Romans 9:18-23

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There is no predestination. Why, because we have Free Will. We make choices. And there is a reason for everything.

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would you agree that somehow we are god's toys? or some character in a movie that god is making that we need to perform our roles may it be good or bad?

would this make freewill an illusion?

we question why, but can we really do something about it?
can we rebel against his will? when his will for us is to rebel against him? LOL

how can free will be an illusion? free will is very real...you drive, you can choose to turn left or right..and in that direction you will go. free will is very real.

we are the roles we like to be. we choose that too.

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how can free will be an illusion? free will is very real...you drive, you can choose to turn left or right..and in that direction you will go. free will is very real.

we are the roles we like to be. we choose that too.

we we are the roles we like to be then it will contradict this verse? unless you dont in it.

18So then he has mercy on whomever he wills, and he hardens whomever he wills.

19You will say to me then, "Why does he still find fault? For(A) who can resist his will?" 20But who are you, O man,(B) to answer back to God?(C) Will what is molded say to its molder, "Why have you made me like this?" 21(D) Has the potter no right over the clay, to make out of the same lump(E) one vessel for honorable use and another for dishonorable use? 22What if God, desiring to show his wrath and to make known his power, has endured with much patience(F) vessels of wrath(G) prepared for destruction, 23in order to make known(H) the riches of his glory for vessels of mercy, which he(I) has prepared beforehand for glory—