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[mannyamador]

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[img width=430 height=349]http://www.prolife.org.ph/ezimagecatalogue/catalogue/variations/162-430x700.gif[/img]
TFR = Births Per Woman in her lifetime.
TFR of 2.4 is Zero Population Growth
The Philippines may be at negative population growth by 2010 if the trend continues.
Manila's TFR is already BELOW replacement level

[yataoy]

The bottomline is that you don't cure a disease by attacking the symptoms.

Not a single one of you has been able to show that "overpopulation" causes poverty. None of you have been able to show a causal link. I'm still waiting for you to present REAL EVIDENCE, not your silly assumptions.

bugua nimo oy!

wala ma'y miingon na "overpopulation causes poverty." gago man diay ka!

ang gisulti sa kadaghanan diri mao nga "overpopulation makes it hard to solve poverty."

bugo! :

puros lang ka bagutbot oy!

On the other hand, there is ample evidence that population has nothing to do with causing poverty. There si no such thing as "bloating population." In fact, Philippine population growth has been dropping drastically, as well as its Total Fertility Rate (TFR).

wala lagi miingon nga "population causes poverty", tangaa nimo oy! unsa man ka? kulang og braincells?

But greed and injustice DO have something to do with causing poverty.

hoy, apil sad ang tapol oy. kon tapulan ang tawo og di siya ganahan motrabaho, mapobre gyud siya. unya kon sigi lang gyud syag "k-yat" sa iyang asawa kay wala lagi laing mabuhat, modaghan ang ilang anak. mosamot ang ilang pagkapobre!

bugo gyud ka, mannyamador!

Try thinking first.

piskot, nanginsulto pa gyud ni si bugo-boy.

kuwang gyod kag kulata, dong.

[migzz]

The bottomline is that you don't cure a disease by attacking the symptoms.

Not a single one of you has been able to show that "overpopulation" causes poverty. None of you have been able to show a causal link. I'm still waiting for you to present REAL EVIDENCE, not your silly assumptions.

On the other hand, there is ample evidence that population has nothing to do with causing poverty. There si no such thing as "bloating population." In fact, Philippine population growth has been dropping drastically, as well as its Total Fertility Rate (TFR).

But greed and injustice DO have something to do with causing poverty.

Try thinking first.

silly enough that you cant present your evidence in your own terms... tsk... way nada kig lalis nimo oi... puro lang ka mga cut & paste... anyway we'll just wait... i dont believe we have a falling birth rate... kung naa man gani... nganu ni taas man atong population... ni gamay ang nanganak kay nakasabot naman sila nga lisud gyud kung daghan bata... uban dili kakaun... dili kaeskwela...

[yataoy]

The bottomline is that you don't cure a disease by attacking the symptoms.

Not a single one of you has been able to show that "overpopulation" causes poverty. None of you have been able to show a causal link. I'm still waiting for you to present REAL EVIDENCE, not your silly assumptions.

On the other hand, there is ample evidence that population has nothing to do with causing poverty. There si no such thing as "bloating population." In fact, Philippine population growth has been dropping drastically, as well as its Total Fertility Rate (TFR).

But greed and injustice DO have something to do with causing poverty.

Try thinking first.

silly enough that you cant present your evidence in your own terms... tsk... way nada kig lalis nimo oi... puro lang ka mga cut & paste... anyway we'll just wait... i dont believe we have a falling birth rate... kung naa man gani... nganu ni taas man atong population... ni gamay ang nanganak kay nakasabot naman sila nga lisud gyud kung daghan bata... uban dili kakaun... dili kaeskwela...

sho, ang kataw-anan ining mannyamador mao ang sigi niyag ibalik-balik og sulti nga "no one has shown that overpopulation causes poverty" nga by the very word itself "overpopulation", naa'y gi-imply nga population is over and above something else. Ang gibasihan sa mga tawo mao ang either food supply o living space.

Mao bitaw na kon mo-ingon ang tawo nga "over-eating", pasabot ana kay mi-sobra ang usa ka tawo sa normal nga kaon. Buang-buang tingali ni si mannyamador oy. Sigi la'g ininglis unya dili diay to kasabot og simple English.

