Mike and Mikey Arroyo linked to jueteng!

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SPRINGFIELD WAY BO-UT!

You are in violation of rules 1 and 8. I'd expect not to read anymore of those from you.

Back to the topic:
And the truth always smiles at the guilty.

Impeachment is not the answer. If PGMA would be impeached, who's gonna take over? Another clown by the name of Noli de Castro? No...please no.

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[dawn runner]

Opposition links GMA to jueteng

By Gerry Baldo
Saturday, 05 21, 2005

Opposition stalwarts yesterday drew a thin line linking President Arroyo and a jueteng operator even as a lawmaker from Ilocos Norte claimed the illegal numbers game scandal could lead to the downfall of Mrs. Arroyo and her government.

Senate Minority Leader Aquilino 哲ene・Pimentel Jr. pointed out that Mrs. Arroyo could have been a jueteng beneficiary when she ran for Vice President, while Ilocos Norte Rep. Imee Marcos said jueteng money could have played a big role in Mrs. Arroyo's political ambitions.

的 can only surmise that she benefited from jueteng,・Pimentel said yesterday during a media forum in Quezon City.

This as Marcos explained that the jueteng scandal surrounding the Arroyo family could 都weep them out of Malaca・ng.・p> 的t happened before in (detained President) Erap (Estrada)'s time and it became the 'terminator' issue. Worse, it now comes in the middle of the credit risk agencies giving the country downgrades. Add to this our national problems, and then comes something like a jueteng scandal rocking Malaca・ng...we may yet see a closure,・Marcos said in the same forum.

Pimentel clarified, however, that at this point, there is no concrete link between Mrs. Arroyo and Rodolfo 釘ong・Pineda even as he claimed Pineda's campaign contributions to Mrs. Arroyo during her second senatorial run and her vice presidential bid were big, among which were expensive colored campaign posters.

During Rep. Juan Miguel 溺ike・Arroyo's wedding in Pampanga, it was also Pineda who spent on a lavish wedding feast as well as provided some of the outdoor d・or.

The senator said Pineda, one of the biggest jueteng operators in Central Luzon if not in the archipelago, is a kumpare of Mrs. Arroyo and both came from Lubao, Pampanga.

的'm saying that since Bong Pineda is more or less notoriously known by people as a jueteng lord, especially in his turf in Lubao, and you put two and two together, you can deduce that somehow if those posters were paid for by Bong Pineda, then where did he get so much money that he can afford to have those posters printed for Gloria's campaign?・Pimentel said.

Mrs. Arroyo ran for the Senate in 1992 and was the tail-ender in the race. This was followed by a full six-year term in a re-election in 1995 but she did not finish her term as she ran and won as vice president in 1998.

擢rom the start, when she ran for the Senate, hers was a shoestring campaign budget. There was a lot of pleading for funds, and a lot of gapang. Suddenly there was a big transformation. The ads have become sleek. And her materials were overflowing. She even donated to schools and distributed medicines to hospitals. This was amazing and one easily saw how well-oiled her machinery was for her second second senatorial campaign,・Marcos pointed out.

Pimentel said he has already submitted the affidavits of 24 witnesses in the Senate investigation on jueteng but still has five more witnesses who are currently in hiding.

He added that he and Dagupan-Lingayan Archbishop Oscar Cruz, head of the Krusadang Bayan Laban sa Jueteng have no political motivation to bring Mrs. Arroyo down from the presidency.

He said Mrs. Arroyo does not deserve to be president due to election fraud but that he will not exert any extra-constitutional means to bring her down from the presidency.

In a related development, realizing the bomb that has become dropped right into the Palace was much too explosive, Executive Secretary Eduardo Ermita yesterday expressed approval for the legalization of jueteng.

In a phone interview with Malaca・ng reporters, Ermita said by legalizing jueteng, the local governments could earn more revenue and more employment.

Ermita even likened jueteng to the other number game, lotto, which is now being operated legally.

的 think, it is just all right if it (jueteng) would be legalized. If that would be legalized like lotto, its income would really help our local governments and would promote more employment opportunities,・Ermita was quoted as saying.

