Online Signature Campaign(abolish pork barrel of any name/form)

[Nefarian]

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The fact that this circus is run by people who marches and waves red and yellow flag just made me realize how dumb some people can actually get.

The fact that Marcos was removed from power, people where so emotionally embattled that they enthroned a housewife who in the 1st place acknowledges no idea running the country. Because of that emotional outcry of freedom from Marcos, the basic thought of taking another person to run the government who is way credible was forgotten. How well the government turned into after that? Pretty much.... ahhhm let others say the story I don't want to... @crossramz care to share master?

There's nothing we can do in the past aside from learning from it. Based on your previous statements you prefer politicians to handle our money(through PDAF) instead of lawmaking. I will quote you a part in our Constitution and refute me that our politicians have the right to handle our money.

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Philippine Constitution : Legislative

Section 14. No Senator or Member of the House of Representatives may personally appear as counsel before any court of justice or before the Electoral Tribunals, or quasi-judicial and other administrative bodies. Neither shall he, directly or indirectly, be interested financially in any contract with, or in any franchise or special privilege granted by the Government, or any subdivision, agency, or instrumentality thereof, including any government-owned or controlled corporation, or its subsidiary, during his term of office. He shall not intervene in any matter before any office of the Government for his pecuniary benefit or where he may be called upon to act on account of his office.

Congressman is NOT a Congress. The decision to implement or recommend a project should be done by the Congress and not to a Congressman. When a Congressman recommends a project and got it, clearly he violated article 4 : section 14 of the 1987 Philippine Constitution.

What happens now is: After the budget is approved, Congressmen will start to recommend(insertion) projects which is again another violation of the Constitution.The budget deliberations is finished how come the Congressman inserts his projects after the budget is approved?

[Nefarian]

Ang PDAF wala kay makita unsa mga projects ang maapil ana since lump-sum siya. After ma approved ang budget then what?

Iya2x na ug recommend ang mga Congressman ug Ghost projects.

In practice dapat jud unta ang PDAF i line-item na siya pasabot nganlan daan unsa ng mga projects sa Congressman before ma approved ang budget aron WALA nay insertions. Through insertions diha maka wawart ang Congressman.

Ug usa sad unsaon pag veto sa Presidente nga dili siya kaoyon sa project sa Congressman nga wala mana nakabutang sa lista sa PDAF? So ang resulta AUTOMATIC makuha sa Congressman ang PDAF.

[elvandesantos]

There's nothing we can do in the past aside from learning from it. Based on your previous statements you prefer politicians to handle our money(through PDAF) instead of lawmaking. I will quote you a part in our Constitution and refute me that our politicians have the right to handle our money.

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Philippine Constitution : Legislative

Section 14. No Senator or Member of the House of Representatives may personally appear as counsel before any court of justice or before the Electoral Tribunals, or quasi-judicial and other administrative bodies. Neither shall he, directly or indirectly, be interested financially in any contract with, or in any franchise or special privilege granted by the Government, or any subdivision, agency, or instrumentality thereof, including any government-owned or controlled corporation, or its subsidiary, during his term of office. He shall not intervene in any matter before any office of the Government for his pecuniary benefit or where he may be called upon to act on account of his office.

Congressman is NOT a Congress. The decision to implement or recommend a project should be done by the Congress and not to a Congressman. When a Congressman recommends a project and got it, clearly he violated article 4 : section 14 of the 1987 Philippine Constitution.

What happens now is: After the budget is approved, Congressmen will start to recommend(insertion) projects which is again anoher violation of the Constitution.The budget deliberations is finished how come the Congressman inserts his projects after the budget is approved?

Now I miss schooling , too bad my room is dark and don't have much time reading more about it. But yeah I read it, but I can tell you this "The act of providing congressional allocations like the CDF and the PDAF is an exercise in the appropriation of public funds"

In general I can say this one, PDAF is used to create project for congress-areas of stake. Small or Big projects that he has observance with can easily be funded thru PDAF... natio-government to hold all small and big projects? HELLO MEGA MANILA! hello countryside provinces. Imperialist manila surely gets advantage. I'll get you a story about LRT budget, but maybe sooner since I need to shut me eyes off.

