China conducts first landing on aircraft carrier!

[ghostie2472]

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Covered ba sa 1 month warranty ang mga aircraft nga mo land sa ilang carrier in case ma crash?

[marcopolo]

ila cguro ni i-reproduce ang Varyag

Ang kuyaw bro ang Varyag mahimung "Varyagra"


Anyways I found some very interesting articles from the net which talks about China's military capability. (MODS please transfer/merge lang if naa nay nka post ani. Ty)

China Eats Its Mistakes

November 17, 2012: Chinese efforts to claim all of the South China Sea and then keep all foreign naval forces out have usually been explained in economic terms. There are a lot of valuable fishing grounds in that area, not to mention oil and gas deposits under the sea bed. But another benefit is to provide secure patrol areas for its noisy (and thus easy for nearby anti-submarine forces to detect) SSBNs (nuclear powered ballistic missile carrying subs). While it is 13,000 kilometers from the South China Sea to Washington, DC and the longest range of SLBMs (submarine launched ballistic missiles) is 11,000 kilometers (for the American Trident missile), a longer range SLBM could be built. That would be easier than mastering the much more complex technology of making SSBNs quiet enough to avoid detection by American subs and aircraft. While this sounds like a desperate solution, China does not have too many other good options.

In the last year several Chinese JL (Julang) 2 SLBM (Sea Launched Ballistic Missile) were test fired. The results were not encouraging. The 42 ton JL-2 has a range of 8,000 kilometers and would enable China to aim missiles at any target in the United States from a 94 class SSBN cruising off Hawaii or Alaska. Each 94 boat can carry twelve of these missiles, which are naval versions of the existing land based 42 ton DF-31 ICBM. China has had a lot of problems with the JL-2, which was supposed to have entered service four years ago but kept failing test launches.

In part because of the lack of a reliable SLBM, no Chinese SSBN has ever gone on a combat cruise. But the subs have been very unreliable as well. China has so far produced two generations of SSBNs. In the early 1980s, the Type 92 was launched but had a lot of problems and never made a patrol. It only went out for training in Chinese coastal waters. Only one was built. In the last decade the Type 94 showed up. This was believed, in the West, to be the Chinese SSBN that would go on patrol but that never happened. Turns out that the Type 94 also had lots of technical problems.

This sad saga began with the Type 93 class SSN (nuclear powered attack sub), which looks a lot like the three decade old Russian Victor III class SSN design. The first Type 93 entered service in 2006. The Type 93 was the basis for the Type 94 SSBN, which looks like a Victor III with a missile compartment added. Taking a SSN design and adding extra compartments to hold the ballistic missiles is an old trick, pioneered by the United States in the 1950s to produce the first ever SSBNs. The Chinese appear to have done the same thing with their new Type 93 SSN, creating a larger Type 94 SSBN boat of 9,000 tons displacement. Priority was apparently given to construction of the Type 94, as having nuclear missiles able to reach the United States gives China more diplomatic clout than some new SSNs. The first 94 entered service three years ago. But it has still not gone to sea equipped with nuclear missiles.

Having already sent the first two new, 7,000 ton 93 class SSNs to sea, China was apparently underwhelmed by their performance. Not much more is expected from the 94s. The 93s were too noisy and had a long list of more minor defects as well. It's unclear how many 93s will be built, probably no more than 3-6. More resources are apparently being diverted to the next SSN class - the 95, and the next SSBN, the Type 96.

The Type 93 and Type 94 were both over a decade in development and construction. Work began on the 94 class in the 1990s. For years all that was known was that the Chinese were having technical problems with the new design. The 94 is a modern SSBN, using technology bought from Russia, plus what was developed by the Chinese in their earlier nuclear submarine building efforts. While the Chinese have had a hard time building reliable and quiet nuclear subs, they are determined to acquire the needed skills. You do that by doing it and eating your mistakes. U.S. intelligence experts believe that China is now concentrating on the design of the new Type 96s. China has made progress in developing more reliable land-based ICBMs which means they have the technology to build similar SLBMs.


Even ang US dli gyud mu kumpyansa sa pagka copycat sa China.

[cobraKing]

praktis makes perfect...but made in china kay kaisa ra magamit..lolz..

[lhorenzoo]

no need to be too complacent in exchanging or selling valuable engineering techniques to china kay copyahon nya .