Ermita also admitted that by legalizing jueteng, the current scandal involving First Gentleman Jose Miguel 溺ike・Arroyo and son Mikey, the issue of jueteng would surely die down.

的 think if that (jueteng) would be legalized, then all these scandals would stop,・he said.

But Ermita insisted that the jueteng scandal is aimed at destabilizing the Arroyo government although he refused to identify any person or group behind the alleged destabilization move.

典his thing is just part of an effort to weaken the administration because as you all know, we have detractors n the government,・he said.

The jueteng issue was the same thing used by Mrs. Arroyo and her allies in ousting Estrada from power in 2001.

He he he he he he he! Sakto si Nene Pimentel bay. Kabs gud sila Bong Pineda ug GMA, kumpare pa jud, amigo pa jud sa iya bana. Syaro kung wala gyud ni sila link.

Excited kaayu ko ani development da.

By the way, Mike Arroyo and Iggy " Jose Pidal " Arroyo nilaraga sa Singapore. Nisibat. Ha ha ha ha ha. Nahadlok siguro. Mukhang guilty!

[dawn runner]

Pimentel: Arroyo benefited from jueteng
But no proof of link, says senator

24 witnesses

"I don't have the evidence to link the President directly to jueteng money, so as I said, you people in media can say that, but I cannot. I will stick to my stand that when I say something, I can back it up," he said.

Pimentel said that apart from the 24 witnesses to be presented at the Senate inquiry, five more were willing to talk about the people on the jueteng take.

"The best that I can tell you is this: Even my witnesses, who are now hiding, can only [say] up to a point [the names of] jueteng lords and [government] officials receiving money," he said, adding:

"We can never tell if [directly linking the Arroyos is] going to happen in the investigation. The question will be answered when the witnesses appear."

Not pawns

Pimentel said the "luxurious" campaign posters that portrayed Ms Arroyo as "another Nora Aunor in politics" showed they were "paid for by Bong Pineda."

However, he stressed that he and Lingayen-Dagupan Archbishop Oscar Cruz, who is leading anti-jueteng crusade, were "not pawns in any political game, especially as regards the desire to topple Gloria."

"I know that Gloria does not deserve to be there-she was elected fraudulently. But it does not mean that I will use extra-constitutional means to kick her out of office," he said.

Vital ingredient lacking

But Pimentel, who was Senate President during the aborted impeachment trial of President Joseph Estrada, said the present confluence of events still lacked a vital ingredient that would bring down the Arroyo administration.

"The difference is there was a [Ilocos Sur Gov.] Chavit Singson who linked Estrada directly [to jueteng]," he said.

Pimentel also said that even before Ms Arroyo became president, he had been advocating a shift to a federal system from the present presidential form of government.

"There's a sharing of power [in a federal form], triggering the fastest economic development in the country, and there would be less coup [attempts] by military adventurists," he said.

Under threat

The supposed jueteng operator and two bagmen for influential people are seeking protection from the Senate, where they intend to spill the beans on people on the take from jueteng lords.

Even before they could come out in the open to testify, the jueteng men said they were "under threat" from people they were likely to implicate in the illegal numbers game.

A jueteng lord, whom the Inquirer report dubbed as O1, reported unwanted visits by unknown men to his house somewhere in Luzon since he and two bagmen spoke with the Inquirer and GMA 7 last Wednesday.

While he said nothing would stop him from testifying at the Senate, O1, who described himself as "very well known in the jueteng industry," said he was worried for his and his family's safety because he knew he was up against powerful persons.

P9.2M monthly

O1 has said he had been giving as much as P9.2 million a month in jueteng protection money for officials of the Philippine National Police, provincial police directors and other PNP officials, governors, mayors, and even members of the media through two conduits in Camp Crame in Quezon City.

On the other hand, the bagmen, dubbed B1 and B2, said they collected payola supposedly given to the Arroyo father and son-a charge vehemently denied by Malacañang.

B1, B2 and O1 wanted to testify at the jueteng investigation to be conducted by the Senate. But they have yet to contact Senate officials or to make their appeal formally to the committees on games and on public order, which are to conduct the inquiry.

