This is a little off topic... but I strongly recommend caffein and green tea for fat loss... much cheaper than buying expensive brand fat loss thermogenics, plus it's effective. These are mainly the "bread and butter" of every effective thermogenic. I have even managed to shed some bodyfat while gaining weight (LBM) while bulking by supplementing with high dosages of caffein and thermogenics. (weight lifting 3 times a week, low-intensity cardio on off days)