crap lists of greatest guitarists by rolling stone mag

[antoy hilom]

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I hate the idea of ranking guitar players according to greatness or technical skill, speed, virtuosity, innovativeness, etc...but Eddie Van Halen on no. 70 spot is simply preposterous!

But this post really knocked me off... I thought I was the only Bossa Nova freak in this forum...

sa ako pud...just cant resists Bossa nova....tsampyon jud kung gitarahay lang.....Antonio Carlos Jobim and João Gilberto!

Yes, these two guys are the ones I would like to emulate aside from my futile attempts at Pat Metheny licks. I'm also dipping my fingers into the chord voicings of not so familiar Brazilian dudes Joao Bosco and Djavan! Cheers!

I do emulate these fellaz.....with my airguitar! hahahaha. sos kung kahibaw pa lang ko mogitara....kini ako tirada man jud bah. when I was a kid....naay motudlo unta nako ug gitara but....im left-handed...mismo ang nagtudlo nako naglisod pud hihihi.

Oh well....one thing that enjoys me most.....listening and hearing this type of genre.

nós vivemos pela música... que nós morremos pela música

-AR

vinha cantando alegremente! Actually I shelved by vintage Gretz Jet electric, a Martin clone and my Yamaha classical a long time ago. It was only back in 2002 that I dusted it out of mothballs when I heard this neat voicing of No Such Thing by John Mayer... I knew right there and then that this guy must have been influenced either willfully or subconsciously by Brazilian guitarists... but that's purely speculation on my part because I haven't really delved into the musical background of John Mayer. His voicing on the intro of No Such Thing is typical of Jobim songs... he substitutes the EM7 chord with an EM9.
Try listening to his song '83 in the same album Room for Squares, the Bossa Nova influence is quite obvious in this song.

[Carlo Borromeo]

depechebox said

you said van halen influenced guitar.
thats why the list is about greatest guitarists not who influenced music.

Sheesh. And for a moment, I thought you were smart.

Read your comment again and notice how clueless you now appear.

[size=18px]Isn't it GREATER to influence your Medium, and not only your INSTRUMENT?[/size]

AGAIN, REALIZE THIS, THE LIST IS NOT ABOUT TECHNICAL SKILL. GREATNESS IS NOT ABOUT TECHNICAL SKILL.

ALL YOUR BRILLIANT ASSUMPTIONS ARE REFERRING TO TECHNICAL SKILL

This is the wrong list for you. The list is about guitarists who caused change and contributed something to their artform.

Van Halen is a great guitarist. He influenced technique, tone, design, etc.

Jimi Hendrix influence music itself.

Can't you get that?

If you can't, then you never will and you are appreciating music for the wrong reasons.

[adminroot]

vinha cantando alegremente! Actually I shelved by vintage Gretz Jet electric, a Martin clone and my Yamaha classical a long time ago. It was only back in 2002 that I dusted it out of mothballs when I heard this neat voicing of No Such Thing by John Mayer... I knew right there and then that this guy must have been influenced either willfully or subconsciously by Brazilian guitarists... but that's purely speculation on my part because I haven't really delved into the musical background of John Mayer. His voicing on the intro of No Such Thing is typical of Jobim songs... he substitutes the EM7 chord with an EM9.
Try listening to his song '83 in the same album Room for Squares, the Bossa Nova influence is quite obvious in this song.

Will do. ako ni pangitaon na tukar hehehehe.

tnx!

[boy ingig]

La lagi ko kita sa listahan ang pangalan ni Steve Vai ug Joe Satriani. Di ko tuo ana nga listahan. Sa amo pud nga plaza naa buta didto mau mogitara mogamit pa jud ug harmonica samtang sige tapak iya tiil sa pedal para sa bass drum, wala pud sa listahan. Hinoon wala pud ko kaila sa ngalan.

[Vince Russo]

Wow... I have to admit that I find some of the entries on that list cause me some mild stomach distress. BUT, I think I know why we guitarists are collectively having so much trouble with this list: The people who published the list are MAGAZINE people, not GUITARISTS. They are LISTENERS of music with a particular interest in American music culture, not PLAYERS. Their perspective of "influential value" of a particular player is based on an entirely different set of dynamics and criteria. They are able to assign importance to a player who only knows a handful of elementary chords if they feel that the those 3 or 4 chords (in a song) signified a change in a current trend of music. Jack White of the White Stripes?? Eeaghhh...

My advice? #1) ignore the list, or
#2) research all the names on the list (missing something good?)
#3) make your own list and only look at that

[depechebox]

yeah imagine kim thayil at 100 I dont think joan jett is better than him, you're difinitely right, the ones who make the lists are mag people not guitarists. no steve vai, no satriani no petrilli, no mustaine, no eric johnson one of the most respected as a soloist and a session guitar player, a versatile one and where's ritchie sambora whom alice cooper once said that if he only has to pick one guitar player, it would be sambora.

did you know that people in the US are furious with this list? try surfing the lists and you'll know how mad they really are.

the list is an insult to those who study, didicate and play the guitar with passion.

britney spears can learn the basic chords and then try to look cool with it, then she'll be in the list. it can happen.

its really an insult.

[firewater]

ummm....Steve Howe on top of Van Halen?? Howe would be number 1 on my list.
Was Paco or Dmeola on the list??

