What is the basis of your salvation?

[Ironside]

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Supposing one has faith, the strongest in all the world. And let's suppose also that Christ did not die for ous sins and rose again. Will that faith be saving?

[shimiyu]

A genuine faith in God's Son that results in good works.

(Expressed in line with the Semitic Totality Concept.)

Faith in Jesus is the primary qualification.

[shimiyu]

Supposing one has faith, the strongest in all the world. And let's suppose also that Christ did not die for ous sins and rose again. Will that faith be saving?

"If in Christ we have hope in this life only, we are of all people most to be pitied." -- 1 Cor. 15:19

[Stingray Sr.]

But a minor adjustment of truths this concept of Christianity crumbles like a house of cards.

What if there are other people in other planets or galaxies?
You see the concept lies on the assumption
that we are the only living beings that God created.
So-- God gave His only begotten son to save us all.

What if He created other planets with beings.
Then this Christianity concept of being saved will be thrown to the bins.

[shimiyu]

That is, IF there are minor adjustments.

Cordially speaking, it may be fine for you sir, but I cannot dwell on "what ifs".
I would rather turn my attention to "what happened".
My belief lang.

[Stingray Sr.]

The reason why I mentioned other planets and beings
is because, it is more possible to have other living beings in this huge universe.

It would be too arrogant to claim that we are alone in this huge universe.

Think about it!
There are 250 billion stars in our galaxy (the Milky Way).
Our sun is just one of those stars.
And there are millions of galaxies in the universe.
There are approximately 100,000,000,000,000 stars in the universe.
So, to say that we are alone in this universe, for me is extremely arrogant.

Just my opinion.

[shimiyu]

Yes, I understand the ardent speculation and relentless suspicion that results from simply reflecting on the vastness of our universe. I know, I pose questions like these to myself from time to time, and I don't fully dismiss the idea that we're alone. Still, over the years I've learned to think like a good lawyer/scientist, and where there is extremely scant evidence to support such a hypothesis, I would take my mind, heart, and soul away from that speculation and strain them on something more... definitive.

[Stingray Sr.]

Difinitive?
Really?

Well i put my bets on what is logical.
To think that there are other beings out there
for me is highly logical.

You see light exist to support life.
If not for our sun we would all be dead in this planet.
A house with no lights would show that nobody lives there, right?
(Unless they have not paid their VECO bills.)

If you go to the hilltop on a clear night.
you would see the city lights down below right?
With those many lights down there
would it be logical to say that only one family live in that city full of lights?
To say that there are no other family down there- is not logical, right?

Look at the stars above you. On the same analogy.
Would it be logical to say that nobody lives out there with that many stars?

I put bet on what is logical.
But people find it easier to be complacent about their soul and beliefs
and leave all the thinking to the priests and reverends.

[shimiyu]

^^ Of course you know we're clearly on the opposite sides of the fence, with you arguing on the basis of logical assumption (which is of course, acceptable), and me contending on the basis of existing evidence. Maybe we'll leave it at that.

[Stingray Sr.]

My point was
If my logical assumptions were correct
then your existing evidence would crumble.
Now we can leave it at that!