"Truth" about Islam from an ex-Muslim

[cmcanch]

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Sis, kanindot ba sab ana nga offer no! daghan na gyud unta nadato didto nga mga Filipino nga nag-Muslim kay daghan baya nag-Muslim didto sa Saudi lang. Abi nimo di ko motuo ana kay didto na ko, wa ko ma-Muslim didto sis diri ra ko na-Muslim, nahibawo pa ko ana di gyud nuon ko ma-Muslim bisan naa ko dinhi sa Cebu, minaot man gud. It is a basic fact in Islam, "That there should be no compulsion in religion" because if you do people are bound to be hypocrite and God doesn't need hypocrite.

mao man pud na iya giingon nako last wk, while ngwork cya didto sa saudi for 15 years na mao daw gioffer sa iyaha...basin ikaw wala ma-offeran ani...nindot daw kaau na offer but wala daw cya patempt....if you like to confirm it jaz come here sa amo haws adto ta sa iya clinic kay neighbor ra man mi...but dalia lng kay molarga na pud cya for Qatar

[JcBoY]

How did it become corrupted? As far as I know the books are fine. In fact there are informations in the Old Testament that were allegedly copied to the Qur'an. This allegation as far as the bible scholars are concern is much convincing given the fact that The bible came first before Muhammad.

Which books you said are fine? And regarding the allegation that the Qur’an is copied from the bible that is not true brother. There are many evidences that disprove this, but I would just like to take for example the story of the flood that occurred in the days of the Prophet Noah(on whom be peace). This event is narrated in both the Bible and the Qur'an. A careful examination of the two versions will show that the Qur'anic version could have come from no other source but God alone. One important difference between the two accounts is that whereas the Bible describes the flood as a worldwide flood (see Genesis Ch. 7) the Qur'an mentions it as a local flood affecting the people of Noah (see Qur'an 7:59-64). Today it is acknowledged that no record exists of a worldwide flood occurring at the time specified in the Bible. How did the author of the Qur'an avoid this mistake unless the author was God Himself?



see some answers about the allegation of Qur'an as copied from the bible at the following links:

Quran Is Not Copied From The Biblehttp://discoverislamaustralia.com/in...oc_view&gid=28
Answers.com - Isn't it true that the Quran is copied from the Bible


</H3>

The Bible also affirms the Oneness of God. How can you then say this message has been corrupted?

Muslims did not totally reject that the bible might contains some truth in it, like the first law of the Ten Commandments and Jesus affirmation of it as the most important commandment. But if you insist on it, I would like to ask, Why do Christians are not in conformity of this IMPORTANT TRUTH? Why are they keep on debating with the same bible they are believing in? Muslim knows these because it was revealed by Allah(may He be glorified) in the Qur’an Allah said, “From those too who call themselves Christians We did take a Covenant but they forgot a good part of the Message that was sent them: so We estranged them with enmity and hatred between the one and the other to the Day of Judgment. And soon will Allah show them what it is they have done.” Qur’an 5:14. Now tell me if this is not true, show me proof to disprove this revelation.

is that so? let's read this...When God says, 'Jesus, son of Mary, did you say to people, "Take me and my mother as two gods alongside God"?' he will say, 'May You be exalted! I would never say what I had no right to say—if I had said such a thing You would have known it: You know all that is within me, though I do not know what is within You, You alone have full knowledge of things unseen

if the Qur'an is the revelation of God how did Allah missed the correct concept of the Christian Trinity? Is your Allah not omniscient? this mistake means one thing...the Qur'an is not the word of God.

The verse you quote is in Qur’an 5:116, this explanation is from the Tafsir(explanation) No.829 of The Holy Qur’an English Translation by Abdullah Yusuf Ali: “Jesus disclaims here any knowledge of the sort of things that are attributed to him by those who take his name. The worship of Mary, though repudiated by the Protestants, was widely spread in the earlier churches, both in the East and the West.” The verse about trinity can be found in the Qur’an 4:171 when Allah said, “O people of the Book! commit no excesses in your religion: nor say of Allah aught but truth. Christ Jesus the son of Mary was (no more than) an Apostle of Allah and His Word which He bestowed on Mary and a Spirit proceeding from Him: so believe in Allah and His Apostles. Say not "Trinity": desist: it will be better for you: for Allah is One Allah: glory be to him: (for Exalted is He) above having a son. To Him belong all things in the heavens and on earth. And enough is Allah as a Disposer of affairs.

the bible encourages everyone to worship he One and Only God too, so I think there is no need for reaffirmation.