[ghostie2472]

Let's wait for the proposal and decide from there. There are a lot of questionable funds under the President's SPF. If you are talking about the Calamity and Contingent Funds then I assume it will be part of the exception.

Why don't we wait for the proposal and start (signature campaign or whatever) from there? If there is nothing to sign, kay wala pa lagi proposal, just for the sake of knowing how many people will sign the darn thing, useless ra gihapon. Most of the people are hilariously uninformed about this matter. All they know is that a huge amount of PDAF money is with Napoles and protesters shouting for the abolishment of the PDAF pero lagi kaning mga pinoy nga kusog kaayo mo go with the flow, kung naay rally mo apil, kung naay signature campaign mo pirma ra sad.

[ghostie2472]

That is why there are on going drafts,plans,proposed alternatives na gipangbuhat after ma abolish ang pork. It takes time and a lot of experts.

But we have to start from somewhere and I am thankful that someone takes the first step. Spontaneous combustion once ang draft ma finalize and made known to the public.

Yes, it takes time and a lot of experts. Then why not only invite the "experts" to make the draft instead of gathering thousands of people just to make them listen to these people on the stage on what they think should happen.

[Nefarian]

Yes, it takes time and a lot of experts. Then why not only invite the "experts" to make the draft instead of gathering thousands of people just to make them listen to these people on the stage on what they think should happen.

Representatives of various organization(all over Philippines) from business, educational, religious, and other sectors will have a national summit this November 9 to propose or draft a law that will abolish "pork" of any form once and for all. It doesn't mean thousands will gather in this gathering but only representatives.

Once a draft or proposal is agreed upon, these representatives will relay the draft to their respective constituents. There will be mass education about pork and other issues relating to lump-sums. The proposal will be discussed and explained in detail so the people will be well-informed before signing the proposal.

That's why it takes time. There are I think around 200+ districts which need to be informed and educated. This is not a rubber band where we can take it back, that's why it needs careful planning and coordination between sectors involved.

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Why don't we wait for the proposal and start (signature campaign or whatever) from there? If there is nothing to sign, kay wala pa lagi proposal, just for the sake of knowing how many people will sign the darn thing, useless ra gihapon. Most of the people are hilariously uninformed about this matter. All they know is that a huge amount of PDAF money is with Napoles and protesters shouting for the abolishment of the PDAF pero lagi kaning mga pinoy nga kusog kaayo mo go with the flow, kung naay rally mo apil, kung naay signature campaign mo pirma ra sad.

That is why there is a plan of mass education and printouts that will be distributed to the people. Instead of being so pessimistic why not be on the solution side and help instead? If you feel you have the knowledge then do your part and share your knowledge. What we need now is positive attitude kay in the end kita ra gihapon affected ani.

[ghostie2472]

Representatives of various organization(all over Philippines) from business, educational, religious, and other sectors will have a national summit this November 9 to propose or draft a law that will abolish "pork" of any form once and for all. It doesn't mean thousands will gather in this gathering but only representatives.


Once a draft or proposal is agreed upon, these representatives will relay the draft to their respective constituents. There will be mass education about pork and other issues relating to lump-sums. The proposal will be discussed and explained in detail so the people will be well-informed before signing the proposal.


That's why it takes time. There are I think around 200+ districts which need to be informed and educated. This is not a rubber band where we can take it back, that's why it needs careful planning and coordination between sectors involved.


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That is why there is a plan of mass education and printouts that will be distributed to the people. Instead of being so pessimistic why not be on the solution side and help instead? If you feel you have the knowledge then do your part and share your knowledge. What we need now is positive attitude kay in the end kita ra gihapon affected ani.