The committees, chaired by Sen. Manuel "Lito" Lapid and Sen. Manuel Villar respectively, have not even come up with a list of guests or individuals to invite.

Protection

B1 expressed hope that they would be given protection for their testimony.

"If possible, they should protect us because we are still working for our families," he told the Inquirer. "People whom we are implicating have the capacity to harm us."

O1 agreed: "I hope the Senate or Congress can provide protection for people like us who are exposing anomalies in the government."

Aside from possible physical harm, O1 said they were also certain of being discredited by their foes.

"What happens is, if somebody comes out to talk about illegal activities, his entire life will be scrutinized. What the defense does is destroy your credibility. Our appeal is for [authorities] to verify what we are saying, and if they can prove that we lied, then they can jail us," O1 said.

He added: "But we should not be treated or asked questions like we are criminals, or asked everything about our families. Who would want to expose irregularities if they will be treated this way? They will go against rich people who can have them killed."

O1 recalled the case of the Land Bank of the Philippines employee, Acsa Ramirez, who exposed a tax scam but was herself charged.

Silencing them

"It's so sad, isn't it? Now, if there is protection, many people will come out to talk about not just jueteng but [also] corruption and thieves in government," he said.

An official who declined to be named said government agents were after the jueteng witnesses to keep them silent or force them to retract their planned testimony.

This was the official's take on Ms Arroyo's order for the investigation of the jueteng expos‚ against her husband and son, and Justice Secretary Raul Gonzalez's order to identify the witnesses.

"The purpose of the order is to identify the witnesses to control them. They are being tracked down ostensibly to be offered protection. but the intention is to make them retract," the official said.

Pimentel said at least five of his own witnesses also feared for their lives.

"Takot na takot (So afraid)" was how he described them.

"Some of them have been moving to different houses," he said in a phone interview.

But according to Pimentel, the Senate does not have its own protection program for the potential witnesses. He said they could be admitted to the government's Witness Protection Program administered by the Department of Justice.

Caveat

In another phone interview, Pimentel said jueteng whistle-blowers should not detail their first-hand knowledge about the illegal numbers game in the media to avoid being discounted outright.

Any disclosure by the potential witnesses before the start of the official Senate inquiry would run the risk of being dismissed by gambling operators and protectors, he said.

"I'm a little worried about this development. Obviously, there might be an attempt to explore the extent of their knowledge about jueteng and to limit it. It can be a ploy either way," he said.

He stressed that any testimony would be best aired during official inquiries.

With a report from TJ Burgonio

Ha hay kanus-a man ni sugdan imbestigasyon. Basin mawala o managamatay hinoon ni mga witness. Oh God dont. Mao na lang ni nabilin pag asa sa katawhan malimpyo ang gobyerno.

[SPRINGFIELD_XD_40]

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Pimentel: Arroyo benefited from jueteng
But no proof of link, says senator

24 witnesses

"I don't have the evidence to link the President directly to jueteng money, so as I said, you people in media can say that, but I cannot. I will stick to my stand that when I say something, I can back it up," he said.

Pimentel said that apart from the 24 witnesses to be presented at the Senate inquiry, five more were willing to talk about the people on the jueteng take.

"The best that I can tell you is this: Even my witnesses, who are now hiding, can only [say] up to a point [the names of] jueteng lords and [government] officials receiving money."

Hehehehe these are old tactics of the art of war . The questions are ... who are the WITNESSES and how RELIABLE they are ? Basin binayran ra pod to oust the GMA admin ? Or maybe si Pimentel nawagtangan ug share mao ni bali ? And hit it big time by barking at the right tree meaning katu-ohan na link sa jueteng yet possible na di pod like Mike Arroyo ? Dont jump at conclusions , dali ra kaau ta mo tuo pero sa case ni ERAP ... maski ang batang walay buot maka tuo gyud bwahahahaha !!

[dawn runner]

Aw basta ako wa ko mailad nga nibotar ni GMA unya anak ng jueteng ra gihapon.

Di man gyud motoo most Cebuanos nga bad si GMA kay gilumsan man sa kwata ang MOSTLY (dili tanan ha) Cebuano.