Again I need to reiterate this, if you believe in the One and Only True God then how come you are not in conformity with this IMPORTANT TRUTH?

sorry but I am accusing Islam for fueling more disputes among yourselves. Shia'ism,Sunni-ism,Wahabi-ism,Salafi-ism,sufi-ism and other isms w/in Islam. History shows piles of dead bodies buried in the name of these isms coming out from the qur'an.

Really! You might be blinded by the so much publicity of these distortions and supposed conflicts between the Islamic School of Thoughts that is currently projected by Western medias and agitated by the enemies just to malign Islam. I will give you one example, a Sunni Muslim can pray together with his bros and sis in the Shia, Wahhabi, Sufi school of thoughts in the same Masjid/Mosque performing the same format of worship, worshipping the same God and professing the same prophets. And by the way are you a Christian? And what denomination? Can you perform worship in the same manner as other Christian denominations together in the same church?

May I ask you to please limit your questions so as not to dominate the forum board? And let us avoid, what we called INFORMATION OVERLOAD, just like taking foods gradually and gently to digest the information.

mao man pud na iya giingon nako last wk, while ngwork cya didto sa saudi for 15 years na mao daw gioffer sa iyaha...basin ikaw wala ma-offeran ani...nindot daw kaau na offer but wala daw cya patempt....if you like to confirm it jaz come here sa amo haws adto ta sa iya clinic kay neighbor ra man mi...but dalia lng kay molarga na pud cya for Qatar

Mao ba sis, daghan man na sila didto, trying to fool other people that they were offered that kind of gifts just to embrace Islam. Pero usa ra gyud ako ikasulti nimo nga kana dakong BAKAK. In the history of Islam when Prophet Muhammad (peace and blessings be upon him) begin to spread the message of Islam that, “THERE IS ONLY ONE GOD WORTHY TO BE WORSHIPPED, HE IS ALLAH” he was offered a big fortune like to possess power, wealth and women for him to live like a king just to stop spreading the message. You knew what Prophet Muhammad(peace and blessings be upon him) answered to the Pagans of Makkah? He said to them, “Even if you give the moon on left hand and sun on my right hand I will never denounce the message that there is ONLY ONE GOD.

[mychkel]

some beliefs of muslims are good...

all i know that it was written in their kuran na nag pasabot na ang di motuo ni allah should be killed or must die..

mao nah kontra kay nila ang mga kristiano kay wa man ta too allah..jesus man ato... (if sakto ba?)

[geetarista]

Nagkatawa lagi kos mga hard core kaayo dri... Defend jud... haha

[McVos]

Which books you said are fine? And regarding the allegation that the Qur’an is copied from the bible that is not true brother. There are many evidences that disprove this, but I would just like to take for example the story of the flood that occurred in the days of the Prophet Noah(on whom be peace). This event is narrated in both the Bible and the Qur'an. A careful examination of the two versions will show that the Qur'anic version could have come from no other source but God alone. One important difference between the two accounts is that whereas the Bible describes the flood as a worldwide flood (see Genesis Ch. 7) the Qur'an mentions it as a local flood affecting the people of Noah (see Qur'an 7:59-64). Today it is acknowledged that no record exists of a worldwide flood occurring at the time specified in the Bible. How did the author of the Qur'an avoid this mistake unless the author was God Himself?

the books that you have mentioned.Of course Islamic apologists can give us thousands of reasons but the evidence cannot be denied. Many stories of the qur'an are derivatives of the bible: Creation of the world, Adam,Sons of Adam,Noah,Babel..etc. They revised it to make it appear unique like the flood story.

