View Poll Results: Do we need this Bill?

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  1. #261

    Quote Originally Posted by johnny22aa View Post
    brader, if u keep on posting about massive corruption, war, indiscriminate debt servicing, economic choochoo, then u are on the wrong thread. again, this is not an economic issue.
    The very authors of the Bill DISAGREE with you. For them, it IS also an economic issue. They want to address what they wrongly see as "overpopulation". In fact, addressing "overpopulation" has been one of the main justifications for this Bill. It is even stated in the Bill itself! See Section 2 declaration of Policy, third paragraph; Section 3 Guiding Principles, #5; and Section 16 ideal Family Size. Look at the title of the Bill. Can't you see the words "Population Development" there?

    The Bill's authors and advocates, of course, are totally wrong on the population issue, but that is still one of their main purposes for this Bill.

    Have you actually read the proposed Bill? How in the world can you support a Bill you have not even read?

    Here's the URL. Try reading the Bill.
    http://docs.google.com/Doc?id=dgdp8vjs_4t9kmvwgr&hl=en
    Last edited by mannyamador; 08-28-2008 at 11:36 AM.

  2. #262
    OT. wow, mannyamador, fulltime ka gyud diri!!! too much blah! as per main purpose on this thread, you loose, 8 vs 28... no contest.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pandisal View Post
    OT. wow, mannyamador, fulltime ka gyud diri!!! too much blah! as per main purpose on this thread, you loose, 8 vs 28... no contest.
    sagdi lang gud bro...he he..

    at least we give our views why we do not support this bill...

  4. #264
    OT. Mao... hehehe, its just some people love to hate changes... sometimes, problems needs
    to be solve on different angle.. (example poverty)... one is the population bill, yes its not perfect
    since catholic church does not agree with it... but its a first step.

    Quote Originally Posted by r3roble View Post
    sagdi lang gud bro...he he..

    at least we give our views why we do not support this bill...

  5. #265
    Better of what? individually or as a whole

    If you're talking as a whole, it will get better because the government has more money to pay for the remaining taxes which will empower the peso, (pro's: might lower the price of oil and foreign commodities, cons: add burden to the OFW'S and our exporters), build more infastructures, etc.

    If you're talking about individually, that's not true, many people think the government is a "genie in a bottle" figure, whether a country is corrupt or not, you have to work on your own to prosper.
    Both di ba? If for the whole there is more money for those things like infrastructures, then that will also help individual people to earn more from their work. But they have to work. If they don't work and wait for the government, then they go nowhere, even if they are few in population. So fighting corruption is a key step.

  6. #266
    Quote Originally Posted by mannyamador View Post
    The very authors of the Bill DISAGREE with you. For them, it IS also an economic issue. They want to address what they wrongly see as "overpopulation". In fact, addressing "overpopulation" has been one of the main justifications for this Bill. It is even stated in the Bill itself! See Section 2 declaration of Policy, third paragraph; Section 3 Guiding Principles, #5; and Section 16 ideal Family Size. Look at the title of the Bill. Can't you see the words "Population Development" there?

    The Bill's authors and advocates, of course, are totally wrong on the population issue, but that is still one of their main purposes for this Bill.

    Have you actually read the proposed Bill? How in the world can you support a Bill you have not even read?

    Here's the URL. Try reading the Bill.
    Consolidated Bill on Reproduc...

    brader, YOU are d only one hu fantasizes and keeps on dreaming about the economic ek ek of this bill. yes, there is an economic issue here. but this is NOT their main agenda. it's like a sidekick of the star of the show. and i dont know again y u keep on dreaming more about the title. my god, the title itself, reproductive health and POPULATION DEV'T. there u see the word, reproductive? and population dev't could also mean human dev't in good numbers? so, in short, this is a health issue & the economic matter of this bill is the nowhere to be found in the title itself. how much more in the contents. section ek ek, paragraph choo choo. again, brader. dream on. keep on dreaming.

