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[Resurgence]

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i think i already answered that. but to rephrase also my answer since you dint seem to catch my point. it's not necessarily that the bible is the only one that we can base our faith on, but this is the ONLY source of information that we acknowledge as infallible. meaning, this is the only thing that we are sure does not err. yes, our basis of faith can be based on other things, and in your case your pope, but we dont really acknowledge the word of a mere human as infallible. it says in Romans 3:23 "For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God" and i doubt your pope is an exception to that.

now you ask me why when it was never mentioned in the bible? i will also throw you the same question, is there anything also in the bible that says we should do otherwise?

sa ato pa, ang ubang Scriptures ky faulty? And only the Bible is infallible?

simply one-sided rman ghpn ni in my opinion. Still containing God's glories in one book. As if they can be contained.

The Bible is authoritative and infallible, yes. But God's glories and potency cannot be contained in one book. But, without the guidance of a bonafide representative of God, anything you get out of the Bible becomes subject to mental speculation. And who is a bonafide representative of God? One who follows Jesus' commandments and who preaches that Love for God is the only thing that can bring the true happiness for which we have been seeking for.

Sakto pud ka na dapat discerning ang tao. But God will see if you truly want to know him and will help get in contact with his representative. He knows what's inside our hearts and minds. If we truly want to know him, he will show us the way to him. If makita nya nga for show lang imong "prayers", then dad.on ka nya sa mangingilad. Simple.

[ketllac]

@ilovedogs

Bisayaon nln nko beh kay murag nglisud kag samot sa akong pasabot.

wa ko nag lisod ang imo gipasabot bisan eninglish pato. hehehehe. kaw lay ni react sa ako post..unya kung naka sabot pa sad ka nganong di man ka maka provide ug counter argument nganong conflicting ang doctrines sa mga protestants nga maka hatag ug flaws sa sola scriptura.
Kasabot ko oi nga the word only the bible lang but it doesnt mean nga ang uban sources sa doctrine are invalid. sola scriptura per se considers other authorities are subordinate to the written word of God. The only thing nga nganong mo believe mo ani is kay unlike sa katoliko di mo ka claim about anang apostolic succession kay produkto man inyo church sa protesta.

But kng infallibility na gani isturyahan, meaning sa kareliable, kamatinud-anun, kasaligan ang BIBLE ra jd among gituohan nga dili masayop.

We believe that the bible and the Magisterium (Church/Pope's authority) are both infallible. Mao ng di mi motuo nga the only infallible source kay klaro man sa bible nga ang church maoy pillar of truth. Si Pope infallible because historically and biblically we can give you hundreds of evidences from experts, historians ,and independent sources nga naa ang simbahan is one, universal, and apostolic. He has the authority as a leader of the Church considering biblical accounts and historical accounts.

Ingon ko sa uban nko post pwd pd nga sakto inyong santo papa but wala mi assurance kng tinuod ba jd or sakto because it's not something taken frm the bible.

Let us tackle this topic. Can the bible talk without an interpreter? A book is just a book. It doesnt talk. The infallibility lies on the interpreter if you don't have the authority.Yes the book is infallible but the book cannot interpret by itself. It needs an expert an authority that has an apostolic succession from Christ to Peter and up to this modern generation which is the pope. di ba niignon ang bible nga "And I tell you that you are Peter, and on this rock I will build my church, and the gates of Hades will not overcome it. Now kinsa man ng Church? katong bag o lang natukod o natukod with time line mga maka prove? That is why we believe that the Church and the bible are infallible. They need each other. Maka decide ba ang book ug walay authority. Pareha ra na sa pangutana nga Maka decide ba ang ato constitution sa pilipinas kung wala ang supreme court ug constitutional commission.?

Mao ng daghan conflicting doctrines sa protestant kay wala may authority nga gi tan aw. mao ng maka mugna tag simbahan. Mao sad ng nangsulpot ang mga relihiyon nga murag uhong. Naa diay libre franchise ang mga believers ? mura diay tree planting nga kung maka interpret na dayon mugna dayon sekta..remember wala sa bible nga mag mugna tag churchessss. Unya kaklaro anang hapit na mag 2000 ka official Protestant churches wa pay labot ang mga kulto ha.

Klaro na? Ingon ko sa uban nko post pwd pd nga sakto inyong santo papa but wala mi assurance kng tinuod ba jd or sakto because it's not something taken frm the bible.

Wala moy assurance kay nag mugna man ang pag kabulag bulag sa kristiano atong time nga si Luther ni buhat iyaha church pinaagi sa protesta. Klarong pag ka istorya ang imo church is a product from protest dili apostolic. Why you Criticize the pope nga in the first ang mga church father including the popes were the ones compiled the bible. Wala ng bibiliya karon nga imong gigunitan kung wala ang simbahan. remember nganong 4 gospels ra man ang naa ron nga pwerti man daghana man na sa una. Answeri ra gud tong pangutana ni necroticfreak. again learn about Simon Magus nga imong gi post ganina and you will know nga daghan heretics texts before usa na siya. Hypocrito paminawon nga ni tuo kag bible pero gi criticize nimo ang nag mugna aron mahimo ang mga books into bible. bible simply means a compilation of written texts. Kung walay authority ang popes ug ang church nganong motuo man kag bible nga gikan man na sa Katoliko nga hinaguan. Kung ifollow nato imo logic walay credibility ang church wala say credibility ang bible.

maguol mn ka ug lain2x among sabut nga inig atubang natu sa Ginoo kami bitaw manubag sa among gituohan kng sayup mn gani. pro salamat sa imong pagcare =p

wa ko naguol. gi base lang nako ang argument sa imong reasoning about sola scriptura. Murag kani nga part imong gustong likayan. sakto ba ko..? gusto ka debatehan nato ni maayo.