Parehas ra gud imo papa banggiitang criminal nga drug lord or hired killer. Pero imo man siya papa pinangga ka, tagaan ka sa unsay imo gusto. Mao na kung naay moingon nimo, imo papa criminal, dautang tawo, di gyud ka motoo.

Parehas ra ni GMA. Kining jueteng sa asa ra man ta pabor ani. Tural moingon ka guilty si Erap kay anti-Erap man ka. Wa na ko matingala. Bisan bata dili motoo sa imong istorya.

Pero ang tinood, ang casong plunder ni Erap wa na NAGTAKILID na ang gobyerno. Imagine 130 million kuno ang gi deliver ni Chavit sa balay ni Erap. 200 kilos na kaya niya na arsahon?

Unya anti jueteng man kaha si GMA ngano nagpadayun man lagi na si Chavit Singson pag operate ug jueteng. Thats B.S.! Unya i legalize kuno ang jueteng kuno kay dili masumpo. Mao ni tubag sa gobyerno nga dili ka sulbad sa jueteng? Ngano jueteng ra man i legalize? I legalize sad nato prostitution ug drug trafficking kay kini nga mga krimen di man ni ma sumpo sa gobyerno bisag unsaon.

Balik ta sa caso ni Erap, ni testify sad si former Chief Justice narvasa nga ang caso nga plunder POLITICAL PERSECUTION kay gi file man ni sa dihang wa mosugor si erap nga mo pirma ug resignation letter ug mag exile sa ubang nasud.

Dapat managandam GMA ani jueteng. kung ma feel na gani sa mga tawo nga hao ciao ning imbestigasyuna, rally diri, rally didto ang mahitabo. And then the end will come. Coup de etat.

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Aw basta ako wa ko mailad nga nibotar ni GMA unya anak ng jueteng ra gihapon.

Mao na tuo nimo ..... ilad man gani ka ni SPRINGFIELD bwahahaha !!

Di man gyud motoo most Cebuanos nga bad si GMA kay gilumsan man sa kwata ang MOSTLY (dili tanan ha) Cebuano.

Kay wala pod lumsi ni ERAP , FPJ , LACSON etc ang mga Cebuanos ug kwarta aron mo butar nila ? Actually sila ang nailad sa mga Cebuano !! Bwahahaha .... pagka gyud ....

Parehas ra gud imo papa banggiitang criminal nga drug lord or hired killer. Pero imo man siya papa pinangga ka, tagaan ka sa unsay imo gusto. Mao na kung naay moingon nimo, imo papa criminal, dautang tawo, di gyud ka motoo.

Mo tuo ko oi na kriminal siya kay kabalo gud ko . Karon ang pangutana ana , naay bai mo sulti ana kay sila lipay man pod sa grasya nako .... ikaw apilon pa gani tika sa tapsing sa kwarta sa hangin .

Parehas ra ni GMA. Kining jueteng sa asa ra man ta pabor ani. Tural moingon ka guilty si Erap kay anti-Erap man ka. Wa na ko matingala. Bisan bata dili motoo sa imong istorya.

Hehehe never ko na anti ERAP ... you assum too much mao lagpas kaau ka ug reply . Imohang replies puro SPECUALTIONS , walay BASEHAN mao masuko ka ra dayon . Lolz ... kasing2x lage nimo pisi ra ga kupot ana . Ana ako pagumangkon ... kana pisi ug hilo pareho ra daw na so tyuo gyud siya nako diay .

Pero ang tinood, ang casong plunder ni Erap wa na NAGTAKILID na ang gobyerno. Imagine 130 million kuno ang gi deliver ni Chavit sa balay ni Erap. 200 kilos na kaya niya na arsahon?

Lolz .... ngano alsahon man naa man siya mga tao ug sakyanan . Paste be daw diri with pix na gi alsa niya .. pagka toytoy ..c.. ommonsense dong .

