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    Quote Originally Posted by erwin_rommel View Post
    parehas ra na if mag ihaw og baboy or baka or whatever.
    +1 for this post. This is one point I raised earlier.

    -RODION

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    kini lang pud mga animal rights activists, na nobra ra pud ka sensivite. para nako, as long as its not endangered and its not done out of trip2x lang, ok ra man siguro na

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dorothea View Post
    Yes guys, sabta ninyo ang point ni rodsky. Unya na mo kataranta diha kung ma apil na sa endangered specie list ning mga dolphins nga ilang gi hunt. Wala pa man kaha, kalma lang sa mo. Kung ma endangered na ni sila, then you can be righteously indignant. Huwat huwat lang, it won't be long.

    For now, maybe you can redirect your attention into saving the polar bears (and the cheerleaders of this world).

    *sarcasm mode on, off, on, off, on, off...*
    I'm not saying they should stop--by all means you can all protest if you want--that's the essence of a free world. You can express what you feel and what you want to say--but equally, I must feel what I have to say as well. I'm just making sure these "concerned individuals" and "Save the Whales" people are really into what they're doing and not just "bandwagoning" or in the words of erwin_rommel, "Pa trip-trip lang".

    Our business/company is actually seriously into whale protection, but we found that we had a lot to learn about the situation, before we can actually start hanging "Save the Whales" banners and become Greenpeace activists ourselves. We have upcoming projects inside virtual worlds that actually help people become aware of the plight of whales and the whaling industry around the world--but again, if you examine closely, we are against INDUSTRIES and NOT small fishing villages around the world who have traditionally done whaling as a prime source of livelihood.

    -RODION

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    It's a cultural thing man gud. For pinoys in the boonies for example, it used to be normal to eat dogs. I think some still do actually. Dolphins and some whales have been portrayed by zoos and the media as harmless, cuddly, huggable critters. Not that that's a bad thing btw, just so we're clear.

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    Quote Originally Posted by erwin_rommel View Post
    as long as dili ma daot ang food chain, wala koy problema ana. luoy tuod tanawn ang mga dolphins pero thats part of life and parehas ra na if mag ihaw og baboy or baka or whatever.

    Yes, I totally agree with you. Apparently, in some of the most remote places on earth, some tribes are still practicing cannibalism. I have no problem with this, a.) the human race as a whole is a long way aways from being endangered, b.) these tribes have been doing these rituals for generation upon generations, and c.) they simply like the taste of human flesh.

    Who are we to cause an uproar over this?

    (But I'll definitely stay away from anywhere remote. Those dang dolphins just can't stay away from them yummy Danish pastries)

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    Quote Originally Posted by rodsky View Post
    I'm not saying they should stop--by all means you can all protest if you want--that's the essence of a free world. You can express what you feel and what you want to say--but equally, I must feel what I have to say as well. I'm just making sure these "concerned individuals" and "Save the Whales" people are really into what they're doing and not just "bandwagoning" or in the words of erwin_rommel, "Pa trip-trip lang".

    Our business/company is actually seriously into whale protection, but we found that we had a lot to learn about the situation, before we can actually start hanging "Save the Whales" banners and become Greenpeace activists ourselves. We have upcoming projects inside virtual worlds that actually help people become aware of the plight of whales and the whaling industry around the world--but again, if you examine closely, we are against INDUSTRIES and NOT small fishing villages around the world who have traditionally done whaling as a prime source of livelihood.

    -RODION
    Honestly rodsky, I don't have any feeling about this. Right now I want to save the polar bears first, then I want to save the snow leopards, then I want to save the frogs. But then I start thinking, those seals that the polar bears hunt for food are SoooOoo freakin' cute, maybe I need to save them too. But then I saw this one poor polar bear on Planet Earth trying to chew off a Walrus' rump coz he was starving and the walrus poked him with his tusk. So, NO, I don't want to save the walruses of this world coz they're fat, they're ugly, and they poke you in places that aren't ticklish.

    *on, off, on, off, on, off*

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    Whales and dolphins cannot be farm bred and farm raised. Any analogies made between the two practices is off base.

    The Japanese consumption of whales and dolphins cannot be justified through tradition or any other excuse. They refuse to put any limit to their catches and even go so far as the government excusing their appetite by saying that yes they limit commercial catches the rest is in the name of science. Tradition cannot be used as an excuse because the practice of eating whales and dolphins is a very recent phenomenon. It is comparable to Americans saying the McDonalds and the Big Mac is tradition along the lines of turkey on Thanksgiving. There is no "small time" hunting of whales in Japan. When you hunt in Antarctic waters for your catches, you can no longer consider yourself a small time fisherman thousands of miles away from your home. It is also worth noting that dolphins and whales are not the only marine species that the Japanese population is in danger of wiping out. The Atlantic blue fin tuna (which also cannot be farm-bred or open ocean bred) can also be added to the list even though other species such as the yellow fin are in more abundance and many will say taste as good. Eating these threatened species is a fad and unless the Japanese government co-operates with the International community, the populations of these species will crash and have drastic effects up and down the food chain. This is not about being a whale hunger or extreme applications of conservation ... this is about responsible management of international resources. Russians and Americans have come to an agreement on pollack catches in the North Pacific to make sure fishing there is sustainable, why can't the Japanese?
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    They don't need to produce that gruesome video just to elicit public support.

    IMHO, I think whether commercial or marginal quantities, is beside the issue...It is just simply NOT RIGHT to hunt whales FOR WHATEVER REASONS.

    Whales shouldn't be even considered as food as there are a more than enough edible marine life to catch. Whales are PART of wildlife and we should treat them like the Giraffes, Elephants, Crocodiles, Lions etc ... and therefore shouldn't be encouraged as food sources.

    Also, tradition does not justify whale hunting no matter how old that tradition is to those communities. If we were able to let go of the ancient tradition of slavery why can't we let go of that tradition as well?

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    a squeamish, animal-lover friend told me about this clip and i asked her: why are we saying that such a thing is bad, if we allow pigs to be slaughtered and to be feasted upon?

    What is the difference between Dolphins and Pigs? = convention? which is no different from tradition.

    why do we have to protect them? is it for their own sake, is it for our own sake, or is it just good that we have to refrain from killing?

    What is the justification for saying that a Dolphin's life is worth saving, while we slaughter cattle everyday, what is the difference?

    i always ask tree-huggers that. so what is the difference? Or we just squeamish with the fact that 'fun-loving, good-loving, creatures of the sea are being killed = a matter of public perception?

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    I agree with you brownprose, Whales are the most unobtrusive creatures that have ever been created. They just go about their way peacefully. And for pete's sake! All they eat is krill! Tons and tons of krill! I will never cry over dead krills ever.

    In the same manner, I don't think it's right to hunt quails. Na karma hinuon tong Jurassic nga vice-president nga gisamok samok ang quails wala man unta nang hilabot nila.

    But deer? they need to be hunted down coz they freak out and damage your car and go about their merry way...

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