Muslims did not totally reject that the bible might contains some truth in it, like the first law of the Ten Commandments and Jesus affirmation of it as the most important commandment. But if you insist on it, I would like to ask, Why do Christians are not in conformity of this IMPORTANT TRUTH? Why are they keep on debating with the same bible they are believing in? Muslim knows these because it was revealed by Allah(may He be glorified) in the Qur’an Allah said, “From those too who call themselves Christians We did take a Covenant but they forgot a good part of the Message that was sent them: so We estranged them with enmity and hatred between the one and the other to the Day of Judgment. And soon will Allah show them what it is they have done.” Qur’an 5:14. Now tell me if this is not true, show me proof to disprove this revelation.

Debates among bible believers does not disprove the authenticity of the bible. It is bound to happen, different minds are scrutinizing the bible and it produces different results due to the level of intelligence each possesses. Even among Muslim scholars various tafsir of a particular ayat are being lifted out from the qur'an. You have Shia-ism, sunni-ism etc...

The verse you quote is in Qur’an 5:116, this explanation is from the Tafsir(explanation) No.829 of The Holy Qur’an English Translation by Abdullah Yusuf Ali: “Jesus disclaims here any knowledge of the sort of things that are attributed to him by those who take his name. The worship of Mary, though repudiated by the Protestants, was widely spread in the earlier churches, both in the East and the West.” The verse about trinity can be found in the Qur’an 4:171 when Allah said, “O people of the Book! commit no excesses in your religion: nor say of Allah aught but truth. Christ Jesus the son of Mary was (no more than) an Apostle of Allah and His Word which He bestowed on Mary and a Spirit proceeding from Him: so believe in Allah and His Apostles. Say not "Trinity": desist: it will be better for you: for Allah is One Allah: glory be to him: (for Exalted is He) above having a son. To Him belong all things in the heavens and on earth. And enough is Allah as a Disposer of affairs.

even the explanation you provided above shows that your allah missed the proper position of the Catholic church. They never claim Mary as gods or goddess, but your Qu'ran mistakenly calls Mary as god. That proves your qur'an is not from God.

read is...The (word) three is the predicate to an understood subject. If one accepts the Christian view that God exists in one nature (jauhar) with three divine persons, namely the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit, and (if one accept) the opinion that the person of the Father represents (God's) being (dhat), the person of the Son represents (his) knowledge ('ilm), and the person of the Holy Spirit represents (his) life (hayat), then one must supply the subject as follows: 'God is three(fold).' Otherwise, one must supply (the subject) thus: 'The gods are three.' ACCORDING TO THE EVIDENCE OF THE QUR'AN, the Christians maintain that God, Christ, and Mary are three gods, and that Christ is the child of God by Mary, AS GOD SAYS (in the Qur'an): ‘O Jesus son of Mary, didst thou say unto men: "Take me and my mother as gods, apart from God"?’ (Sura 5:116), or: ‘The Christians say: "The Messiah is the Son of God"’ (Sura 9:30). Moreover, it is well known that the Christians maintain that in Jesus are (combined) a divine nature derived from the Father and a human nature derived from his mother… At the same time these words [Sura 4:171] exclude (the Christian view) that Jesus had with God the usual relationship between sons and (their) fathers… (Helmut Gätje, The Qur'an and its Exegesis [Oneworld Publications, 1996], pp. 126-127; bold, capital and underline emphasis and words within brackets ours)


clearly your Qur'an have misrepresented the Christian Trinity as shown in the verse i gave.

Again I need to reiterate this, if you believe in the One and Only True God then how come you are not in conformity with this IMPORTANT TRUTH?

oh yes I AM.

Really! You might be blinded by the so much publicity of these distortions and supposed conflicts between the Islamic School of Thoughts that is currently projected by Western medias and agitated by the enemies just to malign Islam. I will give you one example, a Sunni Muslim can pray together with his bros and sis in the Shia, Wahhabi, Sufi school of thoughts in the same Masjid/Mosque performing the same format of worship, worshipping the same God and professing the same prophets. And by the way are you a Christian? And what denomination? Can you perform worship in the same manner as other Christian denominations together in the same church?

May I ask you to please limit your questions so as not to dominate the forum board? And let us avoid, what we called INFORMATION OVERLOAD, just like taking foods gradually and gently to digest the information.

No im not but I think you are. Your Islamic history shows a record of wars done by the caliphs and the followers of Ali and killlings of other muslims for believing a different Kalima and doctrine. don't be a liar.

really? a wahabi would never go inside a shia mosque. don't be a liar.