[depechebox]

ummm....Steve Howe on top of Van Halen?? Howe would be number 1 on my list.
Was Paco or Dmeola on the list??

1Jimi Hendrix
2 Duane Allman of the Allman Brothers Band
3 B.B. King
4 Eric Clapton
5 Robert Johnson
6 Chuck Berry
7 Stevie Ray Vaughan
8 Ry Cooder
9 Jimmy Page of Led Zeppelin
10 Keith Richards of the Rolling Stones
11Kirk Hammett of Metallica
12 Kurt Cobain of Nirvana
13 Jerry Garcia of the Grateful Dead
14 Jeff Beck
15 Carlos Santana
16 Johnny Ramone of the Ramones
17 Jack White of the White Stripes
18 John Frusciante of the Red Hot Chili Peppers
19 Richard Thompson
20 James Burton
21 George Harrison
22 Mike Bloomfield
23 Warren Haynes
24 The Edge of U2
25 Freddy King
26 Tom Morello of Rage Against the Machine and Audioslave
27 Mark Knopfler of Dire Straits
28 Stephen Stills
29 Ron Asheton of the Stooges
30 Buddy Guy
31 Dick Dale
32 John Cipollina of Quicksilver Messenger Service
33 & 34 Lee Ranaldo, Thurston Moore of Sonic Youth
35 John Fahey
36 Steve Cropper of Booker T. and the MG's
37 Bo Diddley
38 Peter Green of Fleetwood Mac
39 Brian May of Queen
40 John Fogerty of Creedence Clearwater Revival
41 Clarence White of the Byrds
42 Robert Fripp of King Crimson
43 Eddie Hazel of Funkadelic
44 Scotty Moore
45 Frank Zappa
46 Les Paul
47 T-Bone Walker
48 Joe Perry of Aerosmith
49 John McLaughlin
50 Pete Townshend
51 Paul Kossoff of Free
52 Lou Reed
53 Mickey Baker
54 Jorma Kaukonen of Jefferson Airplane
55 Ritchie Blackmore of Deep Purple
56 Tom Verlaine of Television
57 Roy Buchanan
58 Dickey Betts
59 & 60 Jonny Greenwood, Ed O'Brien of Radiohead
61 Ike Turner
62 Zoot Horn Rollo of the Magic Band
63 Danny Gatton
64 Mick Ronson
65 Hubert Sumlin
66 Vernon Reid of Living Colour
67 Link Wray
68 Jerry Miller of Moby Grape
69 Steve Howe of Yes
70 Eddie Van Halen
71 Lightnin' Hopkins
72 Joni Mitchell
73 Trey Anastasio of Phish
74 Johnny Winter
75 Adam Jones of Tool
76 Ali Farka Toure
77 Henry Vestine of Canned Heat
78 Robbie Robertson of the Band
79 Cliff Gallup of the Blue Caps (1997)
80 Robert Quine of the Voidoids
81 Derek Trucks
82 David Gilmour of Pink Floyd
83 Neil Young
84 Eddie Cochran
85 Randy Rhoads
86 Tony Iommi of Black Sabbath
87 Joan Jett
88 Dave Davies of the Kinks
89 D. Boon of the Minutemen
90 Glen Buxton of Alice Cooper
91 Robby Krieger of the Doors
92 & 93 Fred "Sonic" Smith, Wayne Kramer of the MC5
94 Bert Jansch
95 Kevin Shields of My Bloody Valentine
96 Angus Young of AC/DC
97 Robert Randolph
98 Leigh Stephens of Blue Cheer
99 Greg Ginn of Black Flag
100 Kim Thayil of Soundgarden (Posted Aug 27, 2003)

[alvin777]

for me guys...
the only thing that makes guitarist play is when they play with their hearts...jimmy did that so did, stevie ray, satriani, eric clapton and b.b. king...i just got started on blues because the expression is so great that it doesn't matter if you play fast or slow (slow hand blues is just so good), good or bad as long as it comes from the heart, it sounds great...

you can use a thousand effects, an ultra fast finger lick or the greatest sound mix but if you don't play with your heart, it is just another lick on the fret board...
if you see jimi play (i know you guys already have)it is not really stage presence but a feel of what he is playing...body language, facial expressions really tell that he is feeling the time with his axe...

i think the list was just based on someone's opinion and reference to how he is plays or see someone play, the poll was just a bit part of it...in this case, i think the author likes those who knows how to make the crowd go berserk (with kurt on the top 20) or those with heavy and fast guitar leads (as to kirk hammet and Mark Tremonti-guy from creed) so basically guys its all good, everyone is entitled to his opinion even though it dissapoints a lot of us (like me - waaah!!) ...the only thing that i am disappointed is that there is a rise of different genre names of music that basically sound the same and labels to sound types that is not right....and the lack of identity to the music that we have in todays time...

most kids today just dont appreciate the old times when scales, licks, guitar solos were part of a song...usually today is now 2 finger chords and thats it...quite disappointing sometimes...

[level42]

okay ra nako si hendrix top 3 pero van halen no. 70, murag matok an man sad ta ana, bai naa gyud na siya sa top 5, wala lagi si joe satriani nga mao gani na maestro ni kirk hammet, pero hammet naa, naonsa na man ni, asa man si steve vai og john petrucci nga mga producto sa berklee?