Unya anti jueteng man kaha si GMA ngano nagpadayun man lagi na si Chavit Singson pag operate ug jueteng. Thats B.S.! Unya i legalize kuno ang jueteng kuno kay dili masumpo. Mao ni tubag sa gobyerno nga dili ka sulbad sa jueteng? Ngano jueteng ra man i legalize? I legalize sad nato prostitution ug drug trafficking kay kini nga mga krimen di man ni ma sumpo sa gobyerno bisag unsaon.

Kung ikaw si GMA , kung mo decide ka asa ang i legalized nimo sa 3 ? Sus baya ... commonsense lage . Aw tubag nimo kay prostitution man diay noh kay kuwang ka sa panghilawas mao cge ka hilak diha kontra sa gobyerno lolz na pod .

Balik ta sa caso ni Erap, ni testify sad si former Chief Justice narvasa nga ang caso nga plunder POLITICAL PERSECUTION kay gi file man ni sa dihang wa mosugor si erap nga mo pirma ug resignation letter ug mag exile sa ubang nasud.

natural naay naka advise na ni ERAP ana na mga legal counsel niya so di na siya rare na incident .

[dawn runner]

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Kay wala pod lumsi ni ERAP , FPJ , LACSON etc ang mga Cebuanos ug kwarta aron mo butar nila ? Actually sila ang nailad sa mga Cebuano !! Bwahahaha .... pagka gyud ....

Speculation, way basehan, tinomo tumo. . .

Mo tuo ko oi na kriminal siya kay kabalo gud ko . Karon ang pangutana ana , naay bai mo sulti ana kay sila lipay man pod sa grasya nako .... ikaw apilon pa gani tika sa tapsing sa kwarta sa hangin .

So angkon na ka dawat ka kwarta criminal. At least nitug-an kas tinood ug nahibaw-an nako ingani imo pagkatao.

Hehehe never ko na anti ERAP ... you assum too much mao lagpas kaau ka ug reply . Imohang replies puro SPECUALTIONS , walay BASEHAN mao masuko ka ra dayon . Lolz ... kasing2x lage nimo pisi ra ga kupot ana . Ana ako pagumangkon ... kana pisi ug hilo pareho ra daw na so tyuo gyud siya nako diay .

Dili ka anti Erap? Unsa ma ni imo gisulat, "Dont jump at conclusions , dali ra kaau ta mo tuo pero sa case ni ERAP ... maski ang batang walay buot maka tuo gyud bwahahahaha !!"

Pag ka inconsistent nimo.

Lolz .... ngano alsahon man naa man siya mga tao ug sakyanan . Paste be daw diri with pix na gi alsa niya .. pagka toytoy ..c.. ommonsense dong .

Ingon man siya personal nga gi deliver. So butang ta lang iyang karga sa sakyanan iya gyud na alsahun paingon kang Erap kay " deliver personally" gud. Unsay imo pasabot nga nagdala ug crane si Chavit Singson daw gihatag ngadto kang Erap? Di na na personally, cranally na na'.

Kung ikaw si GMA , kung mo decide ka asa ang i legalized nimo sa 3 ? Sus baya ... commonsense lage . Aw tubag nimo kay prostitution man diay noh kay kuwang ka sa panghilawas mao cge ka hilak diha kontra sa gobyerno lolz na pod .

Susmaryusep pangutana pa ba ni? Ug please lang ayaw ko ingna "kung ikaw si Gma" kay NEVER gyud ko. . . Wa koy i legalize ani dong kay puro ni immoral. Naa na tay lotto, sweepstakes, cockfight, tigbakay dugangan pa nimo ug jueteng so nag develop kag sugarol nga nasud. Mosamot ka tapolan ang mga tawo. Mosamot ug daghan ang jueteng lord ug holdaper ana kay manulis man na para itaya. Mosamot ka down ang moralidad sa pinoy ana. Mosamot ta ug kawad-an ug paglaom.

Kung i legalize ang jueteng dapat mang resign na silang GMA ug iyang mga alipores kay gikaon ra nila ialang sinuka. Hipokrita.

[SPRINGFIELD_XD_40]

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Kay wala pod lumsi ni ERAP , FPJ , LACSON etc ang mga Cebuanos ug kwarta aron mo butar nila ? Actually sila ang nailad sa mga Cebuano !! Bwahahaha .... pagka gyud ....
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Speculation, way basehan, tinomo tumo. . .