[JcBoY]

the books that you have mentioned.Of course Islamic apologists can give us thousands of reasons but the evidence cannot be denied. Many stories of the qur'an are derivatives of the bible: Creation of the world, Adam,Sons of Adam,Noah,Babel..etc. They revised it to make it appear unique like the flood story.

Debates among bible believers does not disprove the authenticity of the bible. It is bound to happen, different minds are scrutinizing the bible and it produces different results due to the level of intelligence each possesses. Even among Muslim scholars various tafsir of a particular ayat are being lifted out from the qur'an. You have Shia-ism, sunni-ism etc...


even the explanation you provided above shows that your allah missed the proper position of the Catholic church. They never claim Mary as gods or goddess, but your Qu'ran mistakenly calls Mary as god. That proves your qur'an is not from God.

read is...The (word) three is the predicate to an understood subject. If one accepts the Christian view that God exists in one nature (jauhar) with three divine persons, namely the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit, and (if one accept) the opinion that the person of the Father represents (God's) being (dhat), the person of the Son represents (his) knowledge ('ilm), and the person of the Holy Spirit represents (his) life (hayat), then one must supply the subject as follows: 'God is three(fold).' Otherwise, one must supply (the subject) thus: 'The gods are three.' ACCORDING TO THE EVIDENCE OF THE QUR'AN, the Christians maintain that God, Christ, and Mary are three gods, and that Christ is the child of God by Mary, AS GOD SAYS (in the Qur'an): ‘O Jesus son of Mary, didst thou say unto men: "Take me and my mother as gods, apart from God"?’ (Sura 5:116), or: ‘The Christians say: "The Messiah is the Son of God"’ (Sura 9:30). Moreover, it is well known that the Christians maintain that in Jesus are (combined) a divine nature derived from the Father and a human nature derived from his mother… At the same time these words [Sura 4:171] exclude (the Christian view) that Jesus had with God the usual relationship between sons and (their) fathers… (Helmut Gätje, The Qur'an and its Exegesis [Oneworld Publications, 1996], pp. 126-127; bold, capital and underline emphasis and words within brackets ours)


clearly your Qur'an have misrepresented the Christian Trinity as shown in the verse i gave.

oh yes I AM.

Bro McVos, I will just sum up my answers to everything you said.
As I’ve said, Muslims did not totally reject that the bible might contains some truth in it, like the first law of the Ten Commandments and Jesus affirmation of it as the most important commandment second the story of creation though the Qur’an clearly states it differently. When you said, “many stories of the Qur’an are derivatives of the bible”, these are just the affirmation of the some truths that can still be found in the bible. In addition to that, many scientific accounts in the Qur’an which cannot be found in bible that science of today confirms its authenticity. Muslims prove these scientific accounts when they developed many branches of sciences which we still enjoy today like medicine, mathematics, chemistry, geometry, astronomy and many others, these are all happens when the Muslims rules Spain for almost 8 centuries when most of Europe is in the Dark Ages and this is the most important factor that triggers the Renaissance of Europe, this era was considered by all believers as the Golden Age. Now back to the Bible, authenticity of the writers are questionable, I have yet to see a countries or even a country or most even a barangay that the Bible is the fundamental basis of laws in the land because it cannot stand. But I can tell you a country or countries that the Qur’an is the fundamental basis of laws in the land. When the Christians prayed “… Hallowed be Thy Name; Thy kingdom come, Thy will be done, on earth as it is in heaven” the Muslims are the one doing these; they make the words of God the fundamental laws of the land. Moreover, we can point many inconsistencies and discrepancies in the Bible, The Jehovah's Witnesses in their "AWAKE!" Magazine dated 8 September, 1957, carried this startling headline — "50000 ERRORS IN THE BIBLE?" see link; http://www.jamaat.net/bible/Bible4-6.html. Now is the Bible God’s Word? That’s a big question, you have to prove it! Prove also that all Christians can be one in believing one version of the bible; not KJV, not Douay Rheims, not New International Bible and many more bible versions that scattered all around the world.