Pun-an pa gyud og wala man juy tawo dinhi nga gasulti nga "overpopulation causes poverty." Ang kasagaran man sa mga tawo mo ingon nga "overpopulation makes solving poverty more difficult." Mao man ang gipanulti sa daghang mga experts.

Sho, samok bitaw jud makiglalis sa mga parehas anag batasan ni mannyamador kay tagaan to nimo siyag explanation sa imong gisulti masuko man unya manginsulto.

opinyon ra ni nako, pero sa akong tan-aw, kulang si mannyamador og kulata.

[migzz]

hahaha... kalma lang boss... season pas greetings biya ron hehehe

[mannyamador]

silly enough that you cant present your evidence in your own terms..

I already did. It seems you haven't been reading the past 10 pages of this thread. Try doing that first and you will look less ignorant.

You, on the other hand, have not been able to present any evidence of a causal link between population growth and poverty. And yet you continue to insist that population growth will cause it!

[migzz]

ive read ur past post... all are from someone's article cut and paste... its not only overpopulation that causes poverty... but its one of them... ok

greed, injustice, bad management of resources plus overpopulation---->no place to cultivate---->poverty

there u have it... linked

gets? maybe u havent been to china? philippines? maybe u should go around and see it for urself...

[mannyamador]

ive read ur past post... all are from someone's article cut and paste... its not only overpopulation that causes poverty... but its one of them... ok

Prove it, OK? So far, you HAVEN'T. You're just ASSUMING it does.

As I have proven before, study after study has shown that there is NO link between poverty and population. But there IS a link between bad governnance and poverty. The numbers don't lie. But unsubstantiated assumptions are the biggest lies oif all.

Any yahoo can make a claim. Proving it is another thing altogether. Do you know what a CAUSAL link is? Find out and prove one exists. So far, you haven't.

[yataoy]

ive read ur past post... all are from someone's article cut and paste... its not only overpopulation that causes poverty... but its one of them... ok

Prove it, OK? So far, you HAVEN'T. You're just ASSUMING it does.

As I have proven before, study after study has shown that there is NO link between poverty and population. But there IS a link between bad governnance and poverty. The numbers don't lie. But unsubstantiated assumptions are the biggest lies oif all.

there is a link oy!

example A: kon ang income sa pamilya 100,000 pesos kada bulan, unya naay amahan, inahan, og duha ka bata, sa ato pa, 4 ka tawo ang pamilya, ang "per capita" income sa pamilya mao'y 25,000 per month!

example B: kon ang income sa pamilya mao'y 6,000 pesos kada bulan unya naay amahan, inahan, unya 10 ka bata, ang "per capita income sa pamilya mao'y 500 per month!


mannyamador, which one is richer? A or B? who is poorer? A or B?

Ayaw mi ingni nga "there is no link between poverty and population" kay klaro man kaayo! Ang per capita income sa example B pwerteng gamaya!

Nganoy suko man kaayo ka? Sigi'g bagutbot oy!

Oplok man diay ka!

You are the liar! Kay hangtod karon, dili ka mo-angkon nga naay link ang population sa poverty. example A versus example B? Asa'y mas pobre beh?


Pildi si mannyamador oy! :mrgreen:

[mannyamador]

example A: kon ang income sa pamilya 100,000 pesos kada bulan, unya naay amahan, inahan, og duha ka bata, sa ato pa, 4 ka tawo ang pamilya, ang "per capita" income sa pamilya mao'y 25,000 per month!

WRONG AGAIN.

It's always tempting to make a simplistic assumption that the difficulties of raising many children translate into poverty for a NATION. But that is precisely what is NOT shown by the evidence.

You seem to forget that when you aggregate people together, you have economies of scale, which is not as clear in small groups like a single family (or even several families). Aggregated groups result in mass production and mass markets. They also result in more efficient distribution of resources such as power, water, communications, data, health services, etc.

Ultimately, what you have is production which is greater than the simple sum of what persons could have generated on their own. That is how the indsutrial revolution camem about: when people gathered en masse into cities. Mass production is impossible without high population densities. Sustaining it without population growth is also difficult.

Your simplistic math is a total failure. Were you asleep when they taught Econiomics 101 in school?

By the way, as the moderators have stated, the primary language in these discussion threads is ENGLISH. I don't spoeak Cebuano. So unless you just want to discuss with OTHER people (and not me), please post in ENGLISH.