UNya ni expect ka na wala na buhata nila ? Gi buhat man gani na sa KABUKIRAN sa LUZON ug MINDANAO ... sa Cebu City pa kaha ? Wala man kaha ka gi pangataw gahapon ??

Mo tuo ko oi na kriminal siya kay kabalo gud ko . Karon ang pangutana ana , naay bai mo sulti ana kay sila lipay man pod sa grasya nako .... ikaw apilon pa gani tika sa tapsing sa kwarta sa hangin .

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So angkon na ka dawat ka kwarta criminal. At least nitug-an kas tinood ug nahibaw-an nako ingani imo pagkatao.

Hehehehe ikaw dili ? Ingna ko ug bakakon kung naay myembro diri sa iSTORYA .net na di MASUWAW sa KWARTA kay asinan nako ang ako-a bwahahaha !!!!

Hehehe never ko na anti ERAP ... you assum too much mao lagpas kaau ka ug reply . Imohang replies puro SPECUALTIONS , walay BASEHAN mao masuko ka ra dayon . Lolz ... kasing2x lage nimo pisi ra ga kupot ana . Ana ako pagumangkon ... kana pisi ug hilo pareho ra daw na so tyuo gyud siya nako diay .

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Dili ka anti Erap? Unsa ma ni imo gisulat, "Dont jump at conclusions , dali ra kaau ta mo tuo pero sa case ni ERAP ... maski ang batang walay buot maka tuo gyud bwahahahaha !!"....Pag ka inconsistent nimo.

Sabta ang context . Hehehe .... mao bitaw na gi ingon ERAP para sa mahirap .... NAGHIHIRAP gyud ... abi sulti ko ana ANTI nako ?? Lolz !!

Ingon man siya personal nga gi deliver. So butang ta lang iyang karga sa sakyanan iya gyud na alsahun paingon kang Erap kay " deliver personally" gud. Unsay imo pasabot nga nagdala ug crane si Chavit Singson daw gihatag ngadto kang Erap? Di na na personally, cranally na na'.

Lolz ... de personal na kung personal . Kung ikaw si CHAVIT .... di pod ka tantong BOGO na alsahon nimo padong kang Erap nor ... naay tao nimo mo dala ana . COmmonsense lage ra na siya papa dawn ...tsk tsk tsk ... personally diay kay SIYA gyud ni ALSA ?? Ayaw sabta literally .he could be there in person while the delivery was in progress .

Susmaryusep pangutana pa ba ni? Ug please lang ayaw ko ingna "kung ikaw si Gma" kay NEVER gyud ko. . . Wa koy i legalize ani dong kay puro ni immoral. Naa na tay lotto, sweepstakes, cockfight, tigbakay dugangan pa nimo ug jueteng so nag develop kag sugarol nga nasud. Mosamot ka tapolan ang mga tawo. Mosamot ug daghan ang jueteng lord ug holdaper ana kay manulis man na para itaya. Mosamot ka down ang moralidad sa pinoy ana. Mosamot ta ug kawad-an ug paglaom.

Hehehehe .... wala nimo TUBAGA akong PANGUTANA .... mao na mo ingon ko na ma caught off guard gani ka DIVERT dayon ka sa topic . O cge usbon nako .. dili naka si GMA , si DR naka .... sa 3 unsa imohang i legalized if ever ?? Gi papili tika sa 3 ug 1 lang mao straight to the point ang answer nimo .

Kung i legalize ang jueteng dapat mang resign na silang GMA ug iyang mga alipores kay gikaon ra nila ialang sinuka. Hipokrita.

I think ikaw ang HIPOKRITO .... all the time kurat kaau ka ug mga PLATAPORMA the time ni sulti ka if ever presidente ka ... hehehe ILARA imong amahan dong ayaw ako .

[dawn runner]

Next session na sad ta spring. Louy kaayo ko nimo. Groggy na kaayo ka igo sa akong mga arguments. Ang lain lang ang mohusga kinsay mas nindot ug idea natong duha.

Pahulay sa dong kay bun-og na kaayo ka.