Father Suarez Shrine worth 1 Billion pesos

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for me, in my opinion - ( this is not in reply to anybody's post)

still its very expensive... thats 1 billion and even if that 1 BILLION includes other facilities, i cannot support the idea of clustering it in only 1 shire/place... 1 billion is a LOT of money and it can help a lot of people.. i guess if all catholics will contribute.. we can get that amount.. but for me i will support and donate if at least they will not cluster it in just 1 shrine.. share it to different provinces, specially in mindanao where our catholic population is not that high.

let me share 1 example.. i attended a mass before ( iforgot the date) in sto rosario church.. for the 2nd collection, a priest from the province of sulu was asking for donations for their church's renovation.. they only had a population of less than 500 catholics and the parishoners cannot support the renovation expense that is why they were in cebu to ask for donations...

i dont think i need to present some facts for this, just go to church every sunday and listen what your 2nd collection is for..

my point is that 1 billion for the church is not a problem.. but 1 billion for 1 shrine in 1 town/area is not a good idea.. we have a lot of catholics here in the philippines.. people in mindanao and other poor provinces ( catholics or not) they also need help and a fraction of that billion will really help them big time..

Kabasa ka ani Manny? lolz facts ba oist.. lolz..wa nakay lain script ana? its very obvious you have nothing to say on this topic rather than facts.. so poor... is it really hard to accept the truth ha.. denial mode

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For those who really want to study this, I suggest they go to Tacloban City. One of the most popular attractions there is after all Sto. Niño Shrine, built by Imelda Marcos. Are those entrance fees paying off for their "investment"? Or do we need to build a 400-million-peso statue in this shrine to attract more tourists? After all, the funds for the shrine came from Imelda's personal funds and "donations" in which donators specified she can spend at her own whim.

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You're right. Maybe it's time to close this thread. The threadstarter began it with WRONG INFORMATION and so far REFUSES to find the facts. It has become a thread that attacks Fr. Suarez based on HEARSAY. What's the point then?

The information we have so far clearly shows that the project WILL include such facilities.

Charitable institutions cannot rely on donations ALONE. Many such charities have great difficulties maintaining operations if they do not have stable sources of funds. That is why many of them make investments. The amount invested is not relevant as long as the return is commensurate and timely. There is no prohibition against charitable institutions making investments, unlike whta some others are trying to imply. The Church is allowed to make investments and raise funds through activities other than donations. There is nothing illegal or unethical about that.

He never said that the donations are his property. This is another baseless accusation. Based on HEARSAY.

Are you requesting to close this thread? Why? because you and your FACTS are getting pawned by Common sense here? pity... I don't remember someone here getting off-topic or getting too personal but you.

Charitable Institutions cannot rely on DONATIONS? WTF! You mean, The Church needs more than what they get? Why? Is the airconditioning unit too hot for the Priests? are SUV's too cheap for them to ride? Do they still need soft comfy arm chairs? or maybe more expensive rolex watches? LIVING A LUXURIOUS LIFE ISN'T BECOMING OF A PRIEST MANNY! What does the Catholic teachings preach us? LIVING IN MISERY BUT FULL OF SACRIFICES IS LIVING RIGHT BESIDE GOD! They should practice what they preach. WTF! cannot rely on donations? What do they want? a billion worth of Church amenities?

The amount invested is not relevant as long as the return is commensurate and timely. There is no prohibition against charitable institutions making investments, unlike whta some others are trying to imply. The Church is allowed to make investments and raise funds through activities other than donations. There is nothing illegal or unethical about that.

The amount invested is not relevant? you mean if all the priest in the Philippines follow what Fr. Suarez is doing and proposed another 1 Billion project is will still not become relevant? What? You can just say to the people "hey, we wanna build this, Please donate!" BS!!!

And yes the Church is allowed to make investments but we do not question that. We question the amount of the investment

The Narrow and Wide Gates
13"(K)Enter through the narrow gate; for the gate is wide and the way is broad that leads to destruction, and there are many who enter through it.
14"For the gate is small and the way is narrow that leads to life, and there are few who find it.

remember this manny? this is the Bible! that is not hearsay!

He never said that the donations are his property. This is another baseless accusation. Based on [B]HEARSAY

Are you with Father Suarez 24/7? Where you there when he had a speech at CIT before? He mentioned it! He said: "He will fund his project (the 1 billion shrine) with the help of his institutions." Verify it! This project has been conceptualized even before this thread or even before you got your FACTS!

and you still haven't answered one of my questions! you're more talk and more denials but no answers. In short you're full of BS!! Is it really that hard to accept the fact that this project isn't feasible in the eyes of hungry Filipinos? in the eyes of uneducated Filipinos (because the Church choose not to support the RH bill and urges to make babies more), in the eyes of the sick and dying Filipinos? Is it that hard manny?