As to the subject of trinity which you keep on insisting, nowhere in the bible that categorically states it clearly that god is three in one (Morag kape! ingon pa ni Soc Fernandez mora’g itlog, No offense Jk only). This is where Christianity differs from Judaism and Islam in the concept of oneness of God. God is not the author of confusion; Trinity was invented by an Alexandrian Bishop Athanasius during the Council of Nicea in 325AD composed of 300 bishops, a Christian who believe in trinity owe this doctrine to them. It can, therefore, be seen that the concept of a Trinity of divine beings was not an idea put forth by Jesus or any other prophet of God. This doctrine, now subscribed to by Christians all over the world, is entirely man-made in origin. See link;http://www.islamicweb.com/begin/trinity.htm . That’s why you were warned by Allah(may He be glorified) not to commit excesses in your religion; “O people of the Book! commit no excesses in your religion: nor say of Allah aught but truth. Christ Jesus the son of Mary was (no more than) an Apostle of Allah and His Word which He bestowed on Mary and a Spirit proceeding from Him: so believe in Allah and His Apostles. Say not "Trinity": desist: it will be better for you: for Allah is One Allah: glory be to him: (for Exalted is He) above having a son. To Him belong all things in the heavens and on earth. And enough is Allah as a Disposer of affairs.

No im not but I think you are. Your Islamic history shows a record of wars done by the caliphs and the followers of Ali and killlings of other muslims for believing a different Kalima and doctrine. don't be a liar.

really? a wahabi would never go inside a shia mosque. don't be a liar.

You are one of the many who loves to names/calls Muslim a liar, terrorist, fundamentalist and many bad attributes that any non-Muslims can spews as if you are correct but thanks be to God, you just shows to me your defeatist stance. For in truth, we Muslims know what you said. The more you spew lies, the more we strengthen our faith in Islam because we knew the Truth.

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“The only thing worse than an ignorant fanatic is an educated fanatic”

[McVos]

Bro McVos, I will just sum up my answers to everything you said.
As I’ve said, Muslims did not totally reject that the bible might contains some truth in it, like the first law of the Ten Commandments and Jesus affirmation of it as the most important commandment second the story of creation though the Qur’an clearly states it differently. When you said, “many stories of the Qur’an are derivatives of the bible”, these are just the affirmation of the some truths that can still be found in the bible. In addition to that, many scientific accounts in the Qur’an which cannot be found in bible that science of today confirms its authenticity. Muslims prove these scientific accounts when they developed many branches of sciences which we still enjoy today like medicine, mathematics, chemistry, geometry, astronomy and many others, these are all happens when the Muslims rules Spain for almost 8 centuries when most of Europe is in the Dark Ages and this is the most important factor that triggers the Renaissance of Europe, this era was considered by all believers as the Golden Age. Now back to the Bible, authenticity of the writers are questionable, I have yet to see a countries or even a country or most even a barangay that the Bible is the fundamental basis of laws in the land because it cannot stand. But I can tell you a country or countries that the Qur’an is the fundamental basis of laws in the land. When the Christians prayed “… Hallowed be Thy Name; Thy kingdom come, Thy will be done, on earth as it is in heaven” the Muslims are the one doing these; they make the words of God the fundamental laws of the land. Moreover, we can point many inconsistencies and discrepancies in the Bible, The Jehovah's Witnesses in their "AWAKE!" Magazine dated 8 September, 1957, carried this startling headline — "50000 ERRORS IN THE BIBLE?" see link; IS THE BIBLE GOD'S WORD? - By Ahmed Deedat. Now is the Bible God’s Word? That’s a big question, you have to prove it! Prove also that all Christians can be one in believing one version of the bible; not KJV, not Douay Rheims, not New International Bible and many more bible versions that scattered all around the world.

don't call me brother, you are violating an Islamic etiquette. So where is this part which you said previously were corrupted? Next time don't make a sweeping statement. Pinpoint it for us. Christian missionaries during Muhammad's era were all around Arabia preaching monotheism and sharing stories from the bible.

[Muhammad was only one of several preachers of monotheism in the Arabia of his day. (Islam: Muhammad and His Religion, Arthur Jeffery, 1958, p 85)]
[The Meccans had numerous contacts with Christians. (Muhammad's Mecca, W. Montgomery Watt, Chapter 3: Religion In Pre-Islamic Arabia, p26-45)][By the Prophet's time Christian influences were making themselves felt. (Islam in the World, Malise Ruthven, 1984, p 28-4]

the above quotes are from sources outside of the qur'an and can be a strong evidence that Muhammad shaped his own religion(monotheism and other stories) from contacts in Christianity and Judaism(ahl kitab or people of the book).

