Dropout w/ vast experience vs. inexperience fresh grad vs non-practicing grad w/ PhD

[silent-kill]

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What if the drop out with experience likes to go back to school but his income is just enough to feed his family, so I guess he is stuck and can no longer advance his career, what do you think?

i think, in every situation... there is always a perfect excuse.. why we didnt do it..
and often times that excuse is valid like "just enough to feed my family stuff"....
but in the end it is still just an excuse.

which i think the desire is not really there.

im not saying he/she can no longer advance his career.. but he'll have more difficulties of achieving it compared to someone who got the 'edge'. personally i know some people who are in this situations where in they are having hard time getting promotions or they get increase which are most of time time smaller compared to other colleagues. most frustrating of all when they try to apply for big companies which requires a diploma. they are always being cut off by someone who is 'more qualified'.

of course there are exceptions...but the chances of you/me in becoming that 'exception' is very slim unless you are as great as those exceptions who had already succeeded like bill gates and the others.

[javapenguin]

of course there are exceptions...but the chances of you/me in becoming that 'exception' is very slim unless you are as great as those exceptions who had already succeeded like bill gates and the others.

hmm.. succeed in stealing technology and being unethical like bill gates? hehehe. I think I'll go for the others but not bill gates.

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[silent-kill]

some other exceptions:

i guess bill gates was too 'evil' to be an example/model of an 'exception' to the rule.. what about john D. Carmack?
John D. Carmack - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

hehee.

[larrysbird]

well i know some1 who is a college dropout(financial probs or just got bored w/ school) and earning 8k in singapore. quite unfair T_T.

[MarkCuering]

and what makes it not fair to you?

[k.A.i]

sa company karon ba,

unsa may una tan-awon? grades or skills?
naa ko skills( wa sa ng hambog ) pero gagmay kog grado.(gagmay kuha score sa exam kay kapoy memorize whahahaha) pero bawi ra sa laboratory kay dagko man jud grado.

kay kung mag work naka ba pede naman siguro mag open notes diba? wahehehe ang ang badlongon ka sa imong higher ups nga di na pede.

btw, 3rd year college pako waheheh...

[cebugdev]

some other exceptions:

i guess bill gates was too 'evil' to be an example/model of an 'exception' to the rule.. what about john D. Carmack?
John D. Carmack - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

hehee.

The difference between these guys to us, they are hardcore level geek/programmer, they actually 'did' something while they are young, they have a vision and the brain.. same thing goes to other great college dropouts.,

Always Remember wla cla ni dropout kay dli cla ka afford college (Gates family is rich), wla cla ni dropout kay gikapoy cla skewela BUT ni drop-out cla kay naa clay 'breakthrough' or because of the timing lang sa oppurtunity knocking at their doorstep. Because they actualy 'did' something that can change the world. And take note of one important thing These guys did not droup-out to become somebodies programmer, even Carmack own big shares in ID software. In summary, nang drop-out cla kay naa clay na invent.

Pero kng being an empleyado sa isa ka company... THats a different story, you are still under 'the man' who of course needs to take care of his business, if i were to own an IT company, id hire college graduates kay more attracting cya sa mga clients, not to mention more professional.

Therefore a drop-out employee has less market value if empleyado imng timing.

One more thing, THis days sayun na kuno mahimug programmer, daghan na mga sayun na languages and scripts specially WEB development and even application (Theres VB and the .NET framework) and another important thing crowded na kaayu ang market sa mga programmers for Web and applications, as usual scarce ghapon ang resources for FIrmware/embedded and system engineers.
I gues what im trying to say (this address to the OP): If you mean 'Dropout w/ vast experience' unsa na field imng pasabot na experience? web developer who develops for around 6-1yr can acquire a 'VAST' experience kay sayun ra man (Same thing to VB developers)
Pero how about vast experience in terms of 'hardcore' development; like system level, drivers, ASM, firmwares, game development, i think this field needs experience and education...

::whew subra pa to sa 2 cents nako dah.. peace mga bro!

[silent-kill]

hi cebugdev

i totally agree, i was pointing out to javapenguin some exceptions vs the chances of us becoming that exception ... but i'm all for education... daghan jud reason ngano di ka tiwas og schooling pro in the end reason rana siya.

i believe when you make reasons, why you cant finish something...
its almost like you have given up. and made some every valid excuse to hide it.. dats all

[MarkCuering]

pag gusto madaming paraan, pag ayaw madaming dahilan

[cebugdev]

heres my view sa original topic;

Drop out with vast experience - Vast experience sa unsa? if wla ka nag trabaho sa field for how many years it means na 'wla' kay experience. Freelancing does not count, school projects does not count etc for reasons such as Software engineering processes cannot be applied to these type of 'experience'.
I bet things like design patters were not even applied to freelance projects. These days people consider themselves as 'experience' because sayun na ang kinabuhi sa programmers mag suwat ug programs.

inexperience fresh grad - can be trained, High grades means they have a discipline for things, they have attention to detail, they have focus, and they can write code.
On the other hand gamay grado na 'maayu' na studyante is marketable BUT mag sakit ang ulo sa employer ana in the future for reasons such as sumbong2x lang ang focus, discipline and if dli cla ganahan dli cla ganahan.

There were cases na dagko ug grades pero 'dli kabalo moprogram', it does not mean dli kabalo mo program, wla lang clay interest mo program, If you let these 'dagko grades' write code, yes they can write code, but not as cool as those 'gagmay grades na maayu'. But they have the brain, if you train them these 'mga maayu' can be beatin in less than a day. Its just they dont have interest cguro sa CS or IT na course, or sa programming in general maybe they want to be a businessman or a dancer, etc.
But dont under-estimate them, kanang mga 'maayu pero gagmay grades' is disposable and needs to prove their worth para ma hire, kanang mga 'dli maayu dagkug grades' are timebomb that needs to be detonated.

Non-practicing grad w/ PHd - and you mention has an experience in field more than 10 years ago?
The chances of this person finding a better job is slim, but finding a greater and/or best job is big?
they can be project leader or a manager!
Why He knows technologies more than the two! why? he was a PHP for god sakes.. It means they were exposed to disciplines, technologies and DEEP COMPUTER SCIENCE theories compare to those new bread posers.

And of course naka trabaho cya sa Field using old programming languages which is more hardcore, it does not mean na

'karaan na ang language nya dli na sikat wla na nay gamit, mas cool mi karn kay bago na language amng gamit' this statement is totally wrong, new bread of programers cant beat old school, like what i said, sayun nalang mag suwat ug programs karn kay daghan na tools and resources online, sa una wla pa gani na ang internet.
Example is anyone can display Jpeg on their programs these days, but not anyone can write a fast JPEG decoder on their own. You need knowledge on how JPEG works.
One more things, cool applications from desktop to handheld devices were not written by thes new bread, 'vast' experience programmers, old school guys did it!

:: pasensya na mo kay wla koy lingaw dri balay... hehehe