[marcopolo]

CHINA: It Is Time

November 20, 2012: Xi Jinping, the newly selected (by the Communist Party elders) leader of China for the next ten years is different from his predecessors. He is the first of the “heirs” to take power. That’s because he is the 59 year old son of one of the communist originals, a general who fought the Japanese and other Chinese factions to put the communists in power after World War II. Xi Jinping is thus a princeling, a member of the new hereditary aristocracy (children of the original communist leadership) that has replaced the ancient feudal aristocracy that was overthrown a century ago. Democracy was supposed to have replaced the Manchu dynasty, but instead there was decades of civil war followed by communist dictatorship and now a new hereditary, unelected, aristocracy. Xi Jinping is also a nationalist and, not surprisingly, a big fan of the Chinese military. This could mean big trouble. The Chinese military has traditionally been corrupt, impressive looking, and ineffective after long periods of peace. Despite that, Chinese leaders are trying to use their growing (on paper, anyway) military power to grab maritime territory from most of their neighbors. This involves all of the South China Sea and changing the international law of the sea to keep foreign warships and aircraft far from Chinese shores. This is dangerous stuff, but Xi Jinping belongs to the faction who believes it is China’s right to control all this territory and now is the time for China to receive what it is due. This thinking is very popular in China. Unfortunately, China is also facing some serious economic problems (like running out of young workers and internal stability). Many Chinese fear that testing the capabilities of the military will have unfortunate results. It’s uncertain if Xi Jinping is paying sufficient attention to these matters.

Most Communist Party members believe that this new imperial system can succeed and survive because membership is now open to anyone who has something to offer China and the party. Thus there are now over 80 million members of the party and plenty of opportunity to climb the ranks. But already there are complaints that being a member of the communist aristocracy (a family with several generations of members) counts for more than ability. This is a problem, and being a party member is no longer required for many key technical jobs because of it. The party is also struggling with the image that many government officials simply join the party for protection from prosecution for corruption.

Keeping the peace inside China is mainly a matter of sustaining economic growth. This gives people hope and an excuse to ignore the corrupt communist police state government they live under. Three decades of 8-10 percent growth a year has lifted average per-capital income to $6,000. But over 100 million Chinese still live in extreme poverty and many more are just now getting a taste of the widely touted prosperity. Most of the new wealth is concentrated in the coastal provinces, but electronic media has spread everywhere and let the less affluent people in the interior see (in wide-screen full color glory) what they are missing out on. Despite government censorship and propaganda, most Chinese know that many non-Chinese in western China (Uighurs and Tibetans) are violently opposed to Chinese rule and cultural domination. All is not well in the Middle Kingdom, and even discussing that can get you in trouble.

The government continues to encourage anti-Japanese activities and attitudes. Sales of Japanese products, including those built in China, will be down this year. The Beijing Marathon (run on the 25th) has barred Japanese entrants. In 31 years of operation, this is the first time such a ban was used.

Only a year after entering service, China is offering for sale its new low-altitude air defense system. The HQ-16A is a land based version of the HQ-16 system used in ships and fired from VLS (Vertical Launch System) containers. This system is a license built version of the Russian Buk M2 anti-aircraft missile systems. These are the latest version of the SAM-6 class missiles, which proved so effective in the 1973 Arab Israeli war. The missiles have a max range of 40 kilometers. The target acquisition radar has a range of over 150 kilometers. The export version is called the LY-80. The system can hit targets as high as 10,000 meters (31,000 feet) and as low as a hundred meters (310 feet). The system is carried by an 8x8 truck that contains the radar behind the cab, and behind those are four shipping/firing containers for missiles. These containers are tilted back so that the missiles can be fired straight up, just as they are from VLS cells. While the HQ-16/LY-80 was made with licensed Russian technology, China is also offering for export the larger (like the U.S. Patriot) FD-2000, which contains a lot of stolen Russian (and American) technology. China is also offering the new FK-1000, which is a wheeled vehicle containing radar, 30mm anti-aircraft cannon, and short range missiles.

After years of building foreign air liners under license, China is now selling its own locally designed and built competitor for the American B-727 and European A-320. The Chinese C919 is still in development but two Chinese airlines have obligingly ordered fifty. The manufacturer expects to have 150 C919s in service by the end of the decade. The C919 will still use a lot of foreign components (engines and some electronics).

November 18, 2012: A military defector from Syria has told Western journalists that China has provided more than diplomatic support for the Assad dictatorship. Chinese Internet monitoring software has been supplied to the Assads, to help them battle the 20month old rebellion. The defector also saw Chinese working at government headquarters, apparently advising on how to use the Chinese software. The Chinese advisors apparently have had experience dealing with overseas supporters of Chinese dissidents (Tibetans and Uighurs) and are helping the Assads deal with their foreign critics. In general, China is opposed to international efforts to overthrow police states.

November 16, 2012: South Korea revealed that last May it had intercepted and seized a cargo of North Korea missile components headed for Syria. The Chinese ship had stopped in a South Korean port to pick up some more cargo when the discovery was made. China has long aided North Korea to defy international sanctions. North Korean cargoes are sent, by rail, to Chinese ports for export, while illegal imports are simply purchased from Chinese dealers. Apparently the Chinese ship caught in May was not expecting scrutiny, or a bribery effort failed.

