kinabuhi nya dili pa gyd ta madato ana dili pa gyd ta ma bright sa atong pag tuon kung naa na. Mau na sila ipang lawg sa mga terrorista aron silay praktisan og lunggo anan ug le-og unya e post daun sa ogrish.com...

[borgy1981]

"MAS MAAU I BAN" ang fraternity kay ga dugang lang na og labad sa ulo sa atong kinabuhi nya dili pa gyd ta madato ana dili pa gyd ta ma bright sa atong pag tuon kung naa na. Mau na sila ipang lawg sa mga terrorista aron silay praktisan og lunggo anan ug le-og unya e post daun sa ogrish.com...

kung naa kay relative or any person that u know, do u want that to happen to them? I don't think so!

[nemo_11]

kana nga isyu ....murag dili judna mahuman hantod sa handtud jud ambot lang mura nag AIDS nga wala jud kaayuhan bahala nana sila oi basta dili lang sila cge ug gara2x ....mga haBug gud mao kulata labas ug patay
mga frat.men cge pamu diha ug patay mga isug man kaha mo ipakita na ninyo aber....tan-awun nato asa mo kutob
ipakita inyo ka isug part i add. thiz to all "FRATMEN" out there