Pessimistic? No, I'm being realistic. Mass education and print outs? Of what? You really think you're not being manipulated? Maybe it's time for you to wake up. There is no need to abolish the PDAF, it's only change what governs it.

[crossramz]

Representatives of various organization(all over Philippines) from business, educational, religious, and other sectors will have a national summit this November 9 to propose or draft a law that will abolish "pork" of any form once and for all. It doesn't mean thousands will gather in this gathering but only representatives.

Once a draft or proposal is agreed upon, these representatives will relay the draft to their respective constituents. There will be mass education about pork and other issues relating to lump-sums. The proposal will be discussed and explained in detail so the people will be well-informed before signing the proposal.

That's why it takes time. There are I think around 200+ districts which need to be informed and educated. This is not a rubber band where we can take it back, that's why it needs careful planning and coordination between sectors involved.

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That is why there is a plan of mass education and printouts that will be distributed to the people. Instead of being so pessimistic why not be on the solution side and help instead? If you feel you have the knowledge then do your part and share your knowledge. What we need now is positive attitude kay in the end kita ra gihapon affected ani.

AFAIK constitutional correction would do best instead of charter change. So instead of drafting laws why not refined the current one. PDAF had been made for the use of the people, now we see it being abused so abolishing it is not the proper way to do but instead of looking out to the people who controls it to prevent it to be used for personal affairs.

[Nefarian]

Pessimistic? No, I'm being realistic. Mass education and print outs? Of what? You really think you're not being manipulated? Maybe it's time for you to wake up. There is no need to abolish the PDAF, it's only change what governs it.

Yes democracy. We are entitled to our own opinion. If that's what you think then good riddance.

[elvandesantos]

Ang PDAF wala kay makita unsa mga projects ang maapil ana since lump-sum siya. After ma approved ang budget then what?

Iya2x na ug recommend ang mga Congressman ug Ghost projects.

In practice dapat jud unta ang PDAF i line-item na siya pasabot nganlan daan unsa ng mga projects sa Congressman before ma approved ang budget aron WALA nay insertions. Through insertions diha maka wawart ang Congressman.

Ug usa sad unsaon pag veto sa Presidente nga dili siya kaoyon sa project sa Congressman nga wala mana nakabutang sa lista sa PDAF? So ang resulta AUTOMATIC makuha sa Congressman ang PDAF.

Ang projects bai kay usually nka focus sah big infrastructures, walay panahon ang presidente mo subay or nasweto sah problema sah usa ka lokalidad kay wala nah sya didto... kinsa ang mas nasweto sa problema sah mga localidad? ang mga congressman who itself is the representative of certain population/people. Now, karon nahan i-veto sah president... I'm sure kun asa ang duol sah iya heart mao ragyud nah ang matagad, unfair samot kaau... mega manila will become more MEGA if ang natio-government ang mag handle even sah mga small projects...

Health? DOH is natio-gov pero limited rah ila budget pud mao nang ang PDAF sah congressmen pwede i-allocate ana.

Structures? DPWH, seriously they have a bigger problems of their own.. how much more if added the entire problems down to sito level.

Housing? NHA, a natio-gov still has bigger problems of their own.. and so on.

While the government is focus mostly on bigger cities or projects, Congressmens PDAF can be funneled to small projects like brgy drainage etc kay usually ang DSWD dili nah mo handle dra kay nka prioritize sila sah mga dagko nga projects. Kun naa man gani nangurakot, I agree dapat silotan.. pero d man sad tanan ana dautan ang nahimo naa man igo sad gyud nabuhat sakto.. only your judgement is clearly clouded by one thing. Why don't you look at the bigger picture, gamay rah kaau nang imong panglantaw.

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That is why there is a plan of mass education and printouts that will be distributed to the people. Instead of being so pessimistic why not be on the solution side and help instead? If you feel you have the knowledge then do your part and share your knowledge. What we need now is positive attitude kay in the end kita ra gihapon affected ani.

way sounded like a communist propagandist style to me.