    again, this is a reproductive health matter. overpopulation is reality and is really happening. it just happens that our country is really overpopulated and overpopulated. and is overpopulated. and is really overpopulated. and is overpopulated. and many of us saw the significance on how this bill could be a great ally to curb overpopulation itself. brader, its not only overpopulation that is going to be addressed by this bill. it is also the people's right to know about safe and proper reproductive health. that's why, this is where the significance of series of formal education takes place. and this should begin by the time people are still young (school years, adolescent years). also, this is where the economic significance of this bill stands. few numbers, people are knowledgeable, ergo, a better citizenry. and im pretty sure brader, u don't want our people to be educated because you just want them to be ignoramus magnamus datum bolum prapra, and in short. u just want 'em to be just like YOU. (same thing w/ wat the church is doing). so again brader, d economic significance of this bill is just an effect of the bigger picture, which is a safe reproductive health. so, i can easily stand out and say THE MAIN REASON FOR THE CREATION OF THIS BILL IS HEALTH, NOT ECONOMICS. this bill could only be economics IN YOUR DREAMS.

    again, about corruption, war, economics, debt relief, pork barrel, blah blah. check these things on another thread, NOT here. better on another website.

  7. #267
    i couldnt agree more bro! nice one. the less information given to the public, the better for the church

    in short, if more people are as ignoramus maximus as him, better for the church. how would the church survive if people are already informed? wahehehe

  8. #268
    Quote Originally Posted by johnny22aa View Post
    yes, there is an economic issue here. but this is NOT their main agenda. it's like a sidekick of the star of the show... so, in short, this is a health issue & the economic matter of this bill is the nowhere to be found in the title itself. how much more in the contents. section ek ek, paragraph choo choo.
    Have you read the Bill? Apparently not. I have listed the sections where the Bill explicitly makes economic justifications. If you're too lazy to read those sections then you really have no idea what you're yapping about.

    It looks like you're now backtracking on your previous posts. where you made a big deal about "overpopulation" and its effect on the economy. Now that you've been unable to prove your point and have been soundly beaten, you're trying to change the issue. That deceptive tactic might fool the likes of you, but it is easily exposed. Sorry, bud, but overpopulation is a myth and that myth is one of the main justifications for the Bill.

    Just look at the comments on Istorya from the supporters of the Bill. They keep talking about overpopulation. For example, in MSG 256: "If this bill aims to slow down population growth, I will support this." It's obviously an economic issue for those who support the Bill too. Or can't you read?

    again, about corruption, war, economics, debt relief, pork barrel, blah blah. check these things on another thread, NOT here. better on another website.
    Aaaw, what's the matter? Is the intellectual challenge too much for you? You can't stand someone exposing how weak your arguments are? Tsk tsk...
    Last edited by mannyamador; 08-29-2008 at 05:52 PM.

  9. #269
    The more that this bill should not push through because its useless. Not anti-corruption, not economic...
    The only useless purpose of this bill is to subsidize contraception. Formal *** education? Its just an icing on a rotten cake.
    Bro, please give a sample computation of how much money we will spend to bring down the population growth to 0.9% in a target implementation period. And please bro, don't answer me with "Its cheaper to supply a person with his daily condoms than sending a child to his classroom". That's obviously not the answer I am asking for.
    Quote Originally Posted by johnny22aa View Post
    brader, if u keep on posting about massive corruption, war, indiscriminate debt servicing, economic choochoo, then u are on the wrong thread. again, this is not an economic issue, nor an anti-war or an anti-corruption bill. we are talking about sound reproductive health here & formal *** education. i suggest u create another place to express your wrong & irrelevant concern, not here.

  10. #270
    Quote Originally Posted by mannyamador View Post
    overpopulation is a myth
    Dude, you don't have to elaborate any further on your view. You just said the magic phrase and I totally agree with this.

    Nothing to fear but the fear mongers themselves.

    Passing a bill or act is not inherently wrong as long as that is not fueled by ignorance of the issue in the first place. Hay, too much reaction to the hype.

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