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and you still haven't answered one of my questions! you're more talk and more denials but no answers. In short you're full of BS!! Is it really that hard to accept the fact that this project isn't feasible in the eyes of hungry Filipinos? in the eyes of uneducated Filipinos (because the Church choose not to support the RH bill and urges to make babies more), in the eyes of the sick and dying Filipinos? Is it that hard manny?

hehe correct... he will duck your question if ma-apiki... And will just use hearsay alibi lolz... Pathetic!...

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For those who really want to study this, I suggest they go to Tacloban City. One of the most popular attractions there is after all Sto. Niño Shrine, built by Imelda Marcos. Are those entrance fees paying off for their "investment"? Or do we need to build a 400-million-peso statue in this shrine to attract more tourists? After all, the funds for the shrine came from Imelda's personal funds and "donations" in which donators specified she can spend at her own whim.

Tourism business ang goal ani...Nothing more nothing less...
..Its not about the service of God anymore.. Ing-ani najud ang mentality sa mga pari.. "LOVE OF MONEY, NOT LOVE OF GOD"

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Worth 1 billion gyud? Daghan wawarts aning pari-a gud.

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Tourism business ang goal ani...Nothing more nothing less...
..Its not about the service of God anymore.. Ing-ani najud ang mentality sa mga pari.. "LOVE OF MONEY, NOT LOVE OF GOD"

Problem is they suck in the tourism business! Who would like to see this huge statue? Sorry, but the idea of going to see this statue has no appeal to me, whatsoever. Even for free, am not willing to take a two-hour ride to see something like this. This statue will just be a white elephant, costing more to maintain than generating revenue to anyone (including Fr. Sanchez himself). When that happens, more donations please!

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This statue will just be a white elephant, costing more to maintain than generating revenue to anyone (including Fr. Sanchez himself)

And of course you have all the proof needed to back up this ridiculous claim... NOT!

Why don't you try getting the facts FIRST before making a claim? Then you will at least look like you did some half-decent thinking.

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my point is that 1 billion for the church is not a problem.. but 1 billion for 1 shrine in 1 town/area is not a good idea.. we have a lot of catholics here in the philippines..

Perhaps. You may be right (or you may be wrong). Let the facts speak for themselves.

But if you look at the start of the thread, the one who started it never even bothered to verify the facts. That is why he mistakenly thought it was a billion for the statue alone. This is irresponsible and unfair.

Now if he had the decency to get the facts FIRST and then make a case against Fr. Suarez's project, there would not have been a problem. But he went on basing his attacks on HEARSAY and making silly excuses NOT to get the facts.

But I guess that's expecting way too much.

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Problem is they suck in the tourism business! Who would like to see this huge statue? Sorry, but the idea of going to see this statue has no appeal to me, whatsoever. Even for free, am not willing to take a two-hour ride to see something like this. This statue will just be a white elephant, costing more to maintain than generating revenue to anyone (including Fr. Sanchez himself). When that happens, more donations please!

Exactly! 1 Billion worth of structure will cost as high to maintain. Well, they can always ask the poor Filipino families for donations anyway so it won't matter to them. Church is a dire entity of Business! So that has been proven by common-sense.

But if you look at the start of the thread, the one who started it never even bothered to verify the facts. That is why he mistakenly thought it was a billion for the statue alone. This is irresponsible and unfair.

Now if he had the decency to get the facts FIRST and then make a case against Fr. Suarez's project, there would not have been a problem. But he went on basing his attacks on HEARSAY and making silly excuses NOT to get the facts.

more BS talks! but no questions are answered! I'm telling you, if Fr. Suarez didn't even bother to proclaim his project by getting it public "PRESS CON" that is. Then why should I be any different? I'm basing on common sense. We always have you at our palms when you speak of HEARSAY, are you settling for another HEARSAY BS! again? cause I'm up for it. If you don't have anything to talk or any answers for our questions then at least try to comprehend on the posts. Your hearsay alibi grows weaker everytime you use it. My common sense is HEARSAY? BUT YOUR COPY PASTED ARTICLES from the INTERNET are FACTS?

if this is programming you are like a syntax error! always doing the same thing but has achieved nothing!