Luther might be the first protestant but it does not necessarily mean nga iyang mga beliefs is also what we believe at the time luther might hv said that (im not really sure if he really did), there was not mch studies done to trace back the history of roman catholic. So iyang knowlEdge then might be limited.

Di ba kusog ka moingon nga daghang studies nga dili ma trace ang time line sa katoliko pero gitagaan ta ka mismo info nga mismo inyo author ang nag sulte nga authentic ang katoliko pero likayan nimo. moadto ka sa lain study. besides sige kag ingon anang study pero wala pakay na hatag nga excerpts, links from the independent source. Mostly ninyo ang inyo link kay gikan ra sad ninyo whereas ako mismo gyud sa inyo first founder.

Credible si Luther sa iyahang pag concede isip unang leader sa inyo simbahan kay historically speaking sya ang duol duol sa time line. Karon mga study questionable ang credibility copmpared sa time nga syay duol sa info before kay when we talk about history ang pinaka credible nga source kato gyung naa mismo mao tong first hand experience, then handed down. Consider this ang history about ni Rizal, Kinsa may imong tuohan nga historical account? katong published in 1887 o publish atong 1981? Ang ubang sources ron nag depende na sa time line. Mao nay gitawag ug historicity. Kuha mo.? klaro na?

[ketllac]

Before you react and say bias read the discussion and the points presented there as Catholics also have posted replies to the arguments being presented there. And to correct you, I am not a protestant. My religion is Jesus Christ and not Baptist, Fundamental, Catholic nor Evangelical. I truly believe that I am saved by the grace of the Lord Jesus Christ our Savior. Cross referencing will get you nowhere, there are a lot of arguments and debates over what is wrong and what is not. It started long ago and it will not end any time soon.
The site might be from non-catholics but the arguments being presented are based on the Bible.

Each and every religion will continue to debate who is wrong and who is right but the thing is, does it really save you? It is up for you to try and open your eyes to the truth or just stay and believe in what has been presented to you since birth. It only takes an open mind to understand what is the truth out there. This isn't just about Catholicism and religion for us who have Faith, it's about who gets saved or not.

tagaan ta kag analogy nijazared;

Ang rules of court bisan asa ka pa sa kalibutan. dili pwede mo hatag taas credibility sa usa ka witness kung mo witness ka kauban sa imong pamilya o igsoon, anak, ginikanan, nga imo ipang himakak nga wala syay kalapasan nabuhat sa balaod. kay bias ka. tagaan ka man ug credibility pero gamay ra kumpara sa walay relationship nimo. Kuha nimo...

[ketllac]

OT id appreciate it if you refrain from dragging my dogs into this. I dnt think loving dogs have any bearing to my conduct in this forum if you want to make a healthy conversation, go straight to the point nlng. Oks?

I'm just kidding...correlation doesn't mean causation..Sorry miss.....

[nijazared]

How can you expect to know the truth if you have a crab mentality?

[ketllac]

haaaahahaa. sige kuno.. Please Connect crab mentality to what I have posted?

[pboi]

asa kaha ko ani nabelong. hehe

[malic_2]

nice exchanges of ideas guys but let us not go off topic. At present we are tackling the issue of Sola Scriptura. onya ra ng Peter og issues about sa Catholic Church.

Asa naman tong mga fundamentalists? this is now your chance to defend your faith.

I think ilovedogs doesn't hold the doctrine of Sola Scriptura.

again the question is nganong motoo man mo sa Sola Scriptura nga wa man na sa bible?

[necrotic freak]

Exactly, religion will not save you ^_^ bsan magpatay patag debate diri kng wa ra ghapOn tay relationship sa Ginoo, dili ra gihapon ta maluwas mao na nga be very careful in what you believe, kng kng ijudge na ta dili rba pwd muingon 'ang2x beh ingon mn sila mao ni ang sakto'

Mao gani ngbilin ang Ginoo ug kasulatan (bible) pra naa tay guide unsaon nato pagpanginabuhi aning kalibutana sa dili pa sya mubalik. Ok ramn maminaw ta sa sulti sa uban pro dpat inyo idiscern kng sakto ba jd to iyang gisulti, basa kag bible pra pd di ka ignorante unya dali ra patuuhon sa uban.

hello doglover, what we are doing in this forum is only to DEFEND our religion. we're not debating here to get saved for christ sake.

say what? nag bilin ang Ginoo ug bible? asa man ka naka kuha ug info ana? gisugo ba sa Ginoo ang mga apostoles sa pagsulat sa iyang mga pulong samtang naa pa siya sa kalibutan?

sa gospel of St. Matthew mangutana ko nimo, unsay gibilin ni Jesus Christ, Bible or Church?

[redhorse1L]

Kamo nalang question anang ilovedogs, kay i love dogs sad baya.. hehehehe