Regarding the claim of scientific accuracy, I say its untrue. Read this.."(God is) the One Who created the night, the day, the sun and the moon. Each one is travelling in an orbit with its own motion." (21:33) The old notion of the sun circling around the earth is implied in this verse. you call that scientific accuracy? nah. Chemistry and all the other sciences you've mentioned were not originally founded by Islam. The research and discoveries were made by people who later converted because Islam invaded their territory.

On the 5,000 erros in the bible, have you read all of them? I bet you haven't and that makes you a victim of unschooled propaganda by the JW's. Scholars have refuted this already.

Christianity and the bible is all about a message of salvation not formulas of how to set up a government.

As to the subject of trinity which you keep on insisting, nowhere in the bible that categorically states it clearly that god is three in one (Morag kape! ingon pa ni Soc Fernandez mora’g itlog, No offense Jk only). This is where Christianity differs from Judaism and Islam in the concept of oneness of God. God is not the author of confusion; Trinity was invented by an Alexandrian Bishop Athanasius during the Council of Nicea in 325AD composed of 300 bishops, a Christian who believe in trinity owe this doctrine to them. It can, therefore, be seen that the concept of a Trinity of divine beings was not an idea put forth by Jesus or any other prophet of God. This doctrine, now subscribed to by Christians all over the world, is entirely man-made in origin. See link;Who Invented the Trinity? . That’s why you were warned by Allah(may He be glorified) not to commit excesses in your religion; “O people of the Book! commit no excesses in your religion: nor say of Allah aught but truth. Christ Jesus the son of Mary was (no more than) an Apostle of Allah and His Word which He bestowed on Mary and a Spirit proceeding from Him: so believe in Allah and His Apostles. Say not "Trinity": desist: it will be better for you: for Allah is One Allah: glory be to him: (for Exalted is He) above having a son. To Him belong all things in the heavens and on earth. And enough is Allah as a Disposer of affairs.

That's correct because we never say that it is 3 in one. This is a straw man's argument. The bible says "Hear o Israel the Lord your God is One God". But your Qur'an says that the trinity is composed of God,Jesus,Mary. How did allah with all his power missed the proper concept of the Christian trinity? well, there is only one explanation, your Qur'an is not the word from God and allah is the author of confusion.

read this...The (word) three is the predicate to an understood subject. If one accepts the Christian view that God exists in one nature (jauhar) with three divine persons, namely the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit, and (if one accept) the opinion that the person of the Father represents (God's) being (dhat), the person of the Son represents (his) knowledge ('ilm), and the person of the Holy Spirit represents (his) life (hayat), then one must supply the subject as follows: 'God is three(fold).' Otherwise, one must supply (the subject) thus: 'The gods are three.' ACCORDING TO THE EVIDENCE OF THE QUR'AN, the Christians maintain that God, Christ, and Mary are three gods, and that Christ is the child of God by Mary, AS GOD SAYS (in the Qur'an): ‘O Jesus son of Mary, didst thou say unto men: "Take me and my mother as gods, apart from God"?’ (Sura 5:116), or: ‘The Christians say: "The Messiah is the Son of God"’ (Sura 9:30). Moreover, it is well known that the Christians maintain that in Jesus are (combined) a divine nature derived from the Father and a human nature derived from his mother… At the same time these words [Sura 4:171] exclude (the Christian view) that Jesus had with God the usual relationship between sons and (their) fathers… (Helmut Gätje, The Qur'an and its Exegesis [Oneworld Publications, 1996], pp. 126-127; bold, capital and underline emphasis and words within brackets ours)
tsk tsk...Allah got confused eh?


Athanasius simply laid own the proper doctrine of the Godhead.