November 15, 2012: In the west (Qinghai province) two more Tibetans set themselves on fire to protest Chinese occupation of Tibet and attempts to suppress Tibetan culture. Over 62 Tibetans have died this way since China put down an uprising in Tibet three years ago. Police are offering a $7,700 reward for information about the group (if any) behind the growing number of immolations. The government fears another major uprising in Tibet and officially sees the unrest as the work of foreign agents, not popular discontent over Chinese oppression in Tibet.

November 13, 2012: At the Zhuhai airshow Chinese aircraft and weapons manufacturers were out in force. UAV builders were openly predicting a big jump in sales as China continues its effort to take possession of the South China Sea. This effort can be aided by constant UAV patrols (to detect intruders in need of a visit from Chinese ships to chase the interlopers off).

November 9, 2012: The 13th naval escort squadron has departed for Somalia. In 2008, after noting that foreign warships were defending Chinese merchant ships and Chinese crews, off the Somali coast, China began sending these squadrons (usually of two frigates and a supply ship) to join the international anti-piracy patrol in the Gulf of Aden for three months. The Chinese warships would also make port visits on the trip out and back, to show the world that the Chinese Navy had long arms.

November 8, 2012: Taiwan expects to receive two refurbished Perry class frigates from the United States in three years. Costing $270 million, the Perry’s will replace two older Knox class ships Taiwan received two decades ago.



Mao diayng gahi pud ning North Korea kay nag salig diay tsk... tsk... tsk...

[lhorenzoo]

conniving gyud ning north korea og china da. tsk,tsk,tsk.

[DEMONOCIETY]

Mao diayng gahi pud ning North Korea kay nag salig diay tsk... tsk... tsk...

sauna pa na nga solid ilang alliance sa cny ug NK

[balipseyev]

Ila gyud na tabangan ang NoKor... Kay kung ma unify ang Korea under sa South Korea, they would share a common border... Now, There are around 30k+ US serviceman sa SoKor... Eng Eng Eng Eng

maong ilaha gyud na interest na mag stay ug Communist ang Nokor...

[weblizzer]

kuyawa ani mag ka ww3.

[marcopolo]

Russia downplays Chinese J-15 fighter Capabilities

China's J-15 carrier-based fighter will not be able to compete with Russia's Su-33 fighter on global markets because it is inferior to the Russian aircraft, a Russian military analyst said on Friday.

China since 2001 has been developing the J-15 naval fighter, which is believed to be a clone of Russia's Su-33 Falcon-D. China bought an Su-33 prototype earlier from Ukraine, and used it to develop the new aircraft.

The J-15 is expected to be stationed initially onboard the Chinese Varyag aircraft carrier currently being fitted in the port of Dalian. China bought the unfinished Admiral Kuznetsov class aircraft carrier from Ukraine in 1998.

"The Chinese J-15 clone is unlikely to achieve the same performance characteristics of the Russian Su-33 carrier-based fighter, and I do not rule out the possibility that China could return to negotiations with Russia on the purchase of a substantial batch of Su-33s," said Col. (Ret.) Igor Korotchenko, a member of the Defense Ministry's Public Council.

The Su-33 is a carrier-based multi-role fighter, which can perform a variety of air superiority, fleet defense, air support and reconnaissance missions. The aircraft entered service with the Russian Navy in 1995 and are currently deployed on board the Admiral Kuznetsov aircraft carrier.

Korotchenko said China was unlikely to solve technical problems related to the design of the folding wings and to develop a reliable engine for the aircraft, although the first J-15 prototype reportedly made its maiden flight on August 31, 2009, powered by Chinese WS-10 turbofan engines.

China and Russia had been in negotiations on the sale of the Su-33 Flanker-D fighters to be used on future Chinese aircraft carriers since 2006, but the talks collapsed over China's request for an initial delivery of two aircraft for a "trial."

Russian Defense Ministry sources confirmed that the refusal was due to findings that China had produced its own copycat version of the Su-27SK fighter jet in violation of intellectual property agreements.

In 1995, China secured a $2.5-billion production license from Russia to build 200 Su-27SKs, dubbed J-11A, at the Shenyang Aircraft Corp.

The deal required the aircraft to be outfitted with Russian avionics, radars and engines. Russia cancelled the arrangement in 2006 after it discovered that China was developing an indigenous version, J-11B, with Chinese avionics and systems. The decision came after China had already produced at least 95 aircraft.

Last year, Russia refused again to sell the Su-33 to China even after Beijing had offered to buy 14 of them, saying that at least 24 jets should be sold to recoup production costs.

MOSCOW, June 4 (RIA Novosti)

source: internet


Hehe... mismo ang Russia ni saway sa SU-33 clone. But why are they still selling their technology to China? Black Market?