You are one of the many who loves to names/calls Muslim a liar, terrorist, fundamentalist and many bad attributes that any non-Muslims can spews as if you are correct but thanks be to God, you just shows to me your defeatist stance. For in truth, we Muslims know what you said. The more you spew lies, the more we strengthen our faith in Islam because we knew the Truth.

oh no, please don't go there...show me any post where i called Muslims as terrorists, fundamentalists? please don't turn this around. I called you a liar because you lied about the bloody history of the caliphs and the followers of Ali were they killed each other in the name of the Qur'an and even now it is happening in some parts of the middle east. No tis isn't a lie. Are you trying to cover up this shameful facts in your religion? tsk tsk...

[JcBoY]

@McVos(from now on I will no longer call you brother that’s from you ,not from us), don’t go around and make a lengthy discussion in this thread trying hard to discredit the authenticity of the Qur’an, for once and until the end of the world the Qur’an prove its worth, it was able to change people and nation into a humane and civilized society , that is history, it was made operational laws in more than 50 countries in the world. Scientific Revelations in the Qur’an were confirmed by science and that’s a fact. If you mean that the bible is not concern about laws in governmental functions then it does not serve its purpose. Islam with all its glory covers the whole aspects of man’s life and to the Muslims it is the Moral Force on earth. God does not leave His people disorganize and in total confusion that’s why he sent Prophets and Messengers with revelations to guide them. Islam has more to offer to humanity and what’s yours. You are a typical Christian missionary determine to sow confusion from among yourselves not the Muslims, because as I have said, we have the TRUTH. And don’t let me spell the truth in your bible for I’m not going to do it here to avoid resentments from among Christians for once in my life I was a Christian too, any sincere Christians will go to that links that I have been given in my previous post.

I will leave you this challenge, a revelation from the Qur’an as a Christian;

From those too who call themselves Christians We did take a Covenant but they forgot a good part of the Message that was sent them: so We estranged them with enmity and hatred between the one and the other to the Day of Judgment. And soon will Allah show them what it is they have done. Qur’an 5:14

I doubt if you can disprove this, because records shows more and more Christians denominations sprung up from just one bible with many versions and everyone is claiming to have the truth. Take note, you can never reconcile your differences until the Day of Judgment.

I don’t have to defend Islam in any attacks from non-Muslims, all I have to do is to share what I know for Allah(may He be glorified) reveals in the Qur’an;
Fain would they extinguish Allah's light with their mouths but Allah will not allow but that His light should be perfected even though the unbelievers may detest (it). It is He who hath sent His apostle with guidance and religion of truth to proclaim it over all religions even though the pagans may detest (it). Qur’an 9:32-33

Proof to this is more and more people embrace Islam not just here in the Philippines but around the world, it is not a phenomena but a revelation from God. And Islam is the fastest growing religion in the world

Dong, when you say, There is only ONE GOD I agree with you because that is the TRUTH, but when you say GOD is THREE in ONE then I will say to you, YOU ARE LOST! Because that is illogical and cannot be accepted in whatever logical thoughts you think you have.

TRUTH is SIMPLE if it is NOT SIMPLE it is NOT TRUTH!

Debates and disputes will lead us to nothing; any sincere seekers of truth will know who speak the truth;


So if they dispute with thee say: "I have submitted my whole self to Allah and so have those who follow me." And say to the people of the Book and to those who are unlearned: "Do ye (also) submit yourselves?" If they do they are in right guidance but if they turn back thy duty is to convey the Message; and in Allah's sight are (all) His servants. Qur’an 3:20

[konzkript]

Ok then, maybe i am a MOSLEM, and i hate you all non-moslem infidels, i despise your very existence, i want all your heads rolling like hard feces down the hill, i hate what you represents, i want to go to heaven where 70 maidens waiting for me.

Or maybe I am a Christian, and i hate you Moslems, i hate your guts, you are a decadent race and a bunch of degenerates, i want you all impaled like Vlad Dracula did to the turks.

Or maybe i'm a f*cking Jew, son of Abraham f*cking kike, and i hate you all gentiles!

Or maybe i just don't give a f*ck.

[konzkript]

So, what are you trying to mean by your post bro/sis? Blabbing as if you are one of the righteous man doesn't make sense to me by the way you choose the words to describe others. Peace is hard to achieve when some people out of their ignorance and hatred assume supremacy of their twisted ideology.

Jcboy, what do u know bout peace? what is your idea of peace? Boy George, Elton John and Freddie Mercury have something in common bout their ideas of peace-- a BOY-LOVERS' idea.